In xenoblade games soundtracks, i prefere xenoblade cross soundtracks.
Don't ban me plz :(
I blame Sawano for influencing people with bad music taste :P
In xenoblade games soundtracks, i prefere xenoblade cross soundtracks.
Don't ban me plz :(
It has a long way to go to even catch up to Animal Crossing, let alone pass it.
Also NSMB remains the best selling game in japan
Animal Crossing is at 5.6-5.7 millions on 3DS, NSMB is at 6.7 or 6.8 millions
Animal Crossing is at 5.6-5.7 millions on 3DS, NSMB is at 6.7 or 6.8 millions
I think Splatoon will reach 4.5-5 million units, more? That's going to be huge but possible, but 7 millions? That's so highly unlikely
I believe Aya Kyogoku, New Leaf's director, is making Labo. They don't need to rush Animal Crossing too I guess, they were still trying to sell New Leaf last year.Animal Crossing often gets ignored, but it's the real king. It blows my mind how Nintendo haven't make a decent Animal Crossing since 2012. The AC team is so preoccupied with the mobile game?
It has a long way to go to even catch up to Animal Crossing, let alone pass it.
Also NSMB remains the best selling game in japan
- bigger than the official Nintendo twitter account for Japan
- 2nd biggest official Nintendo twitter account
- should overtake Halo in a month or so
You are not wrong.
"Biggest franchise in Japan" is kind of hard to quantify when you think about it.
Animal Crossing New Leaf sold over 5m on 3DS, making it the best selling title on the system. But it's still the most recent game in the series and has had 5 years to sell.
Pokemon X/Y sold over 4.5m on 3DS in 2013, followed by ORAS in 2014 which sold 3m, followed by Sun/Moon in 2016 which sold nearly 4m, followed by USUM in 2017 which sold over 2m.
Monster Hunter routinely sells 2-4m yearly aside from 2016 which didn't have a mainline release.
Splatoon sold over 1.5m on Wii U in 2015 and Splatoon 2 has already sold over 2m in less than a year.
Dragon Quest comes around at least once a generation and reliably sells 3-4m.
I'm not really sure what I would consider the qualifications for the biggest franchise to be. Is it whatever ends up selling the most of a single title in a generation, or the series that sells the most across multiple titles in a generation? The former (for now) would point to Animal Crossing, the latter would point to Pokemon or Monster Hunter.
Pokemon Red/Blue/Green sold way more than NSMB.
Pokemon and Mario easily is going to be bigger than Fate though.^_^
Not a chance. Fate makes so much money it occasionally dethrones China (Honor of Kings) and America (Clash etc.)
Mario, Pokemon, DQ and Zelda combined is smaller than Fate.
Mario must be huge with licensing stuff actually, I also think the movie will be a hit ranging from 750M$-1B$ worldwide - it's an Ilumination movie and they're great at making box office hits. I agree about Zelda and Dragon Quest tho.Not a chance. Fate makes so much money it often dethrones China (Honor of Kings) and America (Clash etc.) to be the top earning mobile game IN THE WORLD*.
A lot of perceived value of Nintendo brands is not yet unlocked as these brands are not multimedia brands like Fate is.
Mario, Pokemon, DQ and Zelda combined are smaller than Fate as far as gross from "games only" go. Of course, overall Pokemon is top, given how much merchandise and multimedia sales it has (it beats Star Wars after all); but Mario and Zelda are not that heavily merchandised, and I really doubt either have as much multimedia potential (and I really DOUBT Zelda's merchandising potential outside 8 bit UNIQLO shirts).
*IOS/Google App Store combined. Not including those third party app stores common in China etc,
Animal Crossing is at 5.6-5.7 millions on 3DS, NSMB is at 6.7 or 6.8 millions
I think Splatoon will reach 4.5-5 million units, more? That's going to be huge but possible, but 7 millions? That's so highly unlikely
Not a chance. Fate makes so much money it often dethrones China (Honor of Kings) and America (Clash etc.) to be the top earning mobile game IN THE WORLD*.
A lot of perceived value of Nintendo brands is not yet unlocked as these brands are not multimedia brands like Fate is.
