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Oct 26, 2017
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I do wonder why pubs/devs more often then not target PS4/Xbox over Switch for basically all their releases. Targeting Switch the cost of development is much lower. The time it takes to develop titles if far lower. The Switch is proving to be able to sell software in huge numbers and yet there is really zero high budget, exclusive titles from major third parties with some outright completely ignoring it as a platform (EA).

I mean it seems like stupidity at this point or that simply they do not know how to make / market a game that appeals to the audience on Switch (even though plenty of indies are doing this no problem). Kind of an absurd situation

Probably because they want their game to look cutting edge and porting up from Switch doesn't really allow that.

Series that don't rely on graphics would probably want to upport from Switch except they already have an entry on PS4 and can't go backwards graphically (like maybe Call of Duty or stuff like that).
 

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The theory for this new 2D Zelda is that it will have a single player and co-op campaign... will be curious to see how that impacts the series. Spirit Tracks and ALBW did super meh worldwide (don't remember how well Spirit Tracks did in Japan).

Knowing Aonuma and Shikata, "2D" Zelda could be anything really. The way ALBW looked probably didn't do it any favours so I am sure they'll take that into account.
 

MysticGon

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Oct 31, 2017
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I do wonder why pubs/devs more often then not target PS4/Xbox over Switch for basically all their releases. Targeting Switch the cost of development is much lower. The time it takes to develop titles if far lower. The Switch is proving to be able to sell software in huge numbers and yet there is really zero high budget, exclusive titles from major third parties with some outright completely ignoring it as a platform (EA).

I mean it seems like stupidity at this point or that simply they do not know how to make / market a game that appeals to the audience on Switch (even though plenty of indies are doing this no problem). Kind of an absurd situation

They probably are but aren't ready to announce anything yet. The Switch hasn't even been about 2 years yet and in the age of HD that's on the low end of development times.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
13,237
I didn't realize ALBW didn't do great. It was an amazing game, up there with ALttP. Now I'm sad.
 

Kerotan

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Oct 31, 2018
3,951
Holy shit 117k for the ps4! Huge numbers. I was starting to think it wouldn't have another week over 100k.

So with week 52 numbers it finished last year with 1.73m 60k down on the previous year so pretty much flat. Good performance.

DQB2 ps4 + switch had a good week. Bo4 over 500k and BFV will probably make 200k.

Ps vita 30k off 6m. It should make it.
 

Kouriozan

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Oct 25, 2017
21,121
I do wonder why pubs/devs more often then not target PS4/Xbox over Switch for basically all their releases. Targeting Switch the cost of development is much lower. The time it takes to develop titles if far lower. The Switch is proving to be able to sell software in huge numbers and yet there is really zero high budget, exclusive titles from major third parties with some outright completely ignoring it as a platform (EA).

I mean it seems like stupidity at this point or that simply they do not know how to make / market a game that appeals to the audience on Switch (even though plenty of indies are doing this no problem). Kind of an absurd situation
Games are so big nowadays it's already taking a long time to make them on PS4/Xbone/PC so I see why they can't make Switch downport.
Publishers seem to focus on graphics or cinematic experiences, so it's very West oriented and leaving the Japanese market being.
Now if you want to talk about stuff that was PS4/Vita before and now are absent on Switch, well it's their loss.
 

Zedark

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Oct 25, 2017
14,719
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So it's inevitable that Smash will become the top selling Switch game in Japan, right? Probably in the next several weeks?
Hoi should keep in mind that next week Smash could see a 75% drop or worse because of the holidays ending. Might take a couple of months to become no. 1 (or it could hold better than that and be an even bigger beast than it looks to be at this moment).
 
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
Who in the world is going to buy FF12 and FFX/FFX-2 in the same two weeks.

Though all three games are wildly different from each other.

But still

Feels like there could have been a two month break between the releases.

Hope this means FF7 is mid May or mid March.
 

