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Media Create Sales: Week 29, 2019 (Jul 15 - Jul 21)
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It's kind of bizarre though that basically no SRPG series has attempted to mimic FE Awakening and Fates. They've just mostly continued as they were before (many FFTs inspired games for example) or their own unique takes on the genre like Valkyria Chronicles. Fire Emblem apparently even now with its success just doesn't exist to other Japanese developers.
Preach.
The crazy part is that it will never end, no matter how much support plattform X receives....because a certain portion of the thread will never be satisfied unless there is parity even though there are massive differences between both relevant plattforms.
I think part of the problem is costs. The companies that can match FE don't seem to make SRPGs anymore, and the ones that do seem to have some other issue. Sega falls into the latter. VC might not be as expansive as 3H, but it looks the part. And they aren't going to even try with Sakura Wars even though it's more closer to 3H than anything else out there.
There are other successful SRPGs but they are Western made (M+R and XCOM come to mind)
FE is one franchise within the SRPG genre. It's mostly dead outside of it.
One franchise selling good doesn't mean the whole genre is healthy.
Sounds a bit like a certain game about hunting monsters that everyone is convinced Japanese publishers should be emulating.
Many tried to emulate MH formula, to no avail. I don't know why it would be smart to try to emulate a less successful formula like FE.
Yokai Watch was successful at emulate Pokemon, for a time, before the nosedive we all witnessed recently.
God Eater and Toukiden were plenty successful(especially the former) and their declines are almost entirely self inflicted.
Weirdly there's no shortage of games taking influence from Persona despite it being a less successful than FE.
CH is hilarious because they were quite clearly happy to ignore Switch completely until Sony started censoring their games.
that's not weird since RPGs are a more accessible and popular genre than SRPGs. they got the formula down well enough that there are plenty of budget persona clones
They're a dev/brand, it's more Idea Factory as the publisher. There's a bunch more mid sized console pubs really (Arc System Works, Konami, SNK, D3 Publisher, 5pb/Mages, Gungho Online, Cygames, Kadokawa, etc).
What are these many FFT-inspired games I apparently missed? I need them. Pretty much all SRPGs I've seen lately have been super, super light on the strategy/tactics. And with FE3H mostly doing away with the weapons triangle and other traditional FE staples it lost one of the main reasons that tactics were actually crucial in past FE games.
Owning a minority stake in a different company is a sign of trust in that company, and the purchase usually happens alongside a project deal in Japan. Nintendo's 5% in Cygames is a sign of trust toward their development capabilities for Dragalia Lost. Nintendo and DeNA also bought minority stakes in each other when they signed the deal for five mobile games and the Nintendo Switch Online + MyNintendo environment. Owning a small portion of a company means you trust in their skills and in their management and vision. To really change the vision of the company, you need a much bigger stake and basically 'own' the company. For Nintendo, it also means they're betting on multiple horses. If the Switch or any of their console systems failed/fails, they're still invested in other businesses who aren't dependent on the success of Nintendo's own systems. Nintendo's 5% stake in Cygames doesn't mean Cygames can't/won't release games for other platforms anymore, and Nintendo (let alone the other shareholders) shouldn't want that either.
In general lines FFT kind of became the default template for most SRPG series that only started after it. Even something like Disgaea is clearly derived from it when you look at the general map and class/unit design style, even if art-wise it's completely different and there's the focus on huge power leveling. The upcoming Digimon Survive for example likely won't take after it as far as unit/class design goes since it has to follow digimon conventions there, but the map design (and so for example size of ally and enemy teams) seems clearly influenced by it.
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Nagoshi representing SEGA at the switch reveal event and then all his projects skipping switch is weird. Think he mentioned working on something specifically for switch at the show.
Wonder if some publishers got cold feet between the reveal event and launch, cancelling everything before the system launched...which would be weird since it was a success out the gate.
Atlus is usually slow, not sure what/when their first major 3DS title launches.
Wikipedia says they released an enhanced DS game year 1 and then Etrian Odyssey a year and a half later.
The P team trying their hardest not to support switch with vita getting more support.
Guess SMTV isn't cancelled yet, but probably won't remain exclusive
Which makes me wonder of the real impact of Sony censoring on the japanese market. I remember reading about it was "awful" because it would kill many devs and games.
It goes without saying that Sony being less leniant about their censoring policies is the absolute right thing to do, but what about the real impact when it comes to sales and all those "concern" ? I feel like there is mostly none impact whatsoever and it's just a win-win situation for everyone, except a handful of people. I hope Nintendo will do the same too.
I think this theory never made a lot of sens. The truth is elsewhere.
Wait what ? Why should SMTV get canceled or goes multi ? What did I miss ?
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Wasn't Nagoshi kinda butthurt about Nintendo rejecting Yakuza? Not surprising if his projects are skipping the platforms. And it'll be a riot if SMTV is multi-platform while Persona 5 remains exclusive. I think Atlus can say goodbye to their fan base on Nintendo platforms.
Regarding Bamco, I think is Harada wanting the games on the high-end console and nothing else, even if the game could run on Switch. Mostly the same as Nagoshi. I didn't understood why Sakura Taisen wasn't coming, but when I saw Nagoshi at the last presentation I said: "Oh, that's the reason".