Mario, Pokemon, DQ and Zelda combined are smaller than Fate as far as gross from "games only" go. Of course, overall Pokemon is top, given how much merchandise and multimedia sales it has (it beats Star Wars after all); but Mario and Zelda are not that heavily merchandised, and I really doubt either have as much multimedia potential (and I really DOUBT Zelda's merchandising potential outside 8 bit UNIQLO shirts). Sad to say, but DQ probably has lower brand awareness than Fate everywhere in the world outside Japan, and that's also not a MM franchise.
*IOS/Google App Store combined. Not including those third party app stores common in China etc,
There is a reason why Kirby is still much bigger vs like Fire Emblem even if the sales number is the same as Kirby bring a huge Kaching from merchandising too.
I don't know if Fate is bigger than Mario globally. Do games like Mario Kart count towards Mario brand? Also not sure if it's bigger than CoD. But I do agree it's easily top 5 gaming IP all things considered. You'd think WSJ would like to write about it, but I guess it's too "anime" lol.
With the rise of FEH I'd say FE is EASILY bigger than Kirby globally. Not sure how it does in Japan.
It's hard to say... Sales for both series are similar today, with Kirby having the lead and better consistency over history, but FEH is probably making more money than any other FE or Kirby game. Problem is that Kirby has a lot of merch money and brand awareness and while FE is growing in that aspect too (+ otaku money), Kirby is more mainstream.With the rise of FEH I'd say FE is EASILY bigger than Kirby globally. Not sure how it does in Japan.
Yes, my first comment was more about money per game entry, not actual mainstream popularity.Fate is not a huge general IP. It's a very profitable IP in a specific demographic. Fate Grand Order does make a lot of money because the fanbase playing it are very eager to spend on it. That doesn't mean it has huge reach or that the reach it has translates into other mediums. It also doesn't mean it has larger mindshare than other IPs which make less in the mobile space. This is something to think about. It's not just about how much money something makes when we look at the size of an IP, profitability != audience size.
There is no way Fate can be bigger than even Mario at any spectrum of discussion right now especially considering how huge Mario reach vs Fate.
Fate is the franchise that encompasses Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Extra, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Kaleid Prisma Liner Illya, and several other games, anime, manga, and novels.I...don't even know what Fate is.
but apparently it's more multimedia than pokemon
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oh, Fate: Grand Order. I definitely know the name
oh, got it.Fate is the franchise that encompasses Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Extra, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Kaleid Prisma Liner Illya, and several other games, anime, manga, and novels.
If Game A costs 9800yen sells 400k, and Game B costs 3800yen and sells 600k, would anyone say that the sales show that Game A is a bigger IP than Game B?Suppose Mario games sell 20M copies a year, (I'm being generous because two big Mario games launched last year, usually they can't reach that number), that's 1200M USD per year. Fate makes about 2M USD daily on Apple store. That's 700M USD per year. Multiply that by 2 to take account of the Android store, you get 1400M USD per year.
I'm not sure you can just multiply by 2. Isn't iOS decently bigger than Android in Japan? I don't have a source for this right now, so if someone can share data proving/disproving it, I would be grateful.Suppose Mario games sell 20M copies a year, (I'm being generous because two big Mario games launched last year, usually they can't reach that number), that's 1200M USD per year. Fate makes about 2M USD daily on Apple store. That's 700M USD per year. Multiply that by 2 to take account of the Android store, you get 1400M USD per year.
Not bigger, but they are definitely on par with each other. That's my point. I never said Fate is bigger than Mario. This is what I said:If Game A costs 9800yen sells 400k, and Game B costs 3800yen and sells 600k, would anyone say that the sales show that Game A is a bigger IP than Game B?
I don't know if Fate is bigger than Mario globally. Do games like Mario Kart count towards Mario brand? Also not sure if it's bigger than CoD. But I do agree it's easily top 5 gaming IP all things considered.
I'm talking globally (you don't believe Japan can sell 20M copies of Mario every year do you?). In China Android is decently bigger than Apple, and China has the largest mobile game market in the world. FGO is also the most profitable mobile game in China.I'm not sure you can just multiply by 2. Isn't iOS decently bigger than Android in Japan? I don't have a source for this right now, so if someone can share data proving/disproving it, I would be grateful.
Fate is not a huge general IP. It's a very profitable IP in a specific demographic. Fate Grand Order does make a lot of money because the fanbase playing it are very eager to spend on it. That doesn't mean it has huge reach or that the reach it has translates into other mediums. It also doesn't mean it has larger mindshare than other IPs which make less in the mobile space. This is something to think about. It's not just about how much money something makes when we look at the size of an IP, profitability != audience size.
