Or maybe you see Halo Infinite is totally different on Series X and you want this version :)
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Matt Booty (Xbox): Our titles for the next year or two will not be next gen exclusive
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Or maybe you see Halo Infinite is totally different on Series X and you want this version :)
Graphics largely aren't what will be impacted though. Jaguar was shit even when the XBO and PS4 first released. The CPU's in the next gen systems will allow for much more impressive A.I in games, more realistic physics systems, larger and more interactive/destructible environments and so on. But if devs are forced to design games with Jaguar in mind, then devs can't push those aspects anywhere near as much. ShaiKhulud's post here goes into much more detail on this.
When PlayStation devs are taking advantage of that for the first two years of the generation and Xbox devs aren't, it's going to be a rough comparison.
Why would it be totally different if it is made with vanilla Xbox as a baseline? I can live with 1080p version with some graphical effects pulled back.
Because Halo Infinite will take the full advantage of Series X.
Like Hellblade 2 and all XGS games.
Yes but like, what? The stuff bottlenecked by CPU and spinning drives will largely be same, and I can live with 1080p version with less sparks and reflections.
This idea seems very distant from how consoles normally worked in the past. How exactly are they going to signify that newer games are not going to work on older consoles? Are they going to introduce different looking boxes in 2021? What about the third party developers - will they be required to scale games so they work on X and S? If not, how will this be communicated to the buyer?
Maybe they are going to do something similar to PC games where all games are classified as "Xbox" and then you will have to check compatibility on the back of the box or in the description in the digital store. If so, this will be very confusing to a lot of people.
Maybe they are going to do something similar to PC games where all games are classified as "Xbox" and then you will have to check compatibility on the back of the box or in the description in the digital store. If so, this will be very confusing to a lot of people.
Based on what they have said, this is literally impossible.
Also Hellblade 2 is almost definitely 2022+ and actually is being developed to take full advantage of the hardware.
Cross posting from the next gen thread, I think this is just the natural result of releasing games for the base platforms they started development on.
MS first party games releasing in 2020, started development in latest 2017 at the latest. Scarlett might not have been finalized back then to have SSD.
Cross-gen games only for launch and up to a year into the lifecycle, is not as scary as the cross-gen games forever timeline rumored early.
MS first party games releasing in 2020, started development in latest 2017 at the latest. Scarlett might not have been finalized back then to have SSD.
Cross-gen games only for launch and up to a year into the lifecycle, is not as scary as the cross-gen games forever timeline rumored early.
I feel like we already knew this, its not a big deal and probably not worth 19 pages? Realistically most games in year 1/2 probably started development on XB1 and all their games are on PC, SOT runs on very low settings and MS just want you in their ecosystem, they dont care about where you're in it. 40-50m XB1s still in use as well so... makes sense to use them to make extra $, you'll have a harder time selling Game Pass if you stop releasing new games in it
Im sure they'll say somewhere on the box "not compatible with Xbox One/S/X" when the time is right, which will also be listed on website pages etc, not really hard to get around
Im sure they'll say somewhere on the box "not compatible with Xbox One/S/X" when the time is right, which will also be listed on website pages etc, not really hard to get around
This is like the opposite of distant. Thats how it was all the time.
I totally agree with the 360, but you were jumping from an intel Pentium cpu with nvidia graphics to a custom IBM chip and AMD gpu.
This gen is literally a pc upgrade with a few extra tweaks (hopefully)
From a very shit cpu to hopefully a decent one.
If develops handle it right you will see a pretty significant jump in lod and performance over the previous gen.
You can think what you want and say self victimisation but the page counts and posts literally speak for themselves. You do you and choose what you want to see and believe.
this decision only makes sense if they phase out all Xbox One SKUs once Series X arrives.
Yeah, maybe I am overthinking it. For some reason, I assumed a single SKU that works differently on different consoles, PC-style. Maybe all they are saying is that new Xbox Series X games will have their equivalents on the Xbox one store. If so, this is indeed nothing new for new consoles, except that it was fairly typical for first-party developers to release one-two show off titles exclusive to new platforms.
But Matt said Halo Infinite will take full advantage of XSX.
Unsure though I can see how they'd get around this tech issue by taking a BC style approach
Two versions of Halo, one for current and one for next gen. when you buy one you technically own both.
Xbox One version has lower quality geometry, AI and generally less advanced code. Comes on a disc or download.
XSX comes on disc, makes use of the higher quality assets, geometry and is able to render more using the advanced SOC. Also available as a download. If you own the disc for HI, you can download the XSX version and play it as long as that disc is in the system OR if you own the One version digitally.
Both games use the same multiplayer design which shouldn't be as wild as the core game technically anyhow. It'll just look less amazing on One. I can see it happening.
nope, since it's an Xbox One game it technically can't fully exploit the Series X. The game's whole design had to be made with thelimitations of the One S in mind. It could have been an entirely different game if a 12 TF console with 16 GB RAM was the baseline and not a 1,4 TF one with 4 GB. That we even need to argue about that is crazy enough.
What else was he supposed to say?
Do the games just stay in the xbox one box for the next 12 to 24 months with a sticker saying plays best on series x.....
..then they transition to a new xbox box and those games dont appear on the s or x digital store.
So you are convinced that day one ps5 launch exclusives will be using the full power of the ps5?
Well yeah, if Matt said something good and can't be twisted, we shouldn't trust even a single word, if he said something informative but we can twist to make it sound bad, we should 100% trust and spread it asap.
Given 30 years of consoles showed that devs always need time to learn how to do that: No. But what I'm convinced of is that games like the next Gran Turismo won't be made with the OG PS4 in mind, and the difference will be significant.