Celine

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Oct 26, 2017
5,030
HW yearly sales recap since 2002 (Media Create)

2002:
PS2 - 3.407.781
GBA - 3.145.751
NGC - 1.130.346
XBX - 315.435
Total - 7.999.313

2003:
GBA - 3.804.463
PS2 - 3.240.045
NGC - 1.191.719
XBX - 105.717
Total - 8.341.944

2004:
PS2 - 2.898.774
GBA - 2.848.440
DS - 1.495.596
NGC - 726.640
PSP - 482.252
Xbox - 37.982
PS1 - 14.163
SC - 7.540
Total - 8.511.387

2005:
NDS - 4.151.361
PSP - 2.200.705
PS2 - 1.968.846
GBA - 1.136.758
NGC - 273.180
360 - 70.567
XBX - 12.017
Total - 9.813.434

2006:
NDS - 8.358.724
PSP - 1.849.174
PS2 - 1.450.237
WII - 919.643
PS3 - 457.557
GBA - 370.909
360 - 194.134
NGC - 75.879
XBX - 1.769
Total - 13.678.026

2007:
NDS - 7.167.372
Wii - 3.696.517
PSP - 3.069.465
PS3 - 1.184.118
PS2 - 772.178
360 - 242.639
GBA - 50.770
GC - 10.593
Total - 16.193.652

2008:
NDS - 3.946.585
PSP - 3.693.026
Wii - 2.862.818
PS3 - 980.797
PS2 - 472.489
360 - 322.097
Total - 12.277.812

2009:
NDS - 3.978.953
PSP - 2.248.171
Wii - 1.962.367
PS3 - 1.764.531
360 - 373.357
PS2 - 206.623
Total - 10.534.002

2010:
PSP - 2.907.424
NDS - 2.871.621
Wii - 1.674.438
PS3 - 1.586.122
360 - 210.826
PS2 - 85.919
Total - 9.336.350

2011:
3DS - 4.282.142
PSP - 2.079.152
PS3 - 1.548.895
Wii - 883.583
NDS - 657.787
PSV - 439.986
360 - 115.548
PS2 - 78.014
Total - 10.085.107

2012:
3DS - 5.497.737
PS3 - 1.223.699
PSP - 899.627
PSV - 690.839
WIU - 627.287
Wii - 475.615
360 - 77.789
NDS - 68.973
PS2 - 59.106
Total - 9.620.672

2013:
3DS - 4.882.040
PSV - 1.224.532
WIU - 898.143
PS3 - 849.590
PSP - 439.398
Wii - 72.082
360 - 25.482
Total - 8.391.267

2014:
3DS - 3.176.525
PSV - 1.168.570
PS4 - 970.667
WIU - 618.150
PS3 - 459.317
XBO - 43.267
PSP - 10.310
360 - 9.816
Total - 6.544.036

2015:
3DS - 2.347.554
PS4 - 1.330.410
PSV - 1.069.471
WIU - 877.082
PS3 - 219.103
XBO - 20.624
Total - 5.864.244

2016:
3DS - 1.974.743
PS4 - 1.799.586
PSV - 849.669
WIU - 292.546
PS3 - 61.688
XBO - 22.692
Total - 4.989.924

2017:
NSW - 3.312.619
PS4 - 1.791.736
3DS - 1.662.034
PSV - 344.813
PS3 - 20.203
WIU - 15.917
XBO - 12.852
Total - 7.160.174

2018:
NSW - 3.534.165
PS4 - 1.726.031
3DS - 535.810
PSV - 177.720
XBO - 16.287
Total - 5.990.013
 

Mr_F_Snowman

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Oct 27, 2017
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Probably because they want their game to look cutting edge and porting up from Switch doesn't really allow that.

Series that don't rely on graphics would probably want to upport from Switch except they already have an entry on PS4 and can't go backwards graphically (like maybe Call of Duty or stuff like that).

I understand for huge multiplats like COD etc but why are there virtually no high budget Switch exclusives? All we have seen in this area are really Octopath (not even really high budget and still likely a multi million seller) and Mario Vs Rabbids which has sold incredibly well. Apart from those two I'm struggling to think of anything
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Media Create Sales: CY 2018 (2018 Jan 01 - 2018 Dec 30)

HARDWARE
Code:
+-------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System |   This CY  |   Last CY  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  NSW  |  3.534.165 |  3.312.619 |   6.846.784 |
| PS4 # |  1.726.031 |  1.791.736 |   7.618.434 |
| 3DS # |    535.810 |  1.662.034 |  24.358.589 |
| PSV # |    177.720 |    344.813 |   5.965.600 |
| XB1 # |     16.287 |     12.852 |     104.723 |
+-------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  ALL  |  5.990.013 |  7.160.174 |  44.894.130 |
+-------+------------+------------+-------------+
| XB1 X |     11.237 |      2.174 |      13.411 |
|  XB1  |      5.050 |     10.678 |      91.312 |
|PS4 Pro|    478.916 |    409.495 |   1.019.222 |
|  PS4  |  1.247.115 |  1.382.241 |   6.599.212 |
|  PSV  |    177.720 |    344.813 |   5.780.149 |
|n-2DSLL|    334.010 |    556.358 |     890.368 |
|  2DS  |     34.733 |    205.614 |     528.956 |
|n-3DSLL|    167.067 |    844.878 |   4.839.941 |
+-------+------------+------------+-------------+
 