I've had a time to think about it, and really the weapon triangle is not actually that tactical. By the end of most fire emblem games, you can safely ignore it's affects on you while taking advantage of it to just make enemies enter a meat grinder.
Nintendo never rejected Yakuza (as far as I'm aware). the 1+2 ports on the wii u bombed, so they noped out of any future game on Nintendo systems
SMTV isn't getting cancelled nor getting multiplat, this is nonsense.
How's a win-win situation? Nobody wins anything with those irregular policies.
What's irregular about those policies ? They seem pretty clear to me.
Dark Souls Remastered.
FS games are bound to publishers, something like Dark Souls needs Bandai Namco approval since they co-own the IP.
Sakura Wars is at 200k views and only 116 dislikes.
People aren't really reacting negatively to the change.
Not sure if this will be good, but people aren't really against the idea.
People aren't really reacting negatively to the change.
Not sure if this will be good, but people aren't really against the idea.
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So zero support. An outsourced game that came out on Switch 5 months later for no apparent reason.
I mean, if one game means zero support i'll take it lol
Pretty sure there is a reason if the game skipped Nintendo Switch day one, maybe because the port was outsourced to Virtuos unlike the PS4/One and PC version that were made by QLOC? And like i said, Dark Souls Remastered is a Namco Bandai product at the end, FS only collected royalities and nothing more.
And i don't know what do you expect to see from From when all their games post-Dark Souls 3 entered in production one year before NSW release or they are PS4 exclusives like Deraciné.
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If we start counting games from previous generatios as serious effort Capcom will turn into one of Switch major publishers.
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Who mentioned the reasons, you can list as many as you want and be reasonable or not, the support will remain zero.
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Tekken 7 runs 720p in Xbox One for unexplained reasons, maybe they just don't program well.
Arguing about From Software's lack of Switch support is kind of weird.
Sekiro is a wildly successful game so it worked out fine and the game struggles badly on the base PS4 (at least in its first month when I played it, maybe it was patched since) so it probably would have been hard to port.
Sekiro is a wildly successful game so it worked out fine and the game struggles badly on the base PS4 (at least in its first month when I played it, maybe it was patched since) so it probably would have been hard to port.
It'd be a port of the 360 version regardless, remastered or no remastered in the title.
By end game, yes. But most of the game is not end game and you must be weary of the weapon triangle for most of the game. Whereas very very early in FE3H you can get access to large AoE heals and large AoE buff that gives +5 movement which basically takes away anything that could be considered a challenge. For players such as myself who love hard challenging SRPGs there hasn't been much of anything in awhile that could compare with FFT.
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Like I said it won't make a difference it someone sees only what he wants to see.
The conclusion for Switch third party support three years in is that there is a drastical increase at output from 3DS and WIi U, physical and digital, competing or surpassing Sony consoles in quantity for first time in many years.
What is strange is that this increase comes mainly from publishers connected to Sony before. Traditional bigger players that were closer to Nintendo treat Switch many times as secondary console, leaving it out of AA/AAA line like Bandai Namco or ignoring it completely like Capcom.
When I said end, I meant anything past the first quarter. Like actually look at the bonuses for weapon triangle. They are nothing, especially as your units start leveling up and juicing. Heroes actually has an implementation that makes it useful.
Besides difficulty in most SRPGs collapses as you play including FFT.
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They did reject the first entry. In regards to the first Yakuza game on PS2:
And yes, the Wii U versions did flop. Though that's not the only reason Nagoshi does not hold Nintendo platforms in high regards.
This is because Switch is seen a new PlayStation Vita by japanese publishers, no? Project that were available on PlayStation 4/PlayStation Vita are now PlayStation 4/Switch (or will become next year), but PlayStation 4/Xbox One/PC projects aren't released on Switch.
I dont think its that strange actually. With Sony not making another handheld and Switch being the successor to the 3DS, many of those companies sees the Switch as a platform with potential. The only strange thing i think might be why some of the AA-games arent getting a Switch version.
I know honor is a big thing in Japan and there could even be an argument for not splitting your player base. But with costs rising and market shrinking multiplatform releases, simultaneous or otherwise should be a matter of survival if you are just looking at domestic console sales.
PC and West will save the big guys but the small and mid tier companies need to make this central to how they do things.
PC and West will save the big guys but the small and mid tier companies need to make this central to how they do things.
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These companies didn't support 3DS so Switch being its successor means nothing. Even Switch being seen as 3DS successor is discussable. Sony made effort to move entire third party development from Vita to PS4 as the only reliable solution, having big cost for many traditional handheld IPs. Most of these developers jumping to Switch wasn't the expected outcome.
Yeah, thats true, i just mean that since many of these companies supported the Vita, and Sony dropped out out the handheld space, the Switch was the only next alternative/successor in that regards. And trying out PS4 only as you mentioned might not have given a good enough result. Personally, i think thats one reason for the extra Switch support at least. And like Alandring mentioned, many of the PS3(PS4)/Vita multiplatform games are now PS4/Switch instead. I dont know what the expected outcome was a few years ago right around Switch's launch, but i though you ment that it was strange how things unfolded after the Switch was released, so i replied based on that, but maybe that isnt what you ment?
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