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schuelma

Member
Oct 24, 2017
5,901
Is World of Final Fantasy Maxima not getting a retail release in Japan? I haven't seen pre orders open on amazon.
 

Clov

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,929
I'm surprised that Torna is that low. I guess most of the people who got it just got it through the Expansion Pass.
 

Mpl90

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,215
Is World of Final Fantasy Maxima not getting a retail release in Japan? I haven't seen pre orders open on amazon.

The Japanese price is set at 5,800 Yen + taxes for all SKUs, and the Expansion pack for PS4 and Steam is at 3,400 Yen, so I doubt it's digital-only. Weird that preorders haven't started yet though, true.

https://www.jp.square-enix.com/WOFF/MAXIMA/

This is the official website btw. If anyone can help with translations of specific parts that could help understanding whether it's physical or not, it'd be great :D
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
I always viewed npd numbers as kind of a joke since they are so infrequent and don't actually report sales but instead some earnings value that is completely coiffed by the publisher?

I'm sure if they were to give numbers to Japanese analytics groups they would want some sort of control over the messaging, and that deal probably isn't good for Media Create and Enterbrain.
NPD does report unit sales, but as MatPiscatella mentions, units don't track trends. And they put out rankings by revenue, what games are making the most money at retail
 

test_account

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,645
I always viewed npd numbers as kind of a joke since they are so infrequent and don't actually report sales but instead some earnings value that is completely coiffed by the publisher?

I'm sure if they were to give numbers to Japanese analytics groups they would want some sort of control over the messaging, and that deal probably isn't good for Media Create and Enterbrain.
What do you mean with infrequent? That its only once a month?
 

test_account

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,645
probably meant real, solid sales figures, not just rankings and chart %s
I see. Like ILikeFeet mentioned, NPD does track unit sales as well. I think they just report on earnings because they feel that its more representable (like some game might be on sale for $20, while another might be $60, or even $80+ for limited editions etc.).
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
Tracking revenue avoids issues like "bayonetta sold 1M units! Why was the sequel canceled?"
 

Boiled Goose

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
9,999
I see. Like ILikeFeet mentioned, NPD does track unit sales as well. I think they just report on earnings because they feel that its more representable (like some game might be on sale for $20, while another might be $60, or even $80+ for limited editions etc.).

I do think revenue is far more useful. Not only accounts for discounts but could even track things like dlc
 

konoka

Member
Dec 20, 2017
387
The Japanese price is set at 5,800 Yen + taxes for all SKUs, and the Expansion pack for PS4 and Steam is at 3,400 Yen, so I doubt it's digital-only. Weird that preorders haven't started yet though, true.

https://www.jp.square-enix.com/WOFF/MAXIMA/

This is the official website btw. If anyone can help with translations of specific parts that could help understanding whether it's physical or not, it'd be great :D
"また各プラットフォーム、ダウンロード販売のみです。"
only digital on every platform.
 

ZSaberLink

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,678
I always viewed npd numbers as kind of a joke since they are so infrequent and don't actually report sales but instead some earnings value that is completely coiffed by the publisher?

I'm sure if they were to give numbers to Japanese analytics groups they would want some sort of control over the messaging, and that deal probably isn't good for Media Create and Enterbrain.
NPD tracks everything still. It's just that they no longer report unit sales publicly. If a company pays the boatload of money for the reports (apart from leaks), all that info seems to be in there.
 

KtSlime

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,910
Tokyo
NPD tracks everything still. It's just that they no longer report unit sales publicly. If a company pays the boatload of money for the reports (apart from leaks), all that info seems to be in there.

Sorry, I worded it poorly, I meant that they don't make that info public.

What do you mean with infrequent? That its only once a month?

Yeah, once a month is not frequent enough. I am sure they have much more granular data, but if that data is not readily available, then it is useless.

I prefer the way the Japanese analytics companies do it, and while it is unfortunate that they do not have access to digital sales, I am sure there is a good reason they don't want to make whatever concession to the publishers to get that information.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
Sorry, I worded it poorly, I meant that they don't make that info public.



Yeah, once a month is not frequent enough. I am sure they have much more granular data, but if that data is not readily available, then it is useless.