I mean.....talking game only, Mario only on Switch right now already had, Odyssey and Kart which will break 10+ million easily with no end game seen. Mario + Rabbids which is one hella crazy combination is going to hit 3M+ And Mario Ace Tennis also seems to have huge enough quality to sales 1M+.
There is no way Fate can be bigger than even Mario at any spectrum of discussion right now especially considering how huge Mario reach vs Fate.
Fate is not a huge general IP. It's a very profitable IP in a specific demographic. Fate Grand Order does make a lot of money because the fanbase playing it are very eager to spend on it. That doesn't mean it has huge reach or that the reach it has translates into other mediums. It also doesn't mean it has larger mindshare than other IPs which make less in the mobile space. This is something to think about. It's not just about how much money something makes when we look at the size of an IP, profitability != audience size.
So, apparently MC has argued that VC4 sales were unsatisfactory: https://www.dualshockers.com/valkyr...y-media-create/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Do we have the original source for this? Dualshockers are terrible since they don't provide sources at all.
Also, please disregard the stupid comments about Japanese gamers, the guy's just a sad individual.
Not bigger, but they are definitely on par with each other. That's my point. I never said Fate is bigger than Mario. This is what I said:
I believe Fate is among the top dogs right now.
Also, it's complicate to measure the entry barrier of a F2P mobile game. On one hand, it's free; on the other hand, a big portion of the revenue comes from the whales that spend huge amount of money on it. To me it's like the normal people and the whales are playing two different games.
That's the thing, Mario is a widely known IP. Everyone and their moms knows Mario, he is globally recognizable...even in places where Nintendo is historically weak (China, Europe). However, the people who are willing to spend on the IP, and the degree of spending, is very likely very much smaller than Fate.
Nintendo IPs in general are not well-leveraged, not well-exposed and not well-exploited compared to anything by Disney...or even Ghibli. and Fate This is where Nintendo falls flat, it has an icon that is almost as iconic as Mickey Mouse, but has failed to keep in the non-gaming populace's mind to induce them to spend money on the IP. This is why Nintendo is shifting its strategy, after the abject failures in video game the last generation, to leverage its IP more in other non-video game areas. However, that will take time to ramp up...and it has not quite reached that phase yet.
Also, there is no way Fate doesn't have mainstream appeal at this stage (post FGO), especially in Japan. Going by imperfect social media metrics, If Splatoon is the new hotness (with 1 million twitter followers) in Japan for Nintendo, then FGO alone is much more popular than Splatoon (1.22 million twitter followers). I bet Fate also has more mind-share among the foreign weeb population compared to Mario, Zelda or DQ (Pokemon still wins though).
I'm not sure you can just multiply by 2. Isn't iOS decently bigger than Android in Japan? I don't have a source for this right now, so if someone can share data proving/disproving it, I would be grateful.
You're exaggerating. How is Nintendo worse at this than Ghibli, a company that can't keep making movies because they don't know how to make money with their IPs? Nintendo has already said they have a multimedia strategy and they're soon releasing feature movies and theme parks collabs.That's the thing, Mario is a widely known IP. Everyone and their moms knows Mario, he is globally recognizable...even in places where Nintendo is historically weak (China, Europe). However, the people who are willing to spend on the IP, and the degree of spending, is very likely very much smaller than Fate.
Nintendo IPs in general are not well-leveraged, not well-exposed and not well-exploited compared to anything by Disney...or even Ghibli. and Fate This is where Nintendo falls flat, it has an icon that is almost as iconic as Mickey Mouse, but has failed to keep in the non-gaming populace's mind to induce them to spend money on the IP. This is why Nintendo is shifting its strategy, after the abject failures in video game the last generation, to leverage its IP more in other non-video game areas. However, that will take time to ramp up...and it has not quite reached that phase yet.
Also, there is no way Fate doesn't have mainstream appeal at this stage (post FGO), especially in Japan. Going by imperfect social media metrics, If Splatoon is the new hotness (with 1 million twitter followers) in Japan for Nintendo, then FGO alone is much more popular than Splatoon (1.22 million twitter followers). I bet Fate also has more mind-share among the foreign weeb population compared to Mario, Zelda or DQ (Pokemon still wins though).
