To sell 6 million units it has to sell 2.4 million units in the west, that's 2.4 times what DQ9 sold
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Yes, that would expand the franchise even more in the west while still being the best sold DQ ever made WW. That would already be a fantastic results. Now the question is : is that possible ?
DQ11 isn't going to sell 2.4m in the west or even close to it.
Especially not with how little SE has put to market it and the game is pretty much still tailored for Japanese audience (as it should be).
At this point it's good enough if it can sell as much as DQ8 and DQ9 did in the west.
DQ 8/9 sold as much as they did on the two most successful pieces of hardware in the History of gaming, not really sure how people expect PS4/Steam to beat the monsters that were PS2/DS.
DQXI selling 2.4m in the west is nearly impossible, especially with a late Switch version. That would be more than Persona 5 has shipped worldwide. It would be just under what Nier Automata has shipped worldwide.
I just don't see it happening.
I just don't see it happening.
The problem with DQ11 in the west is that it is not really outstanding in any way and therefore it will be a problem for WoM to catch on. Nier, persona and yakuza all had something to be hyped about. Music, story, style , silliness and crazy side content.
DQ11 is just more DQ and that is ok for the most part (to be honest i didn't enjoy 11 that much) but it doesn't provide a striking quality besides being a classic formulare
DQ11 is just more DQ and that is ok for the most part (to be honest i didn't enjoy 11 that much) but it doesn't provide a striking quality besides being a classic formulare
Wut? I am literally saying the same thing. DQ9 is 1 mill in the west. Doing 2 million is what i think it should do to achieve the goal of expanding its IP. I am not even talking about jp sales here.
It is an argument in a world where Inazuma already showed a big decline entry-to-entry from 1m to <300k units. I don't think Inazuma audience cares much about graphics and Ares doesn't seem pushing the hardware.
If people are excited about the World Cup they will buy FIFA or Winning Eleven. The fact that other football arcade games exist and are successful is not necessarily a good thing because they are fighting for the same thing: gamers' time.
I'm so ready for the edge. Never played a game in the series but if this is good and they bring it over (which I'm sure they will), I'll try it out.
I think it's the main guy grown up?
At least from the art alone, seems like a big departure from the last
At least from the art alone, seems like a big departure from the last
It says "New main character" in the red speech bubble, so it's a new dude this game.
Above all else, DQXI's western potential is kneecapped by default compared to the reality of MHW's numbers because it's not a multiplayer game.
I think I understand the skepticism this time a lot more though. Like just speaking where I am in the UK for example almost everything with the words 'Dragon Quest' in the title has bombed so hard for years now. PlayStation, DS, 3DS it has mattered not, no one cares about it here. What one reason is there that will attract an audience with this iteration that prior titles did not have? Because I do not see a single one- just take a look at NNK2's numbers for a bad warning sign as far as I can guesstimate what will happen for DQXI.
-54% for AoT2 PS4 on Amazon :
https://www.amazon.co.jp/コーエーテクモゲーム...PMP240AYKZKECEJJPRTY&ref_=zg_bs_videogames_71
Bomba bins ?
https://www.amazon.co.jp/コーエーテクモゲーム...PMP240AYKZKECEJJPRTY&ref_=zg_bs_videogames_71
Bomba bins ?
Weird that the art style seems to depart so much.
Hope the in game visuals hold up.
Inazuma looked a bit rough last time I saw it and the turn around seemed a bit too quick with the release being slated for summer
The thing is MH:W is positioned as a co-op game with an MMO-ish grindy flavor, which, while not popular last time MH showed up on home consoles in the west, is popular these days. It also is an action game and launched in a "dead" period.
DQ is a turn-based RPG. Now, I'll grant that the current market environment floated P5, another turn-based RPG, up to 1.5 million or so in the west and that there is in this something of a possibility that DQ will meet more favorable market conditions than last time it was on a home console. It doesn't, however, share all the qualities that helped P5 sell: it isn't sexy nor super stylish, nor is it trending up. Instead it has the same sort of aesthetic, for which previous DQ are frequently lambasted and has had squalid results in the west since DQIX almost a decade ago.
