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Media Create Sales: Week 29, 2018 (Jul 16 - Jul 22)
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But like....
Fire Emblem Heroes just made $300M and will climb past $1B one day.
So people weren't expecting a mid-budget SRPG.
Damn you've been on the warpath today but this is your most transparent comment of them all. And that's saying something. Even an aggravating and childish emoticon to boot.
Kinda sad.
That's right, businesses do not expand when their product becomes far more successful.
The success of Fire Emblem Heroes is that of Fire Emblem Heroes, not that of a console SRPG.
Fair enough. I'm still a bit doubtful due to Fates and the genre itself, but that's obviously great news if you're right.
Yeah and Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp is a disappointment in that regard so I guess the next mainline AC is gonna be a low-budget game.
Do you mean it in a Fire Emblem specific context or a general context to sequels then? Because I don't really get where that confidence in "50%+ growth is typical" comes from tbh. Not to be offensive; I genuinely don't get it.
It doesn't need to be a big budget. I think with a tasteful artstyle (that would match the character design, for one) you could have the same kind of environment look way better. Here everything look so... grey and brown, with awful textures, and so empty too. It's actually shocking how much it looks like the Gamecube game in the overview. Then when it zooms it gets better.
Even the castle looked really empty and brown.
Even the castle looked really empty and brown.
The goal of FE Heroes, like all their mobile games, is (highly profitable) digital marketing for the console games, not subsidising them to the tune of the massive dev costs required to jump from AA to AAA. That investment would be highly unlikely to pay off in terms of increased sales.
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You can compare 3DS and Switch sales.
Just to chip in on the Fire Emblem discussion, the game's budget is upped significantly. Don't expect Nintendo to aim for a million more sales. They're probably targeting a 4 plus million shipment on tbis one and to be fair they've handled the franchise pretty well with awakening, Fates and the mobile game.
Like I said, that's one of the goals, profit, IP promotion and audience awareness go hand in hand. I was recalling this, taken from an interview with Time a week before FEH launched.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-discusses-mobile-strategy-switch-backward/1100-6447649/
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I don't deny they want to promote their IP through the mobile applications, but they did mobile because of the money. There are many ways to bring their IPs to public eyes, mobile was chosen as a pillar because of how much money it makes.
FEH didn't really promote Shadow of Valentia or Warriors at all.
Sure, I mean, mobile is huge, no argument there. Any strategy hitting multiple goals at once has to be a good one, happy to concede the point there.
FEH had FE Warriors maps around the launch of the latter game introducing reinforcements mechanics to represent huge enemy numbers, and Alm/Celica etc definitely appeared around the launch of SoV.
Mario Tennis Ace shipments were 300k, and Donkey Kong 240k in Japan by the end of June.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2018/180731_2e.pdf
There are more ways to expand a series and its reach than making the visuals of the next main entry more pretty.
If significantly increased production values were justified in terms of the expected increase in sales, that could have happened without the existence of Fire Emblem Heroes and all that money too. They're separate decisions.
1. Lots of people get interested in Fire Emblem through its impossibly successfully mobile game
2. Better not try to capitalize on that by making our next game high budget and more attractive to our new consumers.
IDK, seems weird.
Why are you assuming that people who got into Fire Emblem through the mobile game are only (or primarily) interested in super high-end visuals? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The gameplay is the core of the experience, so if you want to convert those new players, it stands to reason that the best way to do so is to make the gameplay of Three Houses really good and effectively communicate why people who got into the series with the mobile game would enjoy it.
Thanks for that slide, I had missed it. Nintendo actually shipped a lot more of MTA than I expected by the end of June. If digital was 15% of that total that would mean the game got 45K digital sales in it's launch month, while 10% would translate to 30K.
Mobile success does not translate to AAA efforts. I don't know how you arrived at this logic.
This is like saying that just because a book/show/game is popular, then the movie based on it needs to be a high-budget blockbuster to reflect it.
Stronger than last year with Splatoon, Mario & Rabbids (Monster Hunter XX in Japan) and Pokken?
I don't think so.