I prefer the way the Japanese analytics companies do it, and while it is unfortunate that they do not have access to digital sales, I am sure there is a good reason they don't want to make whatever concession to the publishers to get that information.
NPD comes from retailers as sell-through. Much like Japanese analysis data
 

test_account

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,645
Tracking revenue avoids issues like "bayonetta sold 1M units! Why was the sequel canceled?"
I do think revenue is far more useful. Not only accounts for discounts but could even track things like dlc
Good points.

I must admit that i do find it more interesting to know the units rather than revenue.



Yeah, once a month is not frequent enough. I am sure they have much more granular data, but if that data is not readily available, then it is useless.

I prefer the way the Japanese analytics companies do it, and while it is unfortunate that they do not have access to digital sales, I am sure there is a good reason they don't want to make whatever concession to the publishers to get that information.
I understand. I agree that weekly data is better, but i dont think monthly data is really that much worse either. Only downside to that is the longer wait :) And i agree that units is more interesting than revenue.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,300
Why are people surprised by Torna? It's not actually a "bad" performance considering the physical version probably makes up a super small portion of people since the majority would have it with the DLC already. I actually guess it's mostly double dippers who wanted the cartridge for collection.
 

Mpl90

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,215
Comgnet comparisons, as of September 27th, 2018

[NSW] Fire Emblem Warriors - 21pt
[PS4] Dynasty Warriors 9 - 113pt
[NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition - 13pt
[PS4] Warriors Orochi 4 - 90pt
[NSW] Warriors Orochi 4 - 23pt

[PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III - 53pt + 40pt = 93pt
[PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV - 60pt + 39pt = 99pt

[PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare - 80pt
[PS4] Call of Duty: WWII - 141pt
[PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII - 82pt

[PSV] Utawarerumono: The Two Harukos - 43pt + 24pt = 67pt
[PS4] Utawarerumono: The Two Harukos - 30pt + 22pt = 52pt
[PS4] Utawarerumono: Chiriyukusha e no Komoriuta - 15pt
[PSV] Utawarerumono: Chiriyukusha e no Komoriuta - 9pt
[PS4] Utawarerumono Zan - 25pt + 25pt = 50pt

[PS4] Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 - 49pt
[NSW] Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch - 19pt
[PS4] Dragon Ball FighterZ - 51pt
[NSW] Dragon Ball FighterZ - 18pt

Note: in the past few years, the ratio between preorder points and thousands of units sold have costantly decreased, and the past few months saw several examples of a much lower ratio than usual for several games (i.e. more actual thousands sold per preorder point), considering their platforms and genres (The Last Guardian, Poochy and Yoshi's Wolly World, Nioh, Final Fantasy XV as the first major examples).

* the original Attack on Titan from KT displayed a very high actual sales / final COMG preorder pts ratio: the Vita version ended with 30pts (regular version), the PS4 one with 24pts (regular version) at best, buth both SKUs debuted at over 60,000 copies in their first week. This might've happened due to advertising impacting on-the-spot purchases; there is no certainty we're going to see a similar phenomenon with AoT2, which means we could see a lower purchases / preorders ratio.


Note: Super Mario Party's comparison will be added later.
 

Wander_

Banned
Feb 26, 2018
5,552
Why are people surprised by Torna? It's not actually a "bad" performance considering the physical version probably makes up a super small portion of people since the majority would have it with the DLC already. I actually guess it's mostly double dippers who wanted the cartridge for collection.

it bombed hard everywhere and it's a nintendo fault since they don't know how to promote in the right way things that are not Mario or Zelda games. Torna trailer reveal on youtube has 180k views, I feel bad atm, monolith deserve better.

also, famitsu shared the % and it's <20-40>
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
it bombed hard everywhere and it's a nintendo fault since they don't know how to promote in the right way things that are not Mario or Zelda games. Torna trailer reveal on youtube has 180k views, I feel bad atm, monolith deserve better.

also, famitsu shared the % and it's <20-40>
It's been advertised as downloadable dlc since day one of the game. The news of a physical version didn't come until many people already bought the DLC.
 

Boiled Goose

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
9,999
Good points.

I must admit that i do find it more interesting to know the units rather than revenue.