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
I understand for huge multiplats like COD etc but why are there virtually no high budget Switch exclusives? All we have seen in this area are really Octopath (not even really high budget and still likely a multi million seller) and Mario Vs Rabbids which has sold incredibly well. Apart from those two I'm struggling to think of anything

You can make a semi high budget Switch exclusive and get a bunch of hype due to exclusivity and sell like 3m and make a good bit of profit, but you probably want your AAA teams making games that can sell 5m or 10m or 25m.
 

Zedark

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Oct 25, 2017
14,719
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if single player Zelda does this well, open world Zelda with multiplayer would do bonkers

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Easy there, Satan.
 

Mr_F_Snowman

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Oct 27, 2017
3,881
You can make a semi high budget Switch exclusive and get a bunch of hype due to exclusivity and sell like 3m and make a good bit of profit, but you probably want your AAA teams making games that can sell 5m or 10m or 25m.

Seems like a far riskier strategy especially when every single dev/pub is doing the exact same thing and crowding out that marketplace
 
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
Seems like a far riskier strategy especially when every single dev/pub is doing the exact same thing and crowding out that marketplace

It's not that crowded because there's like 6 publishers that make AAA games anymore.

Like, Anthem and The Division are competing against Warframe and Destiny 2 but like... That's literally four total games, not a huge variety of options here.
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
10,213
Greece
Switch is gonna hit 2012 3DS levels easily this year. 5mil in one year is insane, but its doable. Animal Crossing, FE, and Pokemon in the same year, alongside god knows whet else for Japan is a troupe de force of selling power. Throw in a revision and then things get really crazy.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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damn, i wasn't paying attention to the numbers and didn't know mario party is about to become a million seller as well.
and smash and splatoon will be 3M+
and odyssey will be 2M+
switch software sales are just cuckoo bananas
 

MysticGon

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Member
Oct 31, 2017
7,285
HW yearly sales recap since 2002 (Media Create)

2002:
PS2 - 3.407.781
GBA - 3.145.751
NGC - 1.130.346
XBX - 315.435
Total - 7.999.313

2003:
GBA - 3.804.463
PS2 - 3.240.045
NGC - 1.191.719
XBX - 105.717
Total - 8.341.944

2004:
PS2 - 2.898.774
GBA - 2.848.440
DS - 1.495.596
NGC - 726.640
PSP - 482.252
Xbox - 37.982
PS1 - 14.163
SC - 7.540
Total - 8.511.387

2005:
NDS - 4.151.361
PSP - 2.200.705
PS2 - 1.968.846
GBA - 1.136.758
NGC - 273.180
360 - 70.567
XBX - 12.017
Total - 9.813.434

2006:
NDS - 8.358.724
PSP - 1.849.174
PS2 - 1.450.237
WII - 919.643
PS3 - 457.557
GBA - 370.909
360 - 194.134
NGC - 75.879
XBX - 1.769
Total - 13.678.026

2007:
NDS - 7.167.372
Wii - 3.696.517
PSP - 3.069.465
PS3 - 1.184.118
PS2 - 772.178
360 - 242.639
GBA - 50.770
GC - 10.593
Total - 16.193.652

2008:
NDS - 3.946.585
PSP - 3.693.026
Wii - 2.862.818
PS3 - 980.797
PS2 - 472.489
360 - 322.097
Total - 12.277.812

2009:
NDS - 3.978.953
PSP - 2.248.171
Wii - 1.962.367
PS3 - 1.764.531
360 - 373.357
PS2 - 206.623
Total - 10.534.002

2010:
PSP - 2.907.424
NDS - 2.871.621
Wii - 1.674.438
PS3 - 1.586.122
360 - 210.826
PS2 - 85.919
Total - 9.336.350

2011:
3DS - 4.282.142
PSP - 2.079.152
PS3 - 1.548.895
Wii - 883.583
NDS - 657.787
PSV - 439.986
360 - 115.548
PS2 - 78.014
Total - 10.085.107

2012:
3DS - 5.497.737
PS3 - 1.223.699
PSP - 899.627
PSV - 690.839
WIU - 627.287
Wii - 475.615
360 - 77.789
NDS - 68.973
PS2 - 59.106
Total - 9.620.672