Ok, so iOS is way bigger then, right? I think this proves you can't just make "iOS revenue x 2". Thanks :)
You're exaggerating. How is Nintendo worse at this than Ghibli, a company that can't keep making movies because they don't know how to make money with their IPs? Nintendo has already said they have a multimedia strategy and they're soon releasing feature movies and theme parks collabs.
You're underestimating the Mario IP a LOT. I live in South America and we have McDonald's Happy Meals toys with Mario toys sometimes, just as an example. I'm pretty sure they have licensing for stuff like this all over the world.
And yeah, no. Why a "weeb demographic" would matter so much? More people in the west care about Mario and Zelda than Fate.
https://www.m-create.com/ranking/
BUt there is a huge flaw with your argument there. You talk that people willing to spend on Mario is smaller than Fate..... however there is simply no prove nor data that we can see on how much does average FATE GO users spend or it is the simple case of whales carrying the whole IP there?
Again. Fate IP won't be mainstream as it targeted a specifically otaku/weeb market while Mario and even Splatoon is targeting masses market. As we had always known. Anime is not a mainstream thing even in Japan.
Here's what Media Create said about it in their commentary:So, apparently MC has argued that VC4 sales were unsatisfactory: https://www.dualshockers.com/valkyr...y-media-create/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Do we have the original source for this? Dualshockers are terrible since they don't provide sources at all.
Also, please disregard the stupid comments about Japanese gamers, the guy's just a sad individual.
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I mean, Fate sure is top dog. I just don't see in terms of IP bigger than Mario at all. Mario simply had much bigger things rather than just game. Its IP reach is soo big that most people know Mario.
It is like comparing Lexus brand with Mitsubishi there. Sure Lexus with all its luxury cars can bring tons of kaching(whales.) However Mitsubishi on itself due to how huge the market it served, will always be bigger brand vs Lexus.
I think you raised a very interesting question here. Sure everyone and their grandma know Mario, but is your grandma actually a part of the audience? On the other hand, indeed Fate's revenue is supported by the whales, but there are a huge amount of people who only spend minimum to zero money on the game. It's F2P after all.
Are people who only heard of Mario and only pay FGO for free part of the discussion? How do we know how many of these people are there and their importance to the IP's overall significance?
Mainstream is a very large range here. For comparison the Heaven's Feel movie released recently, which is the biggest of the Fate projects in terms of production value and marketing, made about 15 million at the Japanese box office. That's not bad for anime, but not really outstanding. In comparison, the Sword Art Online film made 25 million, Yokai Watch made 32 million, Pokemon still makes like 35 million, and Detective Conan topped the boxoffice for domestic films in 2017 with 69 million.Also, there is no way Fate doesn't have mainstream appeal at this stage (post FGO), especially in Japan.
what makes you think I did? hell, I've noticed some of them havent posted here in a while, so they probably got banned or something
If you guys are talking about who I think you are, they caught a 3 week ban for their usual gaslighting and intellectually dishonest arguments, only this time doing it in a thread about an important topic (the Jordan Peterson thread in Off-Topic).They were posting a lot in this thread after the DQXI announcement. Haven't seen them since the Level 5 news. Shrug.
Ok, so iOS is way bigger then, right? I think this proves you can't just make "iOS revenue x 2". Thanks :)
I think you're quoting the wrong person, but ok. Yeah, your point makes sense, I know how big it is in China too, but isn't Japan by far the biggest part of the revenue? I still don't know if x2 seems fair to get to that revenue.Like I said, I was talking about globally. And globally, as far as I remember the split is usually even (I hope Nirolak can show up with some data cuz I can't do the search right now). FGO is not just one of the top grossing mobile games in Japan. It's one of the top in NA and China too.
Ok, I'll be the first to say this, but these PS4 games underpeforming is not surprising when you compare them to PSP entries. PSP had actually decent HW sales, while PS4 has meh numbers. The platform itself was more friendly to japanese games and genres.ROTW will have to save VC4, arguably the launch platform has also resulted in much lost sales.
NSW version being day and date probably will help it a bit, but not by much given its limited install base for now. I think it could have doubled sales if NSW is day and date.
Given that the launch on NSW is delayed, the sales potential on NS will even be lower than than even.
i GUESS they really really needed to get this out before the FY is over.
Like I said, I was talking about globally. And globally, as far as I remember the split is usually even (I hope Nirolak can show up with some data cuz I can't do the search right now). FGO is not just one of the top grossing mobile games in Japan. It's one of the top in NA and China too.