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Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2019 (Mar 04 - Mar 10)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Another option is to start extrapolating Vinnk's Village and gather some other anecdotal data and produce our own numbers!
Comgnet comparisons as of March 18th, 2019
[PS4] Super Robot Wars V - 76pt + 50pt = 126pt
[PSV] Super Robot Wars V - 53pt + 49pt = 102pt
[PS4] Super Robot Wars X - 62pt + 37pt = 99pt
[PSV] Super Robot Wars X - 54pt + 33pt = 87pt
[PS4] Super Robot Wars T - 79pt (LE) + 27pt = 106pt
[NSW] Super Robot Wars T - 25pt (LE) + 15pt = 40pt
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 - 90pt
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X - 80pt
[NSW] Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission - 26pt
[PS4] Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings - 32pt + 19pt (LE) = 51pt
[PSV] Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings - 15pt (LE)
[PS4] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - 22pt (LE)
[PSV] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - 12pt
[NSW] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - 9pt
[PS4] Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland - 23pt + 19pt (LE) = 42pt
[NSW] Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland - 10pt
[PS4] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Fortune - 34pt + 16pt (LE) - 50pt
[PSV] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Venus - 16pt (LE) + 11pt = 27pt
[PS4] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Scarlet - 18pt + 15pt (LE) = 31pt
[NSW] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Scarlet - 12pt
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 25pt
[NSW] Yoshi's Crafted World - 12pt
Note: in the past few years, the first-week sales / LTD preorders ratios have costantly increased, resulting in more and more actual thousands sold per preorder point, thus comparisons between series' entry across several years are less accurate then what they could've been before.
[PS4] Super Robot Wars V - 76pt + 50pt = 126pt
[PSV] Super Robot Wars V - 53pt + 49pt = 102pt
[PS4] Super Robot Wars X - 62pt + 37pt = 99pt
[PSV] Super Robot Wars X - 54pt + 33pt = 87pt
[PS4] Super Robot Wars T - 79pt (LE) + 27pt = 106pt
[NSW] Super Robot Wars T - 25pt (LE) + 15pt = 40pt
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 - 90pt
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X - 80pt
[NSW] Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission - 26pt
[PS4] Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings - 32pt + 19pt (LE) = 51pt
[PSV] Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings - 15pt (LE)
[PS4] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - 22pt (LE)
[PSV] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - 12pt
[NSW] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - 9pt
[PS4] Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland - 23pt + 19pt (LE) = 42pt
[NSW] Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland - 10pt
[PS4] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Fortune - 34pt + 16pt (LE) - 50pt
[PSV] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Venus - 16pt (LE) + 11pt = 27pt
[PS4] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Scarlet - 18pt + 15pt (LE) = 31pt
[NSW] Dead or Alive Xtreme 3: Scarlet - 12pt
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 25pt
[NSW] Yoshi's Crafted World - 12pt
Note: in the past few years, the first-week sales / LTD preorders ratios have costantly increased, resulting in more and more actual thousands sold per preorder point, thus comparisons between series' entry across several years are less accurate then what they could've been before.
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Yes, but I meant relatively. Are they tracking above/below expectations ? (I think you only mentionned Sekiro as a positive but what about the others ?)
I don't think it works like that. Yes, there is at least some history of the franchise being on a Nintendo platform, but the last one was 4 years ago on the 3DS. Meanwhile PS4 has had 3 games from the franchise since then.
I would agree that the ratio shouldn't be as horrible as something that has always been a playstation franchise, but the reality is that the audience has been built on the PS4 and not Switch until now.
I mean, the last Ace Combat game was like 8 years prior. 4 years is nothing. SRW has a deep history on Nintendo consoles, something like 15-20 different game releases on various Nintendo hardware so it should have a sizable amount of people excited to play the newest iteration on the Switch. No reason to think of SRW as "always been a playstation franchise" unless you simply don't have the knowledge of SRW's origins?
That's not really responsive to my specific point. "Nintendo 3DS" doesn't equal "Nintendo Switch".
And PS2 and PS3 doesn't equal PS4, yet you see people making those comparisons all the time (the most recent in large volume was concerning Kingdom Hearts sales). Also I made an edit that you might not have seen, so my I ask why you think SRW has "always been a playstation franchise" when it was on SNES and the original Gameboy and has had over 15 different releases on a wide range of Nintendo hardware?