2013:
3DS - 4.882.040
PSV - 1.224.532
WIU - 898.143
PS3 - 849.590
PSP - 439.398
Wii - 72.082
360 - 25.482
Total - 8.391.267

2014:
3DS - 3.176.525
PSV - 1.168.570
PS4 - 970.667
WIU - 618.150
PS3 - 459.317
XBO - 43.267
PSP - 10.310
360 - 9.816
Total - 6.544.036

2015:
3DS - 2.347.554
PS4 - 1.330.410
PSV - 1.069.471
WIU - 877.082
PS3 - 219.103
XBO - 20.624
Total - 5.864.244

2016:
3DS - 1.974.743
PS4 - 1.799.586
PSV - 849.669
WIU - 292.546
PS3 - 61.688
XBO - 22.692
Total - 4.989.924

2017:
NSW - 3.312.619
PS4 - 1.791.736
3DS - 1.662.034
PSV - 344.813
PS3 - 20.203
WIU - 15.917
XBO - 12.852
Total - 7.160.174

2018:
NSW - 3.534.165
PS4 - 1.726.031
3DS - 535.810
PSV - 177.720
XBO - 16.287
Total - 5.990.013

Something dramatic needs to happen to turn things around. A new Switch SKU launching alongside AC and Pokémon could do 2018's entire YTD had by the Switch itself.

Sony already has the new SKUs and nearly all the big releases. Their might not be much left in the tank so they might just be riding things out until next gen. But it's interesting to see Pro up YOY so that might be a path forward.
 
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In the end the hints from retailers for big Switch sales at week 1 were correct. Q4 2018 starts with much better prospects from Q4 2017. Maybe Nintendo won't even need other titles this quarter besibes Mario and Yoshi, Smash will do a lot of carrying.
 

schuelma

Member
Oct 24, 2017
5,901
In the end the hints from retailers for big Switch sales at week 1 were correct. Q4 2018 starts with much better prospects from Q4 2017. Maybe Nintendo won't even need other titles this quarter besibes Mario and Yoshi, Smash will do a lot of carrying.


Right. With Smash still hit and NSMB U, I think Q1 is significantly stronger. Last year Odyssey was released end of October and there was nothing of NSMB U's caliber until March with Kirby.
 

Fisico

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,106
Paris
HW yearly sales recap since 2002 (Media Create)

2018:
NSW - 3.534.165
PS4 - 1.726.031
3DS - 535.810
PSV - 177.720
XBO - 16.287
Total - 5.990.013

So... will the Switch be able to pick up the 500-800k of lost sales from other hardwares?
See you in Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2018 (Dec 23 - Dec 29) to learn about it.
 

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So the Switch is selling at GBA/PS2 levels. It's good but VERY far from 3DS and especially DS levels.

I can see the Switch selling 5 million this year with the Revision and the Pokemon/Animal Crossing impact.
 

Andromeda

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,846
So in 2018:
- PS4 down 3.7% YoY
- Switch up 6.7% YoY

Not much variation, and PS4 being basically flat from last year.
 

HPH

Member
Oct 25, 2017
449
Great start for 2019, PS4 and Switch with a very strong week 1! On another note, I wonder if Kirby Star Allies can reach 1 million sales in Japan without digital?
 

hussien-11

Member
Oct 27, 2017
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Historical performance for Super Smash Ultimate, its entering Monster Hunter/Pokemon/Dragon Quest's territory with being a potentially 4m+ seller in Japan. it seems like the game is going to ship more than 12m+ unit before January's end which is absolutely insane.

Super Mario Party is also very impressive, it was a very important release for Switch in 2018 and it was released at just the right time.

Keep in mind that the PS4 has been the primary platform for DQ games for the past few years. From Heroes to Builders to DQXI: If you are a big DQ fan, chances are you own a PS4. The same can't be said about Switch yet, which up to Builders 2 only received late ports released to little fanfare (and is still missing XI, the most important release of the bunch). Switch's appeal to a more general audience is definitely going to help DQ sales in the future, but right now, especially at launch when fans are buying titles, PS4 still has the edge. Gonna be interesting if Builders 2 is gonna have decent legs on Switch.

At the same time, DQ is strongly associated with Nintendo's brand in Japan. if you owned a Nintendo system before, there is a high chance that you bought DQ before in Japan.
 