The thing is DQ is aimed at a general audience in Japan and the general audience is not what is buying JRPG in the west other than FF or Pokemon. DQ didn't manage to break into that space in the 90s, when it was instead largely absent. So it is going to be judged on appeal to enthusiast audiences and DQ does terribly among, say, us, which is a crying shame, but is what it is.
I think DQXI's best chance of beating the "green fields and kiddy Dragon Ball characters, no story, too much grinding, boring combat, stuck in the past," rap is in a protagonist-oriented story, great graphics, improved production values over the Japanese release, and revamped combat. I don't know which of these qualities it has and to what extent as I haven't played it wrt some and as we haven't seen the fullness of the localization wrt others.
People seemed to suggest it is most comparable to VIII when the GAF import thread was going, which I'd take to mean there is more of a focus on the core characters than a more NPC/world oriented DQ like DQVII had. The graphics are nice but it is going to get kiddy/green fields complaints and already has in threads here. We know they will be adding voice acting but the music is going to stay midi. The combat is changed in the version coming over but we'll have to see if it takes more with people.
Beyond this though, it doesn't have a favorable release date. It also still is a single-player, turn-based JRPG.
I honestly dont think the aesthetic has much to do with why DQ hasn't caught on. Especially when there are other games like it that do catch on. With DQ, there's a lot of factors, but when you separate them, certain parts stand out as more problematic than others. Aesthetic? Not so much, methinks.
The Switch version has a standard 16% off and is also sold out
PS4 can't sell 3rd party games confirmed
It seems so. But it doesn't look like a smart idea. I would have chased a new younger audience while keeping some depth for older grown-up fans.
The third one introduces a new protagonist along with the old one but you can play with the same protagonist across each entry.
A further proof that third party games/genre typically not associated with Nintendo platforms can sell well on Switch and even better than PS4 counterparts.
Oh, that's interesting. As I expected, it seems they might be going for the same time slot as all other YW mainline games. This makes it quite possible that it releases in July.
KtSlime Thanks for linking the twitter account! Looks like stock is not freely available everywhere, although the general availability in stores and on amazon suggests that there aren't issues that limit sales by any meaningful factor imo.
The art style isn't actually new, it was used in a movie and the newest anime.
I don't think I was ready to see this haha.The art style isn't actually new, it was used in a movie and the newest anime.
Yes, perfect game for summer vacation. If it really releases in July, which is highly probable, Japanese Switch users are going to have an extremely busy July.
Edit
July 13th:
Octopath Traveler
Captain Toad
Splatoon Octo Expansion (rumored)
July 19th
Closed Nightmare (thanks CeroMiedo)
July 26th
Megaman X collection 1 and 2
Disgaea Refine
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I wish people would not just add PS4 + 3DS sales for DQXI total. They're two different games.
that low budget horror game from nis will also be available at july 19
Two NIS games confirmed for PS4 and Switch. They're leaving the Vita behind. It looks like Liar Princess and the Blind Prince will be their final game for the system.
-Closed Nightmare, a live-action horror adventure game, will be released on 19 July.
-Disgaea Refine, a HD remake of Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, will be released on 26 July.
The edge!
-Closed Nightmare, a live-action horror adventure game, will be released on 19 July.
-Disgaea Refine, a HD remake of Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, will be released on 26 July.
The edge!
4 means death...
With the Yo-Kai watch reveal we can officially say that Switch's year two line-up is potentially much stronger than 3DS's 2012.
In terms of major third party games we have:
- Octopath Traveler
- Yo-Kai Watch 4
- Taiko no Tatsujin
- Inazuma Eleven
- Dragon Quest Builders 2
- Minecraft Physical release
- Mario+Rabbids
I would say there is a tendency across these titles of targeting a younger demographic. All of these games have the potential of selling more than 200K. With Yo-Kai being a game that I think will end up selling more than DQM did back in 2012, DQB having the potential of selling more than 500K and the rest of the titles falling some where between 200-500K.