I understand. I agree that weekly data is better, but i dont think monthly data is really that much worse either. Only downside to that is the longer wait :) And i agree that units is more interesting than revenue.

Of course getting both would be the best. Size of base and enthusiasm of base.
 

DrWong

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,098
At least, in Japan, ranking by units comes with numbers. NPD doesn't share revenues numbers, just ranking and some nebulous % (per super genre and so on), so it's way less useful.
 

test_account

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,645
Of course getting both would be the best. Size of base and enthusiasm of base.
I was thinking more about what we get now, where the japanese chart only accounts for units, and NPD doesnt give unit sales. I prefer unit sales between those two. Or did you just mean it as a general statement. But yeah, getting both would of course be the best indeed :)
 

silpheed-mcd

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,384
SWITCH GAMES, Ranking Sales, Japan, 2018 (Sep 17 - Sep 23)


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Media-Create: 98 games (+2)
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01 - Splatoon 2 (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} - 2.631.538
02 - Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo) (2017.10.27) - 1.817.116
03 - Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) (2017.04.28) - 1.768.152
04 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) (2017.03.03) - 1.117.445
05 - Kirby Star Allies (Nintendo) {2018.03.16} - 618.914
05 - 1-2-Switch (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} – 445.228
07 - ARMS (Nintendo) (2017.06.16) – 406.645
08 - Mario Tennis Aces (Nintendo) {2018.06.22} - 348.492
09 - Minecraft (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} - 291.062
10 - Pokken Tournament DX (Pokemon Co.) (2017.09.22) - 262.871
11 - Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} - 222.514
12 - Monster Hunter Double Cross: Nintendo Switch Ver. (Capcom) (2017.08.25) - 214.492
13 - Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.07.19} - 200.542 (over 200k)
14 - Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Nintendo) {2018.05.03} - 193.708
15 - Octopath Traveler (Square Enix) {2018.07.13} - 188.238
16 - Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (Nintendo) (2017.12.01) - 181.254
17 - Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle (Nintendo) {2018.01.18} - 167.333
18 - Super Bomberman R (Konami) (2017.03.03) – 145.029
19 - Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) (2017.09.07) – 141.100
20 - Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} - 122.376
21 - FIFA 18 (Electronic Arts) (2017.09.29) - 111.324
22 - The Snack World: TreJarers Gold (Level 5) {2018.04.12} - 88.623
23 - Pro Baseball Famista Evolution (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.02} - 82.581
24 - Dragon Quest Heroes I & II for Nintendo Switch (Square Enix) (2017.03.03) – 75.309
25 - Puyo Puyo Tetris S (Sega) (2017.03.03) - 71.742
26 - Fire Emblem Warriors (Koei Tecmo) (2017.09.28) – 68.263
27 - Seiken Densetsu Collection (Square Enix) (2017.06.01) – 51.973
28 - Sumikko Gurashi: Sumikko Park e Youkoso (Nippon Columbia) (2017.12.07) - 47.989
29 - Snipperclips Plus (Nintendo) {2017.11.10} - 47.124
30 - Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 02: Robot Kit (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} - 44.911
31 - Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition (Koei Tecmo) {2018.03.22} - 40.408
32 - Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Capcom) (2017.05.26) – 39.316
33 - My Hero Academia: One's Justice (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.23} - 36.261
34 - Dragon Quest Builders (Square Enix) {2018.03.01} - 35.116
35 - Attack on Titan 2 (Koei Tecmo) {2018.03.15} - 30.194
36 - Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} - 30.097 (11.694 Climax Edition)
37 - Dragon Quest X: All in One Package (Square Enix) (2017.09.21) - 27.204
38 - Dragon Quest X: 5000-nen no Harukanaru Kokyou e Online (Square Enix) (2017.11.16) - 27.174
39 - Minna de Wai Wai! Spelunker (Square Enix) (2017.04.20) - 25.563
40 - One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.12.21} - 23.014
41 - Disgaea 5 Complete (Nippon Ichi Software) {2017.03.03} - 20.514
42 - LEGO City Undercover (Warner Entertainment Japan) (2017.06.29) - 20.479
