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Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2019 (Mar 04 - Mar 10)
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Apparently the very basic stuff will be shared, if we reach that point. We aren't supposed to copy/paste Media Create numbers either.
I see, hopefully Media Create doesn't mind some basic stuff being posted here. Thanks!
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If you want to get an idea of what a subscription costs (without tax)
Media Create: Most expensive by far, cheapest is at ¥170.000 per month and gives huge amount of info
Famitsu: Full report at ¥450.000 per month. Light report at ¥30.000 per month, that's the most popular around the world because of accessible price entry.
Dengeki: Cheapest of all three, but as they say you get what you pay for.
Media Create: Most expensive by far, cheapest is at ¥170.000 per month and gives huge amount of info
Famitsu: Full report at ¥450.000 per month. Light report at ¥30.000 per month, that's the most popular around the world because of accessible price entry.
Dengeki: Cheapest of all three, but as they say you get what you pay for.
Great to know. Media Create threads are the best. Thank you for everything by the way.
Light Famitsu report would be around $10 per month if 20 users decide to crowdfund.
I'd be happy to contribute if something like that is needed.
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Full subscriptions are untouchable and only big publishers and companies have access to them since they have everything, from pre-orders, to first day sell-through and extended market analysis. Verification progress is very strict as they include a lot of sensitive info.
Light reports are very basic and mostly small western companies and organizations go for them if they have some interest in Japanese market.
For example Famitsu picollo has
Weekly top 50 sell-through+shipments
Weekly top 5-10 per system
Weekly hardware+software sales per system
Weekly hardware+software market value
Monthly top 50
H1 CY+FY top 300
CY+FY top 300
Small market analysis
Light reports are very basic and mostly small western companies and organizations go for them if they have some interest in Japanese market.
For example Famitsu picollo has
Weekly top 50 sell-through+shipments
Weekly top 5-10 per system
Weekly hardware+software sales per system
Weekly hardware+software market value
Monthly top 50
H1 CY+FY top 300
CY+FY top 300
Small market analysis
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The caveat is that those data couldn't be make public. Maybe just a small portion of it, like the Top 20?
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This is a sample of a weekly report. It comes out 2-3 hours before Famitsu updates the site.
https://www.f-ism.net/piccolo/image/f-ismPiccoloSample.pdf
https://www.f-ism.net/piccolo/image/f-ismPiccoloSample.pdf
Sony hardware sales in Japan. In 2019 they go for lowest sales since 1995 and beating 1995 isn't given.
Sony couldn't be behind this. SIE is an American company first and foremost. Why would they care about their system's low sales in a region that represents a tiny fraction of their overall market? Their investors won't care one bit since the west has been their focus for 2 gens now.
If Media Create was pressured by anyone to stop providing data, it'll be major third-party pubs like Bamco, Capcom, and Square. Because they are currently knee deep in PS5 development and it'll look bad to their investors if they continue to sideline the market leader for a system that will be comparatively undesirable to the local market. It'll look really bad if Capcom reveals Biohazard 8 for PS5 while all they have for Switch is an overpriced port of Darkside Chronicles.
That should be the absolute minimum expectations for Sekiro.
If it can't even match what Bloodborne launched at 4 years prior that's just bad. Hell, Dark Souls III first week was over 200k.
Also I'm super surprised by how quickly YW4 has fallen on Amazon since its initial listing. Pretty safe to say that franchise's heyday is long past now.
Prediction League January 2019 Results
Congratulations to:
- fiendcode, for winning by units!
- fiendcode, for winning by mean error %!
Congratulations to:
- fiendcode, for winning by units!
- fiendcode, for winning by mean error %!