Kerotan

Banned
Oct 31, 2018
3,951
Switch hardware numbers *up*? I thought the expectation for Week 1 was a drop?
Looks like comg indications were right.
The race to 8MM is on.
Who will win?!
Fourth highest week for PS4 in its life. Third if you exclude launch.

1. 309.154 (launch)
2. 140.145 (MHW launch)
3. 118.350 (FFXV launch)
4. 117.182
5. 109.287 (second week after MHW)
6. 100.238 (week 51 of 2016)
Wow it's the highest week ever outside of a major game launch and the ps4 launch. Just shows you the potential it still has if Sony cut the price like they could. But we all know they won't.
I'm sure PS4 will get another 100k spike for KH3, even if we're seeing a lower trajectory for FW.
Expecting over 100k for kh3 week as a sure thing like? It's far from guaranteed considering ps4 only sold over 100k 6 times before and the holiday promotion likely bought some buyers forward a few weeks.
PS4 vs PS3
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Code:
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|    |   PlayStation 3   |   PlayStation 4   |  Difference  |
|    |    (2006/11/11)   |    (2014/02/22)   |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   PS4 - PS3  |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 253|   64.786|7.004.790|   75.793|7.546.004|       541.214|
| 254|   36.061|7.040.851|   72.430|7.618.434|       577.583|
| 255|   39.452|7.080.303|  117.182|7.735.616|       655.313|
| 256|   30.362|7.110.665|         |         |              |
| 257|   29.435|7.140.100|         |         |              |
| 258|   28.596|7.168.696|         |         |              |
| 259|   23.897|7.192.593|         |         |              |
| 260|   25.217|7.217.810|         |         |              |
| 261|   26.966|7.244.776|         |         |              |
| 261|   22.919|7.267.695|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
Here's to another year of Hiska-san comparisons! The ps4 now has a 650k lead over the ps3 aligned. Just wow. It's going to easily beat it to 8m and surely that means it beats it to 9m too. Long may it last.
PS4 will get to 9 million this year or no?
1.26m more to go. You'd imagine it will and that's much higher then most ever would have expected it to go a few years back.
Apples and Oranges scenario. Switch and PS4 attract almost the same userbase, power gap is not as big as Wii and 360, etc.
The power gap between the switch and the ps5 will likely be humongous. There won't be a mass shift from the industry with that scenario as switch will just be too far behind.
 
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Franco_Tech

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Oct 30, 2017
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dragon Quest Builders 2 physical version are practically tied still think the ps4 version is a little ahead because of digital. But is good that they released the game on switch because is still under performing compared to the first one.
 
Oct 26, 2017
20,440
Do we expect Fire Emblem before Golden Week still with three different RPG ports (FFX, FF12, Dragon's Dogma) launching in that time period.

I mean, these aren't huge games, but still.
 

Raguy

Member
Dec 20, 2017
311
In the end the hints from retailers for big Switch sales at week 1 were correct. Q4 2018 starts with much better prospects from Q4 2017. Maybe Nintendo won't even need other titles this quarter besibes Mario and Yoshi, Smash will do a lot of carrying.

For Japan, it's enough for sales trending.
And for players, in January we have also two switch exclusives : Travis strikes back and Dragon marked for death.
And for western countries, if we have DQB 2 for February or March, we will have more to play...

Anyway, the calendar for Q4 will fill up either by a nintendo direct or by others announcement on Youtube or Twitter.
 

Ethifury

Member
Dec 4, 2017
1,802
Sony has stronger Week 1 sales typically. It is also the end of a promotion that was running the PS4 w/ 2 free games and a discount (?).

Ah, I was wondering why the big jump.

I'd be surprised if it's that much of a race simply because PS4 has a pair of huge tentpole releases at the end of this month; I'd expect that to spike enough to keep the PS4 comfortably ahead.

If they was releasing in, say, late March, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out significantly closer.

You're talking about RE2 and KH3? I definitely see those two keep the PS4 ahead of Switch for a while. Maybe Switch will surpass it as we're near the holidays.

Fourth highest week for PS4 in its life. Third if you exclude launch.

1. 309.154 (launch)
2. 140.145 (MHW launch)
3. 118.350 (FFXV launch)
4. 117.182
5. 109.287 (second week after MHW)
6. 100.238 (week 51 of 2016)

Damn, that's pretty impressive. Can't wait to see what numbers are going to come out for KH3 PS4 bundle and RE2.

Japanese third parties looking at those Switch HW and SW sales like

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They better start now.