43 - Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Marvelous) (2017.07.20) - 20.084
44 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda Softworks) {2018.02.01} - 19.547
45 - Okami HD (Capcom) {2018.08.09} - 18.848
46 - I am Setsuna (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} - 18.237
47 - Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and the Millionaire's Conspiracy DX (Level 5) {2018.08.09} - 17.150
48 - Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 03: Drive Kit (Nintendo) {2018.09.14} - 16.926 (+9)
49 - Rockman X Anniversary Collection 1+2 (Capcom) {2018.07.26} - 16.207
50 - SD Gundam G Generation: Genesis for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.04.26} - 16,168
51 - Cars 3: Driven to Win (Warner Entertainment Japan) (2017.07.20) - 14.697
52 - One Piece: Unlimited World Red – Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) (2017.08.24) - 13.886
53 - Lost Sphear (Square Enix) (2017.10.12) - 13.441
54 - Resident Evil: Revelations Collection (Capcom) (2017.11.30) - 13.828
55 - Steins;Gate Elite (5pb.) {2018.09.20} - 13.305 (NEW)
56 - PriPara All Idol Perfect Stage! (Takara Tomy) {2018.03.22} - 12.426
57 - Little Dragons Cafe (Marvelous) {2018.08.30} - 11.860
58 - Bayonetta - Climax Edition (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} - 11.694
59 - Sonic Forces (Sega) (2017.11.09) - 11.621
60 - NBA 2K18 (Take-Two Interactive Japan) (2017.10.17) - 11.079
61 - Nobunaga's Ambition: Taishi (Koei Tecmo) (2017.11.30) - 10.076
62 - SaGa: Scarlet Grace (Square Enix) {2018.08.02} - 9.586
63 - Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo) {2017.03.03} - 9.419
64 - Resident Evil: Revelations (Capcom) {2017.11.30} - 9.284
65 - LEGO Worlds (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.11.22} - 9.276
66 - Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon (Koei Tecmo) (2017.08.31) - 9.049
67 - Musou Orochi 2: Ultimate (Koei Tecmo) {2017.11.09} - 8.941
68 - Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (Nippon Ichi Software) {2018.06.28} - 8.620
69 - Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings (Koei Tecmo) {2017.12.21} - 8.259
70 - Rockman Classics Collection 1+2 (Capcom) {2018.05.24} - 8.093
71 - Monopoly for Nintendo Switch (Ubisoft) {2017.11.09} - 8.072
72 - Little Nightmares: Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.06.07} - 7.776
73 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Hou (Entergram) {2018.07.26} - 7.631
74 - Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido (Nintendo) {2018.06.08} - 7.562
75 - Champion Jockey Special (Koei Tecmo) (2017.09.14) - 7.282
76 - Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm Legacy for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.04.26} - 6.682
77 - Liar Princess and the Blind Prince (Nippon Ichi Software) {2018.05.31} - 6.412
78 - Gear.Club Unlimited (3goo) {2017.12.14} - 6.237
79 - Undertale (8-4) {2018.09.15} - 5.990
80 - Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo) {2017.03.30} - 5.805
81 - Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna - The Golden Country (Nintendo) {2018.09.21} - 5.697 (NEW)
82 - Azure Striker Gunvolt: Striker Pack (Inti Creates) {2017.08.31} - 5.686
83 - Winning Post 8 2018 (Koei Tecmo) {2018.03.15} - 5.668
84 - Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru (Koei Tecmo) {2017.11.09} - 5.547
85 - The LEGO Ninjago Movie Video Game (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.10.19} - 5.501
86 - SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy (SNK) {2018.09.06} - 5.493
87 - Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires (Koei Tecmo) {2017.11.09} - 4.488
88 - BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle (Arc System Works) {2018.05.31} - 4.271
89 - Rockman X Anniversary Collection (Capcom) {2018.07.26} - 4.246
90 - Dragon Quest X: All in One Package Ver.1-4 (Square Enix) {2018.07.26} - 4.020
91 - Shining Resonance Refrain (Sega) {2018.07.12} - 3.465
92 - Shantae: Half-Genie Hero - Ultimate Edition (Oizumi Amuzio) {2018.05.31} - 3.303
93 - Portal Knights (Spike Chunsoft) {2018.04.19} - 3.226
94 - Neo Atlas 1469 (Artdink) {2018.04.19} - 3.176
95 - God Wars: Nihon Shinwa Taisen (Kadokawa Games) {2018.06.14} - 2.967
96 - Farming Simulator: Nintendo Switch Edition (Oizumi Amuzio) {2017.12.14} - 2.156
97 - Asonde Shogi ga Tsuyokunaru! Ginsei Shogi DX (SilverStar) {2017.12.14} - 1.713
98 - L.A. Noire (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2017.12.07} - 1.710

Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit + Robot Kit + Drive Kit: 284.351

Famitsu: 104 games (+4)
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001 - Splatoon 2 (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} – 2.666.247 + 204.646 digital = 2.870.893
002 - Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} – 1.803.867 + 120.619 digital = 1.924.486
003 - Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} – 1.776.016 + 119.169 digital = 1.895.185
004 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} – 1.083.422 + 78.115 digital = 1.161.537
005 - Kirby Star Allies (Nintendo) {2018.03.16} - 601.602 + 50.097 digital = 651.699
006 - Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition physical version (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.28} + digital version (Microsoft Game Studios) {2017.05.12} – 292.277 + 303.794 digital = 596.071
007 - 1-2-Switch (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} – 415.839 + 19.246 digital = 435.085
008 - ARMS (Nintendo) {2017.06.16} – 393.488 + 31.046 digital = 424.534
009 - Mario Tennis Aces (Nintendo) {2018.06.22} - 335.106 + 26.761 digital = 361.867
010 - Pokken Tournament DX (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22} - 273.522 + 22.062 digital = 295.584
011 - Monster Hunter Double Cross: Nintendo Switch Ver. (Capcom) {2017.08.25} – 243.356 + 21.549 digital = 264.905
012 - Octopath Traveler (Square Enix) {2018.07.13} - 184.811 + 76.326 digital = 261.137
013 - Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Nintendo) {2018.05.03} - 203.927 + 17.582 digital = 220.271
014 - Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.07.19} - 200.854 + 16.893 digital = 217.747 (+2)
015 - Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (Nintendo) (2017.12.01) - 188.643 + 23.275 digital = 211.918
016 - Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle (Nintendo) {2018.01.18} - 200.131 + 8.933 digital = 209.064
017 - Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} - 200.411
018 - Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.09.07} – 161.049 + 6.457 digital = 167.506
019 - Super Bomberman R (Konami) {2017.03.03} – 147.573 + 5.387 digital = 152.960
020 - Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} - 123.654 + 11.924 digital = 135.578
021 - FIFA 18 (Electronic Arts) {2017.09.29} – 114.258 + 12.069 digital = 119.189
022 - Snipperclips: Cut it Out, Together! (Download) (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} – 113.287
023 - The Snack World: TreJarers Gold (Level 5) {2018.04.12} - 94.697 + 3.163 digital = 97.860
024 - Pro Baseball Famista Evolution (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.02} - 83.009 + 4.765 digital = 87.774
025 - Puyo Puyo Tetris S (Sega) {2017.03.03} – 77.617 + 1.482 digital = 79.099
026 - Snipperclips Plus (Nintendo) {2017.11.10} - 76.561 + 1.262 digital = 77.823
027 - Fire Emblem Warriors (Koei Tecmo) {2017.09.28} – 64.747 + 7.669 digital = 72.416
028 - Sumikko Gurashi: Sumikko Park e Youkoso (Nippon Columbia) (2017.12.07) - 69.188 + 1.399 digital = 70.587
029 - Dragon Quest X: All in One Package (Square Enix) {2017.09.21} – 30.851 + 36.544 digital = 67.395
030 - Dragon Quest X: 5000-nen no Harukanaru Kokyou e Online (Square Enix) {2017.11.16} - 27.975 + 37.856 digital = 65.831
031 - Dragon Quest Heroes I & II for Nintendo Switch (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} – 64.404 + 1.305 digital = 65.709
032 - Attack on Titan 2 (Koei Tecmo) {2018.03.15} - 62.414 + 3.275 digital = 65.689
033 - Dragon Quest Builders (Square Enix) {2018.03.01} - 61.255 + 5.638 digital = 66.893
034 - Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition (Koei Tecmo) {2018.03.22} - 46.214 + 4.560 digital = 50.774
035 - Seiken Densetsu Collection (Square Enix) {2017.06.01} – 41.128 + 4.721 digital = 45.849
036 - One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.12.21} - 45.029
037 - Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 02: Robot Kit (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} - 43.877
038 - My Hero Academia: One's Justice (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.23} - 40.473 + 2.811 digital = 43.284 (+2)
039 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda Softworks) {2018.02.01} - 38.256 + 3.160 digital = 41.416
040 - Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} - 30.410 (13.250 Climax Edition) + 2.879 digital = 41.145
041 - Shinobi Refle: Senran Kagura (Download) (Marvelous Games) {2017.11.24} - 32.167
042 - Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Capcom) {2017.05.26} – 23.018 + 4.040 digital = 27.058
043 - Okami HD (Capcom) {2018.08.09} - 17.345 + 7.068 digital = 24.413 (+4)
044 - SD Gundam G Generation: Genesis for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.04.26} - 21.229