Sales will be better than Q1 2018, but still, I believe lower than Q2 2017.
Q3 and Q4 will probably be stronger with the games coming.
This year we have the localization of Monster Hunter XX, we had Octopath Traveler (very succesful), Captain Toad (surprisingly succesful) and a new Labo kit (though that is a wild card)
Do you guys think Splatoon 2's sales in the West and in Japan will take a hit once the pay-to-play online service launches in September?
I doubt it. This is the only place making a huge deal about $20 a year. For everyone else it's whatever
For me, personally, I am for sure buying it - I really want to play Splatoon/Smash/Mario Kart etc and $20 is not a biggie.
But the way reddit and all talk about it is as if no one there is going to buy it, with hundreds of upvotes to those saying they are not getting it till Nintendo has a better online system and such.
I really hope it doesn't have a huge effect on the game's online community and sales and stuff.
The only title that can move hardware of these is Octopath Traveler. Last year titles were stronger hardware movers.
it might since splatoon, mario odyssey, physical mindcraft etc are out, and smash/pokemon hype.
or it easily might not.
Japan will definitely be down it seems.
anybody know NPDs for summer months 2017?
(you also didn't mention Fortnite since you're talking worldwide)
Europe was a big factor here. Fates ended up bombing in Europe (unlike Awakening, which sold roughly about the same in Europe as in the US), due to a 3 month delay that made it miss that crucial April window that worked so well for previous 3DS JRPG releases. People gave up on it and lost interest by that point over here and sales didn't come close to Awakening as a result.
Despite the very disappointing visuals, I fully expect Three Houses to easily outsell Awakening and become the best selling entry in the series. 3 million seems like a very achievable target worldwide.
"Fire Emblem should sell 5 million copies" is the new "DS games should sell 500k units to be successful".
I'm pretty sure you could find the same for PS Plus. People have shown that they do not mind paying $60 for online, so they definitely won't mind paying $20.
... And it's gone. New shipment on August 13th according to Amazon page.
Also, Switch SKUs are noticeably higher in the top 100 ranking than they normally are. Is that pre-sales for the holidays already or something else?
The market has shown that millions are willing to pay for online. Everything else is just gamer hot air.
03./04. [NSW] Splatoon 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - 21.913 / 2.469.695 (+7%)
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Undertale confirmed for September 15th :
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/0d8b4c6e-9164-11e8-b123-063b7ac45a6d.html
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https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/0d8b4c6e-9164-11e8-b123-063b7ac45a6d.html
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Depending on the discounts paid subs get, it might actually save money for people who purchase a lot of games. A 10% discount for all gaming purchases for example would save you $24 if you purchase 4 full priced titles digitally.
Overall I don't anticipate paid online will hurt any games's sales, I think it might even help some games sell more. Imagine Nintendo running a 30% discount for Splatoon 2 on the Japanese eShop and subscribers being able to purchase games at 40% off - that's a pretty huge discount for Nintendo 1st party games which generally maintain their price.
I think the paywall will have 0 influence on software sales.
No but I do remember people saying or implying this during Neogaf era around 2006-2009.
There are several other benefits, people are not paying for online only, but even if they were, they are getting the best online experience possible. Nintendo is charging for subpar online play.
People are not stupid.
I think many Nintendo fans will just sign up for the Classic games ....online play will be just a bonus for the non-hardcore players.
20 bucks a year is literally nothing .....even kids will be able to get those gift cards as presents to keep them afloat for another years.
ERA like always is making a big deal about the negatives, which is fair...but most regular customers will see that they are getting access to classic titles like Mario and Zelda + more sales for less than two bucks a month.
If the sales are somewhat split the subscription will pay for itself in a matter of months for for people who buy stuff on the eShop.
20 bucks a year is literally nothing .....even kids will be able to get those gift cards as presents to keep them afloat for another years.
ERA like always is making a big deal about the negatives, which is fair...but most regular customers will see that they are getting access to classic titles like Mario and Zelda + more sales for less than two bucks a month.
If the sales are somewhat split the subscription will pay for itself in a matter of months for for people who buy stuff on the eShop.