McConnell blocks attempt to make full Mueller report public

skillzilla81

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,343
Frankly, this just seems like he's playing a game. Something tells me the contents of the report aren't going to change anything, and this move is punting the suspense of the media down field to make sure that the "Trump is Innocent" narrative continues closer to the elections in 2020.
If this had nothing in it, wouldn't it make more sense for them to release it so that Trump's bash the media tour actually had evidence behind it? If it actually had nothing, it would be the biggest FU to everybody. They'd WANT you to see it so that they could point at this whenever anything comes up.

They're going to try and do that now, because they're corrupt and evil, but it would actually mean something if they weren't trying to hide everything.
 

Cornelius

Member
Jan 3, 2018
881
hey, don't slander turtles. He's one of those changelings from DS9 if anything.
This is too accurate. He has some twisted sense of predestined impetus which repeatedly leads him to engage in acts that are increasingly destructive to governance. He and Trump are changelings and the republicans are Jem'Hadar. Very apt comparison.
 

Replicant

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,782
MN
The report probably isn’t hiding anything we don’t already know. People expecting them hiding a major crime will be severely disappointed when it does leak or come out.

They are blocking it because they can. They are going to run on the fact the media and democrats are “liars”
 

The Silver

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,918
If this had nothing in it, wouldn't it make more sense for them to release it so that Trump's bash the media tour actually had evidence behind it? If it actually had nothing, it would be the biggest FU to everybody. They'd WANT you to see it so that they could point at this whenever anything comes up.

They're going to try and do that now, because they're corrupt and evil, but it would actually mean something if they weren't trying to hide everything.
Even if it had something in it I'd still want it released if I was a republican. Right now they are in a very very strong position, nearly complete control of the narrative that Trump has been exonerated. Collusion is off the table and obstruction does not have nearly as much weight as it would have if collusion had occurred. They can ride out obstruction with claims of witch hunt and how it doesn't matter since #nocollusion. Any embarrassing stuff that makes Trump look stupid can be brushed off like everything else that makes him look idiotic. Rip off the bandaid now.

That's provided that there isn't really really bad shit in there but personally I find that unlikely.
 

NullPointer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,612
Mars
A lot of people here have been too quick to say we need to move past the report
Yup. I'll let it go once I see some evidence that provides a reasonable narrative for the craziness we've all witnessed these past years regarding Russia and Trump's team of flunkies.

There has been so much damn smoke, and even casualties from that smoke, that I'm going to need a bit more than somebody who doesn't believe in fire just shrugging their shoulders and shouting NOPE.

If at the end of all this, the report is supposed to exonerate Trump and his campaign, then by all means, shine some real light upon it. Let it be definitive. As it is, I still don't know which of the various narratives out there actually matches the facts that have been gathered. Collapse the damn waveform already.
 

The Silver

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,918
Yup. I'll let it go once I see some evidence that provides a reasonable narrative for the craziness we've all witnessed these past years regarding Russia and Trump's team of flunkies.

There has been so much damn smoke, and even casualties from that smoke, that I'm going to need a bit more than somebody who doesn't believe in fire just shrugging their shoulders and shouting NOPE.

If at the end of all this, the report is supposed to exonerate Trump and his campaign, then by all means, shine some real light upon it. Let it be definitive. As it is, I still don't know which of the various narratives out there actually matches the facts that have been gathered. Collapse the damn waveform already.
The thing is all the smoke in the world doesn't matter if you can't prove it's a fire. The real truth might never be known, there may always be doubt, but if you can't prove anything in the eye of the law, you can't do anything.
 

Sho_Nuff82

Member
Nov 14, 2017
11,758
The report probably isn’t hiding anything we don’t already know. People expecting them hiding a major crime will be severely disappointed when it does leak or come out.

They are blocking it because they can. They are going to run on the fact the media and democrats are “liars”
More than likely, the report lays out every rotten thing that Mueller dug up over the past two years, Russian or otherwise, in painstaking detail and asks "is this y'all King?" Including Guccifer's contacts with Wikileaks, Stone's full contracts with Wikileaks, Manafort's contacts and polling data exchange with Kilimnik and Deripaska, a treasure trove on the lies surrounding Trump Tower Moscow, Cohen and Manafort working on Ukraine "peace" deals, everything involved with Cambridge Analytica and Facebook, and the president's role in crafting numerous public misstatements, campaign finance violations, subornation of perjury, and floating pardons both publicly and privately.

Imagine the Hillary Clinton roasting by Comey, x10, all pointing towards a singular conclusion that the special counsel didn't have quite enough evidence to press towards in court, because all of the witnesses are themselves criminals.

That's what I imagine is in the report. Nothing new compared to what the breaking press keeps us abreast of, but it probably isn't "no collusion" in 45 point font printed over and over for 200 pages.
 

NullPointer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,612
Mars
The thing is all the smoke in the world doesn't matter if you can't prove it's a fire. The real truth might never be known, there may always be doubt, but if you can't prove anything in the eye of the law, you can't do anything.
How about a reasonable explanation for why it wasn't a fire but walked, talked, and quacked like it was? Can we get any glimpses into exculpatory evidence, even in general terms?

If we never get any illuminating details, then we're still left to believe whatever we personally think makes the most sense. For some that's purely a lack of a final smoking gun to cement a circumstantial case, for others its a failed deep state coup, and all kinds of other takes -- wherever the wind takes you, really.