Again, non responsive. PS4 has received the last 3 entries in the series. This is the first Switch game. Its unreasonable to expect parity day 1 because a game hit another Nintendo platform 4 years ago.
From what I can tell from gameplay videos on Youtube, the Switch and PS4 versions are the same, so there isn't any sort of graphics gap between the two. So the big advantage of portability should easily tilt the scales in favor of the Switch. If there wasn't parity in graphics between the two I'd say the ps4 should be favored, but considering the long and rich history of SRW on Nintendo consoles and how much Japan loves to play games on the go (and a SRPG like SRW is perfect for that) I'd say the Switch version should easily outsell the PS4 version which is the same except you can only play it at home.
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Things look the expected, there shouldn't be unpleasant surprises for publishers or retailers.
Of the last 11 games in the series, a grand total of 2 have been on Nintendo platforms. Its very transparent what you are doing.
Edit- had my number wrong- was including all versions.
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To respond directly to your point:
The highest selling SRW game, both in total and in terms of initial week sales for 3DS, DS, and GBA is the first SRW game that released on each system.
For 3DS:
Super Robot Wars BX 98.184 130.067 Bandai Namco 20/08/2015
Super Robot Wars UX 120.751 177.810 Bandai Namco14/03/2013
For DS:
Super Robot Wars L 123.933 181.459 Bandai Namco 25/11/2010
Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin - The Lord of Elemental 86.105 104.757 Bandai Namco 27/05/2010
Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Endless Frontier Exceed 78.773 100.089 Bandai Namco 25/02/2010
Super Robot Wars K 131.638 213.454 Bandai Namco 20/03/2009
Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Endless Frontier 90.248 120.556 Banpresto 29/05/2008
Super Robot Wars W 172.190 278.027 Banpresto 01/03/2007
For GBA, it's the same, Super Robot A was the first released and had higher first week sales and total sales than any other SRW game on GBA.
Do you not understand why the first game to a system is the highest selling one? It should be particularly obvious.
Those are all games in the series that were exclusive to DS/3DS. You can't compare those to a multiplatform game where Switch is now replacing Vita. Its just completely different dynamics.
All the DS and 3DS games were also lowered budget entries which included fewer units and a lot more of recycled assets.
Latest SRT on Nintendo home console was a 3D spin-off entry released on Wii 10 years ago
SRT has an history on Sony consoles, less so than IP which were entirely exclusive but the mindshare difference is still notable.
The supposed trend of "first released entry is best selling entry" is also moot when you look at the overall trend of SRT games sales, they just keep selling fewer copies game after game.
T won't stop that trend and will sell less than X.
Will the Switch version of T sell less than the Vita version of X?
Yikes if so.
*sigh*
I don't know, maybe, below sales of the main entries in the series
396k->289k->273k->215k
Looking at this trend sub 200k retail LTD is pretty much a lock unless there's some major shake-up or a very appealing line-up of mecha, it's not the case for the former and I don't follow the series close enough to know if that's a factor for the latter.
Also looking at FW/LTD multiplier
1.4 -> 1.42 -> 1.52 -> 1.54
Oddly enough they seem to have slighlty less frontloaded sales, with Switch especially it wouldn't be surprising if the multiplier goes even higher, say 1.6-1.7
So betting on a 190k LTD I'd say sales could look like that, give or take 10k
FW 115k, LTD 190k
PS4 : 75k / 115k
NSW: 40k / 75k
So technically that's on the range of the PSV SRT X SKU I guess ?
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Division 2 drop won't be as big as west but it will still be big.
Bad word of mouth has hit One Piece hard, it didn't have a chance neither at first week.
Early estimates for 50k openings top for both still apply, they won't be far from reality.
Bad word of mouth has hit One Piece hard, it didn't have a chance neither at first week.
Early estimates for 50k openings top for both still apply, they won't be far from reality.
What are the paths forward for Namco and KT.
They've had some fucking weird releases recently, some of which have done not great.
They've had some fucking weird releases recently, some of which have done not great.
Koei Tecmo has been working as a studio for hire lately.