The PS5 is using the same architecture as the PS4. That should really help to diminish the usual transitional period of a system launch when devs have to learn how to take full advantage of the hardware. They won't be using everything to its fullest potential right out of the gate obviously, but more than enough to have a big leg up on Xbox first party games (again, in terms of stuff like A.I, physics systems, world destruction and interactivity, etc.)
Designing two versions of the game would be such a waste of resources, and would still hold back the Xbox Series X version to an extent by virtue of the games needing to be mechanically identical so that crossplay can work.
That's true, but I don't think Halo Infinite will be the same case unless the MP is completely split between two versions.
Only time will tell, but this IS the first gen change with Game Pass and X Cloud
Maybe they will always fear being "anti-consumer" as mentioned in this thread a lot. Since a lot of their fanbase have already warmed up to the idea.
We all have our opinions, but I'd hate to say I told you so.
So the forza that may launch this year maybe based on an engine that can scale...as they've done it for over 3 games now.
Didnt like 3 forza games come out when one gen turismo came out.
Anyway I'm not going to argue as I just enjoy games, I actually hope theres some game that blows my mind that I genuinely feel it couldnt be done on the ps4 or xbox.
The big issue we have is the ps pro and one x launched this gen that never happened before. I just think anyone who expects a huge leap out the gate when compared to those two systems is going to be massively disappointed. It doesnt matter which platforms approach you feel is better.
I don't think TW3 would run because ram was very low last gen. This time the upgrade won't be as big, apparently.
I would generally say open world games because of ram.
Mind: scaling has a limit. The question is how fast we'll reach that limit and how much you have to compromise. Additionally the question is whether games will be built for One family and then get their settings tuned to the max or if it is the opposite direction.
Third Party devs can do what they want. Matt Booty, who is the head of Xbox Game Studios, is just talking about their first party lineup.
Anyway the reason they are doing this is because xCloud will still be using Xbox Ones in their datacenters until they can roll out the new hardware, which will take a year or so. When the new next gen hardware comes online for their streaming platform they will be able to stream newer games to outdated consoles like the Xbox One.
Therefore I suspect at retail, the box will just say "Xbox". It will have a bullet point on it for Xbox One if it needs to be streamed, It will say something like, requires to be streamed or whatever.
They did something similar with Xbox 360 / Xbox One games. On the box it said something like requires internet for the game to be downloaded on xbox one.
Example https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/7y2awa/question_is_there_anymore_360_games_that_are_in/
we are not talking day one though ? more like 1-2 years if the quote is accurate after launch.
I'm convinced that day one/year one titles won't use the plataform as late gen titles like always happened.
I'm also convinced that day one /year one next gen only titles will be games that are far ahead of last gen ones like always happened.
fair enough. Technically, in specific scenes Halo Infinite could look completely different compared to the game on Xbox One. Add native 4K, ultra high res textures, shadows etc. and RT of course et voila, you get something which looks truly "next gen". The bar here is - as you said - set by the Xbox One X however which already does all that already with the exception of RT.
It is my impression that the much faster CPU and the SSD are supposed to enable devs to come up with completely new experiences on next gen consoles, be it in terms of AI or sheer scale, which is an important reason d'etre for a console like Lockhart. Which devs technically can't do if they always have to keep in mind the limitations of baseline SKUs with CPUs which were considered "low end" even 7 years ago.
Lol, you don't think the next Forza will have the Series X in mind? We just went through a whole generation where the PS4 only received one Gran Turismo game. When do we expect the next Gran Tursimo to come out so we can once again compare each game and see which takes the most advantage of each hardware? Sony also had great games like Driveclub which never came out on the PC like Forza Horizon did that made the game 60fps. So I am not convinced at all that Sony will be leading with what is possible when Microsoft also supports the PC.
We also know the PS4 will still be getting new games for at least a year or two as well. So this whole phase in period is going to take place no matter what anyways.
There's nothing anti-consumer about it at that point. They're not cutting people off at the beginning of the next console cycle. It's 2-3 years into it at that point when plenty of people will have upgraded by then. There's no way in hell MS is going through an entire generation without one single XSX exclusive. It isn't happening so you don't have to worry about that I told you so.
of course it will have the Series X in mind. Just like it has to have the Xbox One S in mind. Correct?
If you want to ignore the rest of my comment then If the game is good then that's all that matters, correct?
Yeah, the argumentation about the need to make things compatible with xCloud is pretty compelling. Also - I completely forgot that they made these boxes back then.
I really don't know what to fell about this and the possibility for Sony to not attend E3. It's like E3 this year is like a wedding ceremony and either the bride or groom (here Sony) and thus its whole family won't be there and the family members of the bride/groom who is making a individual wedding won't have his family coming to the wedding (here the next-gen games).
So in sum a wedding ceremony with one person which is the groom or bride only.
Does that sound right?
So in sum a wedding ceremony with one person which is the groom or bride only.
Does that sound right?
No they didn't.
Even at launch they had exclusives like Forza and Ryse and 3rd party ones like Dead Rising 3. Then Killer Instinct, Crimson Dragon, D3... Only after launch they had some 360 downports but Titanfall was EA's Tomb Raider was SE's, you basically had Forza Horizon 2 as cross gen first party and not much else.
One thing that I think is important to mention — even if MS doesn't have XSX exclusives in the first year, they can still show XSX exclusives for 2022+ at E3.
Would give people even more reason to wait with the purchase and buy the system at a discounted price in 2022+. No exclusives, no need to buy as I can play all new games on current hardware (unless better graphic required), great exclusives coming in 2+ years. Why should people pay 400-600 (guess) for a new hardware if there is no immediate need?
Not a Good way trying to shift as many systems as possible at the start of a new gen, but as I said earlier, MS seems to be focusing on selling games/ services rather than hardware.
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