So while I understand there are people out there resigned to the idea that "Trump didn't do it", we're still left with zero insight as to how exactly we came to this and exactly where any mistakes were made.
 

Hours Left

Member
Oct 26, 2017
14,284
Just skip straight to subpoenas. Republicans are evil shit lords. They’ll never do what’s in the best interest.
 

SaintBowWow

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,417
Frankly, this just seems like he's playing a game. Something tells me the contents of the report aren't going to change anything, and this move is punting the suspense of the media down field to make sure that the "Trump is Innocent" narrative continues closer to the elections in 2020.
I think this is the strategy too. It's likely that there's bad news for Trump in the report that McConnell would prefer to keep under wraps, but we know the report says there isn't proof of collusion. The longer the process of getting the full report out drags on the more time there is to spin the requests for transparency as Dems claiming that Barr is lying and the report does say there's collusion. Then when the report does get released and still says no collusion the GOP gets to do round 2 of the gloating.
 

VariantX

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,497
Columbia, SC
Voting McConnell out would do a lot more good for us in the long run. This dude seems to be the at the root of every bit of BS that keeps happening in on Capital Hill.
 

Seik

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,366
Québec City
GOP: Trump clear, put media on blast, witch hunt all along.

People: We'd like to see the report, please.

GOP:
 

VinylCassette64

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
1,501
No surprise there. It doesn't help that there's a movement demanding people to completely forget about the report and "move on" when the dust hasn't even settled on Barr's summary, let alone before we've even seen Mueller's actual report as it is. If McConnell and company are seriously going out of their way to block its release I can only hope someone leaks it in a way that completely blindsides them.

Who knew turtles could move so fast?
lmao
 
Oct 26, 2017
10,495
UK
A technically good move to keep the conspiracy theories alive
Yeah, this is a win/win play by McConnell. Either he's legitimately trying to hide something or (more likely) it's just going to make liberal media/dems more paranoid as they beg for a report that doesn't contain enough to be incriminating. There's no reason for them to release the thing straight away.
 

Finalrush

Member
Dec 7, 2017
724
Yeah, this is a win/win play by McConnell. Either he's legitimately trying to hide something or (more likely) it's just going to make liberal media/dems more paranoid as they beg for a report that doesn't contain enough to be incriminating. There's no reason for them to release the thing straight away.
Either way it has obstruction evidence that isn't public, we know that from the summary. That alone is important to have.
 

BeforeU

Banned for use of alt account
Banned
Oct 30, 2017
1,936
this is all a fucking joke ...a few weeks later it will probably be leaked and it won't have anything substantial. And the cycle continue.
 

L.E.D.

Member
Oct 27, 2017
614
The other thread had people convinced this report was going to be seen by everyone, and they were wrong. This is a cover up by a guy who does cover ups. Surprise!
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,119
You're putting way more thought into this than Trump or McConnell are. They just want to make sure this doesn't see the light of day because they think it might have some damning shit in there.
McConnell is evil, not an idiot. He knows this report will come out before the election. If it were damning, you release now to rip the bandaid off while proclaiming all is fine. That’s how you weather that storm. You want to face it now so that it’s dissipated by the election.

So I’d say the report doesn’t add much we don’t already know. The other poster is correct. Drag it out and show it closer to election so that you can ride the wave of positivity for longer.
 

Sinfamy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,724
It's a carrot and stick.
Democrats are going to fall for it, waste their energy and time, all while the general public doesn't care.
 

Toth

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,251
Honestly, this shady bs has cast a lot of negative light on Trump's 'win' and while his cult is bound to stick with him even if he killed someone, the swing voters and democrats are energized to vote them all out.
 

Shroki

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,288
Really? His a POS but that is just horrible.
I'm not going to actively wish death on anyone, but I'll say this: I celebrated the day Antonin Scalia died, and I'll celebrate the day Mitch McConnell dies.

These are evil, evil men and America is a better place if they were never born.
 

Shroki

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,288
McConnell is evil, not an idiot. He knows this report will come out before the election. If it were damning, you release now to rip the bandaid off while proclaiming all is fine. That’s how you weather that storm. You want to face it now so that it’s dissipated by the election.

So I’d say the report doesn’t add much we don’t already know. The other poster is correct. Drag it out and show it closer to election so that you can ride the wave of positivity for longer.
The election isn't for another 21 months. If it comes out, it will come out in the next handful of months - not be a wave for them to ride to November 2020.

Far more likely is that Barr's summary took a tone that the Mueller report did not and the Mueller's report contains evidence that, while not compelling enough to recommend indictment, does not help Trump's position of "total exoneration". Only a handful of people have access to this thing and there are few if any legal mechanisms to make it public, I don't doubt McConnell feels it's in the parties best interest to prevent it from becoming public and damage Trump's narrative.
 

Jon Carter

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,211
Pretty amazing that this is apparently an OK thing to say on this site about anyone.
I don't think it's considered O.K. I would assume if people reported the post, mods would have to act, but if nobody does, they can just look the other way. The moderation is biased and inconsistent but McConnell is a real piece of shit.
 

Method

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,274
I hate McConnell just as much as the rest of you but we only need 4 Republicans to vote with the democrats/independents to get a new senate majority leader. 4. That's it.

They won't do it because all these Republican senator's know McConnell is taking the heat for them. Instead of putting a vote on their record on major issues, they can just say "well we never had a chance to vote!" Fuck them all.