Code:
BY UNITS BY MEAN ERROR %
1 fiendcode 263.514 1 fiendcode 16,65%
2 Fisico 325.899 2 Fisico 22,36%
3 Welfare 352.659 3 Welfare 26,21%
4 Zedark 357.011 4 Xenoboy 26,49%
5 Xenoboy 406.659 5 Nocturnal 27,60%
6 LordKano 407.659 6 El Manco 27,71%
7 Chris1964 439.512 7 Zedark 30,36%
8 Jonno394 442.659 8 Chris1964 30,53%
9 Ryng Manuel Tolu 481.659 9 Caiops 30,93%
10 MysticGon 494.781 10 Bruno MB 31,20%
11 dean_rcg 502.659 11 LordKano 32,36%
12 Bruno MB 512.659 12 Jonno394 32,89%
13 Nocturnal 523.215 13 ggx2ac 33,18%
14 El Manco 544.659 14 Mr Swine 34,03%
15 chroeser 547.657 15 chroeser 35,39%
16 Caiops 551.011 16 Ryng Manuel Tolu 35,91%
17 ggx2ac 561.619 17 dean_rcg 36,28%
18 Yeshua 563.969 18 MysticGon 39,61%
19 Andri 579.781 19 Alblowi 41,48%
20 Mr Swine 649.199 20 Alandring 44,82%
21 Alblowi 698.661 21 Yeshua 45,26%
22 Alandring 727.659 22 Eolz 48,47%
23 Eolz 755.659 23 DarkDetective 50,11%
24 DarkDetective 779.659 24 Andri 50,36%
25 SinCityAssassin 893.781 25 SinCityAssassin 59,64%
26 casiopao 990.009 26 casiopao 62,11%
Code:
Famitsu Yeshua SinCityAss chroeser Jonno394 Nocturnal dean_rcg ggx2ac Alblowi DarkDetect Andri Xenoboy casiopao Bruno MB Chris1964 Ryng Manue Zedark
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware 432.062 400.000 385.000 340.002 325.000 370.000 425.000 295.333 299.999 333.000 300.000 290.000 800.000 315.000 345.678 352.000 360.000
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe 336.439 500.000 860.000 220.000 375.000 240.000 325.000 205.556 199.999 140.000 450.000 280.000 400.000 275.000 234.567 241.000 270.000
[PS4 + NSW] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition 80.776 210.000 168.000 128.000 120.000 110.000 150.000 131.015 130.000 160.000 200.000 111.000 300.000 135.000 123.456 133.000 145.000
[PS4] Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown 184.204 120.000 97.000 77.000 80.000 165.000 75.000 122.815 92.000 80.000 75.000 79.000 80.000 110.000 78.901 89.000 95.000
[PS4] Resident Evil 2 265.324 250.000 182.000 216.000 175.000 145.000 175.000 285.896 167.000 185.000 200.000 250.000 380.000 255.000 234.567 141.000 300.000
[PS4] Kingdom Hearts III 640.406 800.000 575.000 505.000 500.000 444.444 425.000 478.599 450.000 420.000 600.000 583.000 520.000 445.000 567.890 606.000 610.000
Alandring Caiops Mr Swine El Manco Fisico fiendcode Welfare Eolz LordKano MysticGon
300.000 240.000 246.000 333.000 365.123 333.333 350.000 246.000 355.000 280.000
300.000 199.000 167.000 222.000 242.310 333.333 250.000 222.000 255.000 390.000
250.000 88.000 113.000 99.000 114.567 88.888 125.000 190.000 155.000 190.000
150.000 60.000 116.000 111.000 117.000 99.999 100.000 129.000 105.000 150.000
250.000 310.000 282.000 222.000 276.210 222.222 250.000 251.000 255.000 220.000
300.000 595.000 817.000 444.000 587.456 666.666 600.000 364.000 555.000 540.000
Code:
STATISTICS FAMITSU ERA_AVG UNDER OVER MIN MAX CLOSEST BY
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware 432.062 345.556 96% 4% 240.000 800.000 425.000 dean_rcg
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe 336.439 299.876 77% 23% 140.000 860.000 333.333 fiendcode
[PS4 + NSW] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition 80.776 148.766 0% 100% 88.000 300.000 88.000 Caiops
[PS4] Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown 184.204 102.066 100% 0% 60.000 165.000 165.000 Nocturnal
[PS4] Resident Evil 2 265.324 233.842 77% 23% 141.000 380.000 255.000 Bruno MB
[PS4] Kingdom Hearts III 640.406 538.425 88% 12% 300.000 817.000 666.666 fiendcode
Blame the long lack of Switch stock. I believe Vesperia on Switch would've been WAY higher if BN kept it in stock from the start. I think it took a whole month before stock got replenished?
Switch really sold above expectations.
They managed amazingly well this month without new releases.
They managed amazingly well this month without new releases.
The fact that Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition between 2 popular systems couldn't even outsell the bare-bones port of Tales of the Abyss for 3DS is quite telling of the estate of the franchise in Japan, really pitiful performance. At least Bandai Namco is taking its time with the next mainline entry, they know it is probably their last chance.
I don't think they ever promoted Vesperia as this big release. Always felt like just a throwaway release because they had nothing else for the year. Not sure why people expected that much from it.
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Abyss on 3DS had lower opening but good legs. When we get Famitsu first half sales both Switch and PS4 versions should be in top 100 and we'll see how they hold. I wouldn't expect big difference at lifetime sales since digital is a factor this time and Switch version was out of stock for weeks.