Marvel Ultimate alliance, DQB2, Fire Emblem co-developed. Maybe they hope to continue with that.
They should all sell decently enough, but I'm not too sure if they'll keep it up.
DQB2 launched pretty buggy, IIRC. Marvel Ultimate Alliance doesn't look great either.
Namco is doing fine I'm sure. Those anime games seem to be pretty cheap and always sell decent to good in the West. There is a chance that Jump Force might top the NPD charts this month or maybe slightly behind Anthem.
Judging by that new DBZ RPG I expect the cheap looking UE4 anime game that reviews badly to be a viable template for them for the near future.
Judging by that new DBZ RPG I expect the cheap looking UE4 anime game that reviews badly to be a viable template for them for the near future.
Bandai Namco has so much stuff going on that one or two bombs is not going to do anything. And apparently Jump Force launched to good numbers worldwide.
DQB2 sold pretty well, so they're assured to be contracted again. And MUA3 so far has been received well.
DQB2 sold pretty well, so they're assured to be contracted again. And MUA3 so far has been received well.
Musou's decline is exactly the reason why we're so afraid for KT's future. More Musou won't help unless they let the series take a big break, then reinvent it (on a gameplay level), and then do a crossover with the biggest brand available.
Considering Fire Emblem Musou is a million seller I don't the Musou formula is necessarily a problem. I think the Warring States and Three Kingdoms subject matter has worn out, it can only be rehashed so many times.
Yes. Running a new IP through the formula still does well. Looking forward to Xenomusou some day.
Yes please, that would be great. Concentrate on the Blade games but throw in Saga stuff(And Gears if SE isn't being rubbish).
I see FE Warriors at a little over 100k combined on Game Data Library. Was there another release for it other than the 3DS and Switch?
Nope but it did sell 1m WW. KT confirmed it a few months after launch.
WW numbers are useless in this thread though. it's about Japan sales. Otherwise all the gloom and doom about PS4 software could easily be rebutted with the amazing global software sales, so it makes sense to keep discussion Japan-focused. FE Warriors did around 100k with 3DS and Switch combined releases. That's less than DW9 or Orochi 4 which use the more traditional settings for the series.
It's over 100K. I also don't think these numbers were ever updated in GameDataLibrary -- it's like 2 year old data, it's likely they did ship more than that.
Also, the discussion was mostly "what KT is going to do in the future" in general.
I mean, KT has Nioh 2 coming doesn't it? The original pushed 165k copies in Japan so I imagine the sequel should do fairly well also.
I haven't really looked much into Nioh 2 honestly. I hope we actually get to play as a Japanese swordmaster instead of the awkward Last Samurai stuff that the original pulled.
Nioh also pushed over 2.5 million units WW
I haven't really looked much into Nioh 2 honestly. I hope we actually get to play as a Japanese swordmaster instead of the awkward Last Samurai stuff that the original pulled.
Idea Factory riding the Switch train without looking back. 3 announcements in Famitsu:
- Tlicolity Eyes: Twinkle Snowtime, out on July 18th
- Katakoi Contrast: Collection of Branch, out on August 22nd
- Jakou no Lyla: Trap of Musk, out on September 19th
Dont worry. With toukiden formula. Making Nioh 2 as open world would make sure it dont decline baby.^_^
June 06 - Youkai Watch 4: Bokura wa Onaji Sora wo Miageteiru (Level-5)
July 04 - Attack on Titan 2: Final Battle (Koei Tecmo)
July 04 - Clannad (Prototype)
July 18 - Tlicolity Eyes: Twinkle Snowtime (Idea Factory)
July 25 - Kill la Kill: IF (Arc System Works)
August 22 - Katakoi Contrast: Collection of Branch (Idea Factory)
September 19 - Jakou no Lyla: Trap of Musk (Idea Factory)
July 04 - Attack on Titan 2: Final Battle (Koei Tecmo)
July 04 - Clannad (Prototype)
July 18 - Tlicolity Eyes: Twinkle Snowtime (Idea Factory)
July 25 - Kill la Kill: IF (Arc System Works)
August 22 - Katakoi Contrast: Collection of Branch (Idea Factory)
September 19 - Jakou no Lyla: Trap of Musk (Idea Factory)