For reference the top selling 3rd party games on the 3DS in 2012:
Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D(Square Enix) - 919.870
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate(Capcom) - 602.058
Kingdom Hearts 3D - Dream Drop Distance(Square Enix) - 338.812
Run for Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-tachi kara Nigekire!(Bandai Namco) - 337.472
Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb(Bandai Namco) - 321.959
Resident Evil: Revelations(Capcom) - 296.040
Bravely Default: Flying Fairy(Square Enix) - 283.693
Harvest Moon: The Land of Origin(Marvelous) - 234.053
Professor Layton V. Ace Attorney(Level 5) - 219.454
Kobito Zukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set(Nippon Columbia) - 205.779
In terms of major third party games we have:
- Octopath Traveler
- Yo-Kai Watch 4
- Taiko no Tatsujin
- Inazuma Eleven
- Dragon Quest Builders 2
- Minecraft Physical release
- Mario+Rabbids
I would say there is a tendency across these titles of targeting a younger demographic. All of these games have the potential of selling more than 200K. With Yo-Kai being a game that I think will end up selling more than DQM did back in 2012, DQB having the potential of selling more than 500K and the rest of the titles falling some where between 200-500K.
For reference the top selling 3rd party games on the 3DS in 2012:
Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D(Square Enix) - 919.870
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate(Capcom) - 602.058
Kingdom Hearts 3D - Dream Drop Distance(Square Enix) - 338.812
Run for Money Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-tachi kara Nigekire!(Bandai Namco) - 337.472
Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb(Bandai Namco) - 321.959
Resident Evil: Revelations(Capcom) - 296.040
Bravely Default: Flying Fairy(Square Enix) - 283.693
Harvest Moon: The Land of Origin(Marvelous) - 234.053
Professor Layton V. Ace Attorney(Level 5) - 219.454
Kobito Zukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set(Nippon Columbia) - 205.779
right, but 2 millions maximum sales for DQXI arent the (how many?) 5 millions MHW is already seeing in the West (keeping selling)
Anybody else think this will be renamed in the west?
3 might not ever come here and with them using different designs, I'm thinking they might treat it as a reboot or spinoff here.
Thanks for the data compilation. I think those Switch games you listed will have no problem selling over 300k. IMO, Yokai Watch 4 is definitely selling 1m+, and Octopath Traveler will surprise people with very strong sales.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Inazuma Eleven went from 1m on DS to less than 500k on 3DS. Layton went to less than 700k on DS to 400k on 3DS.
Yo-kai Watch 3 sold originally 1.5m on 3DS. The Switch entry can settle around 700-800k units.
Youkai Watch 4's success will be heavily influenced by the popularity of the ShadowSide anime. YW4 is not a guaranteed decline compared to YW3.
As for Inazuma Eleven, the shift from DS to 3DS coincided with the launch of a new series, just like now. After the series' hiatus, it's hard to say how well the game will do. It will depend a lot on the anime's popularity as well. I don't expect Ares to do as well as the original DS trilogy or even GO Shine/Dark, but we should wait and see how the anime does before we start predicting its sales.
As for Inazuma Eleven, the shift from DS to 3DS coincided with the launch of a new series, just like now. After the series' hiatus, it's hard to say how well the game will do. It will depend a lot on the anime's popularity as well. I don't expect Ares to do as well as the original DS trilogy or even GO Shine/Dark, but we should wait and see how the anime does before we start predicting its sales.
It does have the advantage that it will sell many more units than Vita in the long run, so its legs should be way better. The game goes from 3 SKUs to 2, so sales are more concentrated in the platforms, and furthermore Switch is a much stronger platforms than the three DQB1 released on. As such, I definitely expect Switch take sell way more than Vita, and I think 500k is a low estimate. 700k-850k is what I expect. I will quote some of my other posts regarding this topic when I'm back at my computer.
Edit: Here are some of my posts I think are relevant to the discussion:
General expectations and reasoning:
On the legs of DQB1:
As you can see, the Switch version of DQB1 seems to be having decidedly stronger legs than the other versions. As such, I definitely expect DQB2 to have stronger legs than its PS4 counterpart, and than the launch SKUs for DQB1.
On the potential for the Switch SKU's strong performance and on the issue of current install base:
Finally, on my expectations for the game:
I expect the game to sell 1M-1.2M combined, with 700k-850k for the Switch version.
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