But as you said next main entry will define Tales future. If Switch is included as expected there won't be user base excuses. Like Pokemon either Japan cares or not (assuming it's a good entry).
There were maybe a few thousands lost/delayed sales, nowhere near 10k so the damage was not that big, also digital was there.
Game is still in the low tier of pricing so it should have some legs, especially on Switch, on PS4 there's not much more to expect as usual.
As for how to judge the sales it depends on how you look at it, it compares favourably to Symphonia UP but is bad compared to Abyss for now
In any case I don't think it can be used as either negative or positive sign on the series current state, it's a remaster with next to 0 added value, if anything it's as barebones as Abyss 3DS (that included the extra content from the US release btw), and unlike the west remasters have always been on the low end there.
Small reminder about Symphonia UP LTD and Abyss 3DS sales to give some perspective.
MC CY 2014
MC CY 2011
With digital and legs Vesperia will end up somewhere in between the two.
Xillia was the beginning of the end and then Zestiria potentially killed all trust people potentially had in the series. They went too crazy with cutting out content in favor of DLC, rushing everything else, and clearly saving stuff for Xillia 2. I really want to know if those decisions came from people higher on the food chain.
For some that's the solution to everything.
Next week will be brutal when this great solution fails even One Piece.
Tsutaya Ranking: Week 11, 2019 (11 Mar - 17 Mar)
01./00. [PS4] One Piece: World Seeker <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.03.14} (¥7.600)
02./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division 2 <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2019.03.15} (¥8.400)
03./01. [PS4] Devil May Cry 5 <ACT> (Capcom) {2019.03.08} (¥6.990)
04./02. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200)
05./50. [PS4] Judgment <ADV> (Sega) {2018.12.13} (¥8.290)
06./03. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980)
07./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division 2 (Gold Edition) <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2019.03.12} (¥12.000)
08./06. [NSW] Minecraft <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600)
09./00. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 DX <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.14} (¥5.800)
10./10. [NSW] Splatoon 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980)
11./09. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980)
12./00. [NSW] Samurai Warriors 4 DX <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.14} (¥5.800)
13./12. [NSW] Super Mario Party <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980)
14./13. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.01.25} (¥8.800)
15./07. [PS4] Jump Force <STG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.02.14} (¥8.200)
16./18. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980)
17./04. [3DS] Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.03.07} (¥4.980)
18./15. [PS4] Resident Evil 2 (Z Version) <ADV> (Capcom) {2019.01.25} (¥7.800)
19./14. [PS4] NieR: Automata - Game of the YoRHa Edition <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.02.21} (¥4.800)
20./17. [NSW] Dragon Quest Builders 2 <ADV> (Square Enix) {2018.12.20} (¥7.800)
Top 20
PS4 - 10
NSW - 9
3DS - 1
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Judgement rise!!!
01./00. [PS4] One Piece: World Seeker <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.03.14} (¥7.600)
02./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division 2 <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2019.03.15} (¥8.400)
03./01. [PS4] Devil May Cry 5 <ACT> (Capcom) {2019.03.08} (¥6.990)
04./02. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200)
05./50. [PS4] Judgment <ADV> (Sega) {2018.12.13} (¥8.290)
06./03. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980)
07./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division 2 (Gold Edition) <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2019.03.12} (¥12.000)
08./06. [NSW] Minecraft <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600)
09./00. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 DX <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.14} (¥5.800)
10./10. [NSW] Splatoon 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980)
11./09. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980)
12./00. [NSW] Samurai Warriors 4 DX <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.14} (¥5.800)
13./12. [NSW] Super Mario Party <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980)
14./13. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.01.25} (¥8.800)
15./07. [PS4] Jump Force <STG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.02.14} (¥8.200)
16./18. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980)
17./04. [3DS] Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.03.07} (¥4.980)
18./15. [PS4] Resident Evil 2 (Z Version) <ADV> (Capcom) {2019.01.25} (¥7.800)
19./14. [PS4] NieR: Automata - Game of the YoRHa Edition <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.02.21} (¥4.800)
20./17. [NSW] Dragon Quest Builders 2 <ADV> (Square Enix) {2018.12.20} (¥7.800)
Top 20
PS4 - 10
NSW - 9
3DS - 1
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Judgement rise!!!
Bandai Namco wouldn't ever invest that much into a Tales game.
Unless they pulled off a Dynasty Warriors 9 here.
well, at least the engine would be more capable of running such a look
Well, that's one way to get rid of unsold copies. Maybe more publishers should take note and add celebrities likely to be arrested within the next few months to their games ;)
What DLC are you referring to?
