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Massive Chinese Armored Police Convoy Mobilizing Towards Hong Kong, Beijing Based Military Expert Says It's Only For Drills
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Don't Xi and Deng have beef?
I know he's dead so I guess I mean had ha
This is misleading. Shenzhen is on the legal border with Hong Kong, it's just that lots of that is thinly populated areas in the New Territories. China isn't legally allowed to roll their military into any of that. The main city is a further distance, but Tai Po and Lam Tsuen are Hong Kong as well.
Xi is a egocentric little man who doesn't want to rule under a dead man's shadow.
Yeah... removing term limits and this little nugget in Wikipedia seem instructive
There is going to be a lot of dead people in Hong Kong soon.
By doing nothing. Most of the global economy is dependent on China in some way. They can murder millions and the rest of the world won't do a thing.
By doing nothing. Most of the global economy is dependent on China in some way. They can murder millions and the rest of the world won't do a thing.
That may be true, but how long do you think Xi Jinping will let Hong Kong remain "separate"?
Your post honestly reads like virtue signaling to your chinese overlords.
"This was discredited. BTW, I definitely have connections, so anyone in the chinese government reading this.... give me points"
You're forgetting power to evict anyone they want to build their infrastructure. Power to set low environment and pollution standards. And power to prosecute any opposition to said powers.
You're not getting something like the Pearl River delta industrial hub built without breaking some eggs.
This is specifically allowed. Democratic grassroots. Leaders at the top are promoted via meritocracy. Say what you want about Xi, but the dude is anything but in-competent.
Also add rampant intellectual property theft and exploitation of its population for low cost labor (which has helped bring a lot of people from the rural areas out of poverty, so not all bad).
Civilization 5, arguably the best civ although I've not got the newest expansion for 6 yet.
It's in their best interest to keep the status quo. A relatively independent Hong Kong is more useful to China economically. Also a lot of party members have investment in Hong Kong or have their family member move money through Hong Kong to hide corruption. So it's also in the party leaders' personal interest to keep it this way.
For HK:
In an fully autonomous system they're responsible for their own shortcomings. If you think they'll solve all their problems then I have an island to sell you. Protests, discontent, etc will still happen. Nothing is better than keeping (or lack of) momentum than democracy, so the people will be satisfied with their un-satisfaction.
Semi-autonomous system: Blame mainland for all their problems, regardless of the actual cause.
Mainland system: Loss of personal freedoms and rights. Some fundamental economic and social problems will be solved via democratic centralism. People are unhappy because they can't exercise free speech on the web and they lose access to social media and porn.
In an fully autonomous system they're responsible for their own shortcomings. If you think they'll solve all their problems then I have an island to sell you. Protests, discontent, etc will still happen. Nothing is better than keeping (or lack of) momentum than democracy, so the people will be satisfied with their un-satisfaction.
Semi-autonomous system: Blame mainland for all their problems, regardless of the actual cause.
Mainland system: Loss of personal freedoms and rights. Some fundamental economic and social problems will be solved via democratic centralism. People are unhappy because they can't exercise free speech on the web and they lose access to social media and porn.
This is a flawed argument that authoritarianism is necessary for pollution is necessary for growth. Saying "a specific event in history that happened would not have happened if history was different" is about as weak a claim as you can make. I don't even understand what you're arguing at this point.
It won't be literal paradise, so better to just take those police beatings and give up your rights. Right. I'm out.
You've got this totally backwards. I am very in favor of the protesters. I was there a few months ago and very nearly flew back to protest myself.
Maybe dig for some fucking context before accusing people of being in the pockets of the CCP.
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Can you post a source or message me as to why this is fake so I can amend? I haven't see it debunked yet.
This article sucks a lot but it does discuss the fake "Tanks in Shenzhen" story from last week that turned out to be untrue: https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/11/asia/hong-kong-fake-news-intl-hnk/index.html
I still don't know if this current story is fake, by the way. I'm just pointing out that a story a lot like it came up before and was fake.
Yeah I'm aware, I just mean that it could have a political impact over time. The CCP does intervene though to suppress unwanted politicians by hiring thugs.
In mainland? They place any disgraced politician under house arrest. Not sure if they ever hired thugs in the mainland for political control purposes.
This is Chinese state media -
FWIW I think this is more to the Chinese domestic audience, to say - "look, we stand for security, law and order, unlike those Democracy crazy people, they only bring chaos" which Chinese media has been leaning super heavily into.
I kinda doubt that if Beijing decides to roll in with the tanks they're gonna make a video about it beforehand, and generally, if you look at history, you need to look less for tanks and more for signs that they kick out journalists and shut down media access. Thankfully, neither of those things happened so far.
Disregard my previous comment then. Hopefully nothing comes of this. For the reasons you've mentioned I'm inclined to think that this is not an indicator that the CCP will be rolling tanks across the border, at least not yet. But I'm afraid to underestimate them. We should all be concerned.
Updated: Confirmed movement after speculation that story is fake
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I have done further research into the matter and have come up with one additional source from the New York Times on the matter. Even pro-communist tabloid Global Times has reported this.
I'm going to give it the seal of approval.
Yeah, that's about as legit as it gets. This is also a great article with some truly stunning photos - thanks for posting.
I don't think anyone can really do much aside from banding together to enact sanctions, and Trump deep sixed the chances of that happening a long time ago.
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Thanks for questioning the validity! It's always important to double, even triple check, the legitimacy of news stories in this day and age!
People get beat up at train stations for being suspected of going to "shangfang", petitioning higher level of government for local issues.
As bad as the central government seems, the local government in China is ten times worse. Basically government sanctioned thugs.
To clarify I thought you were referring to hiring the mafia / gangsters to do its bidding.
Yeah. The local government in China can be literally one step away from mafia. 10 years ago there used to be these common, huge and violent protests against local governments due corruption / abuses. It's gotten better under Xi as he cleaned up a lot of it via the grafts.
Damn that terrifying but I'm surprised nothing happened sooner China doesn't just sorta kinda take control of a territory. I remember being horrified learning HK was returning to China. Growing up I had no idea
When the tanks come rolling in, there will be bloodshed. Just like Tiananmen.
1. It'll not be tanks, but APCs.
2. The PLA units will be under command of the HK Police.
3. China has handled massive protests after 1989 without bloodshed.
It's technically the People's Armed Police not the army. Chinese police force is generally unarmed and not trained for riot control. So there is a separate unit for that. they are probably less militarized than some random PD in West Virginia. If that makes you feel better.
That gap between the two circles is part of Hong Kong. That Pin is just downtown.
Unless I'm missing sarcasm, this is a bit of a weird take, as the UK had a 100-year lease and weren't allowed to keep the territory after the lease was up.
Trump has specifically stated that there's nothing wrong with how they're handling Hong Kong, though. The tariff stuff is totally separate.
Trump has flat out spoken in favor of how China reacted with the Tiananmen Square massacre. He said it was how a strong Government reacts etc.
That is super misleading.
Shenzhen is literally on the border with HK.
You can see the border on Google maps, which the image above fails to highlight.
Yup, but they wouldn't have been economically viable by themselves.
If anyone is interested why the UK ended up giving HK control back to China, look into how Margaret Thatcher dealt with it during her time as prime minister.
Lets not kid ourselves, many middleclass Chinese are perfectly fine with this themselves.
I know the tariffs are totally separate. I'm saying there isn't much more the US is going to go in economically against them, if they wanted to on this, because of what they're already doing.
A lease with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. The UK was under no obligation to honour treaties written almost two centuries ago with an entirely different regime. HK was a gift from the UK to a regime who never ruled HK without any input from Hongkongers.