The only ones they ever did were 100% cosmetic stuff (costume/attachment, that sort of stuff) and one 3h cheap middling epilogue for Zestiria that was offered for free at release.
As for how they developed the series they clearly had a two games approach since Xillia, develop one full new game and then build from it to make an improved version using knowhow and stuff they weren't able to finish (Xillia -> Xillia 2, Zestiria -> Berseria) the point being that cost for the second game was lower and they could release fairly decent games quicker this way.
The approach has some merits but it did end up with the first entries (Xillia, Zestiria) clearly lacking polish while the second were a bit too heavy on the recycling (Xillia 2, Berseria)
It remains to be seen if they will keep this approach, which isn't bad in itself, or not, it's the usual Bandai Namco being cheap on budget stuff so nothing that surprising.
Preorders just opened and marketing campaing likely has yet to start.
I was referring to the cosmetic stuff with Xillia for example only having four costumes and the palette swaps because DLC became a thing.
I'm actually curious as to whether they'll try another dlc like the Alishia story because I'm not sure that's free if it wasn't for the backlash and there's money to be made off the Tales fanbase.
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GEO stores: Week 11, 2019 (11 Mar - 17 Mar)
01./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division 2 # <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2019.03.15} (¥8.400)
02./00. [PS4] One Piece: World Seeker <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.03.14} (¥7.600)
03./01. [PS4] Devil May Cry 5 <ACT> (Capcom) {2019.03.08} (¥6.990)
04./02. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200)
05./04. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.01.25} (¥8.800)
06./03. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980)
07./06. [NSW] Minecraft <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600)
08./00. [PS4] LoveR <ADV> (Kadokawa Games) (¥7.980)
09./00. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 DX <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.14} (¥5.800)
10./10. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980)
Top 10
PS4 - 6
NSW - 4
"The Division 2 ranked 1st. The reputation of previous work is high, especially in North America. It is a title that has attracted great attention before its release and we hope to see it sell in the long term.
One Piece: World Seeker ranked 2nd. Open world games based on popular animations have novelty. LoveR is at 8th place."
01./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division 2 # <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2019.03.15} (¥8.400)
02./00. [PS4] One Piece: World Seeker <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.03.14} (¥7.600)
03./01. [PS4] Devil May Cry 5 <ACT> (Capcom) {2019.03.08} (¥6.990)
04./02. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200)
05./04. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.01.25} (¥8.800)
06./03. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980)
07./06. [NSW] Minecraft <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600)
08./00. [PS4] LoveR <ADV> (Kadokawa Games) (¥7.980)
09./00. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 DX <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.14} (¥5.800)
10./10. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980)
Top 10
PS4 - 6
NSW - 4
"The Division 2 ranked 1st. The reputation of previous work is high, especially in North America. It is a title that has attracted great attention before its release and we hope to see it sell in the long term.
One Piece: World Seeker ranked 2nd. Open world games based on popular animations have novelty. LoveR is at 8th place."
I wouldn't mind contributing to a Kickstarter or whatever if we were to do this. We considered doing it at Siliconera years ago, too, and actually even discussed it with Media Create once.
At the time, they also suggested to me that they would be cool with us sharing some of the data with our readers, but it was 5 years ago and I don't remember if we discussed the specifics unfortunately.
I'm in favour of contributing to anything that makes for more educational discussions on here.
So, what are the current numbers of Tales of Vesperia? Seems like the Switch version keeps selling.
When "novelty" is best you can say about either the quality or the sales of the game.
I'd be willing to contribute to a light subscription too if necessary. I'd hate to see anything happen to these threads.
Dengeki last week
From Hero of Legend's post
It's more or less around the same position in MC top 50 but with no numbers.
Last Famitsu numbers
Week 7
27./26. [NSW] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.01.11} (¥5.700) - 1.966 / 34.461 <80-100%> (+5%)
Week 6
22./22. [PS4] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.01.11} (¥5.700) - 2.153 / 56.427 <80-100%> (-27%)
Last MC numbers
Week 4
15./15. [PS4] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.01.11} (¥5.700) - 5.039 / 53.994 (-32%)
Week 3
17./04. [NSW] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.01.11} (¥5.700) - 4.598 / 31.186 (-83%)
The game was released week 2, so at week 3 Dengeki and MC were fairly close for the Switch SKU (32k and 31k) and a small difference for PS4 SKU (60 vs 54k)
For Famitsu the gap was bigger, week 6 PS4 SKU (65k vs 56k), NSW SKU 38k vs 34k)
Overall it's probably around ~100k retail both SKU combined it still has a few extra thousands sales out of chart in the tank and a much bigger digital share.