045 - Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and the Millionaire's Conspiracy DX (Level 5) {2018.08.09} - 20.336 + 757 digital = 21.093
046 - PriPara All Idol Perfect Stage! (Takara Tomy) {2018.03.22} - 20.268
047 - Overcooked 2 (DL) (Team 17) {07/08/2018} - 19.040 (NEW)
048 - Rockman X Anniversary Collection 1+2 (Capcom) {2018.07.26} - 18.126
049 - Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 03: Drive Kit (Nintendo) {2018.09.14} - 17.904
050 - Bayonetta (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} - 13.250
051 - Little Dragons Cafe (Marvelous) {2018.08.30} - 12.661
052 - Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm Legacy for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.04.26} - 12.396
053 - Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Marvelous) {2017.07.20} – 10.167 + 1.852 digital = 12.019
054 - Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido (Nintendo) {2018.06.08} - 9.782 + 986 digital = 10.768
055 - Little Nightmares: Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.06.07} - 9.579 + 1.121 digital = 10.700
056 - Rockman Classics Collection 1+2 - 10.203
057 - Steins;Gate Elite (5pb.) {2018.09.20} - 9.211 (NEW)
058 - Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (Nippon Ichi Software) {2018.06.28} - 9.101
059 - SaGa: Scarlet Grace (Square Enix) {2018.08.02} - 8.576
060 - LEGO City Undercover (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.06.29} – 8.312
061 - Minna de Wai Wai! Spelunker (Square Enix) {2017.04.20} – 8.028
062 - Dragon Quest X: All in One Package Ver.1-4 (Square Enix) {2018.07.26} - 6.918
063 - Lost Sphear (Square Enix) {2017.10.12} – 6.562
064 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Hou (Entergram) {2018.07.26} - 6.224
065 - One Piece: Unlimited World Red – Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.08.24} – 5.916
066 - Resident Evil: Revelations Collection (Capcom) (2017.11.30) - 5.892
067 - Nobunaga's Ambition: Taishi (Koei Tecmo) (2017.11.30) - 5.786
068 - Liar Princess and the Blind Prince (Nippon Ichi Software) {2018.05.31} - 5.346
069 - Undertale (8-4) {2018.09.15} - 5.290
070 - Disgaea 5 Complete (Nippon Ichi Software) {2017.03.03} – 5.065
071 - Sonic Forces (Sega) {2017.11.09} - 4.899
072 - BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle (Arc System Works) {2018.05.31} - 4.785
073 - Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna - The Golden Country (Nintendo) {2018.09.21} - 4.744 (NEW)
074 - I am Setsuna (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} – 4.625
075 - Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon (Koei Tecmo) {2017.08.31} – 4.413
076 - Rockman X Anniversary Collection (Capcom) {2018.07.26} - 3.910
077 - Shining Resonance Refrain (Sega) {2018.07.12} - 3.645
078 - Rockman X Anniversary Collection 2 (Capcom) {2018.07.26} - 3.472
079 - SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy (SNK) {2018.09.06} - 3.394
080 - Portal Knights (Spike Chunsoft) {2018.04.19} - 3.394
081 - Azure Striker Gunvolt: Striker Pack (Inti Creates) {2017.08.31} – 3.196
082 - God Wars: Nihon Shinwa Taisen (Kadokawa Games) {2018.06.14} - 3.088
083 - Cars 3: Driven to Win (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.07.20} – 3.007
084 - Disgaea 1 Complete (Nippon Ichi Software) {2018.07.26} - 2.943
085 - Your Four Knight Princesses Training Story (Nippon Ichi Software) {2018.03.08} - 2.864
086 - Resident Evil: Revelations (Capcom) (2017.11.30) - 2.747
087 - Gal Gun 2 (Inti Creates) {2018.03.15} - 2.622
088 - Jake Hunter Detective Story: Prism of Eyes (Arc System Works) {2018.08.09} - 2.555
089 - Shantae: Half-Genie Hero - Ultimate Edition (Oizumi Amuzio) {2018.05.31} - 2.545
090 - Champion Jockey Special (Koei Tecmo) {2017.09.14} – 2.512
091 - Winning Post 8 2018 (Koei Tecmo) {2018.03.15} - 2.445
092 - NBA 2K18 (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2017.10.17} – 2.397
093 - Doom (Bethesda Softworks) {2018.03.01} - 2.369
094 - Atelier Arland Series: Deluxe Pack (Koei Tecmo) {2018.09.20} - 2.339 (NEW)
095 - Musou Orochi 2: Ultimate (Koei Tecmo) {2017.11.09} - 2.307
096 - LEGO Worlds (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.11.22} - 2.274
097 - Code of Princess EX (Pikii) {2018.08.02} - 2.238
098 - NBA 2K19 (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2018.09.11} - 2.128
099 - Neo Atlas 1469 (Artdink) {2018.04.19} - 2.115
100 - Monopoly for Nintendo Switch (Ubisoft) {2017.11.09} - 2.005
101 - LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2 (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2018.02.01} - 1.991
102 - Cube Creator X (Arc System Works) {2018.04.26} - 1.986
103 - Touhou Genso Wanderer: Reloaded (Unties) {2018.07.19} - 1.896
104 - Winning Post 8 2017 (Koei Tecmo) {2017.09.14} – 1.774


Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit + Robot Kit + Drive Kit: 262.192




SWITCH GAMES, Ranking Sales, Japan, 2018 (Sep 10 - Sep 16)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...2018-sep-10-sep-16.69459/page-9#post-12947004
 

Rouk'

Member
Jan 10, 2018
8,151
Is Torna the first stand-alone DLC sold separately and physically ? Do we have any kind of past sales to help us grasp whether this result was good or bad ? Do Torna's sales even matter ?
 

Rouk'

Member
Jan 10, 2018
8,151
they really don't, they already moved on to the next project

Oh yeah, I thought so. But I meant do they matter for us, in this thread ? This is the first time we've seen this kind of product, is there going to be any kind of follow-up ? Torna sales aren't the most interesting thing ever, they are a DLC, of a JRPG, releasing 9 month after the initial game.
 

silpheed-mcd

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,384
GEO Ranking Preorders

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01/01 [NSW] Super Mario Party - October 05
02/05 [PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 - October 12
03/06 [PS4] Red Dead Redemption 2 - October 26
04/08 [NSW] Pokemon Let's Go, Pikachu! - November 16
04/08 [NSW] Pokemon Let's Go, Eevee! - November 16
05/09 [PS4] Battlefield 5 - October 19
06/07 [PS4] WWE 2K19 Deluxe Edition - October 05
07/10 [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Special - December 07
08/11 [PS4] GOD EATER 3 - December 13
09/17 [PS4] Fallout 76 - November 25
10/13 [PS4] Assassin's Screed: Odyssey - October 02
11/19 [PS4] Disaster Report 4 Plus: Summer Memories - October 25
12/38 [PS4] Hitman 2 - November 15
13/14 [NSW] Tales of Vesperia Remaster - January 11
13/14 [PS4] Tales of Vesperia Remaster - January 11
14/15 [NSW] New Super Mario Bros.U Deluxe - January 11
15/ N [PS4] ACE COMBAT 7: SKIES UNKNOWN - January 17
16/16 [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III - January 25
17/ N [PS4] Devil May Cry 5 - March 08
18/18 [PS4] Judge Eyes - December 13
19/ N [NSW] Dragon Quest Builders 2 - December 20
19/ N [PS4] Dragon Quest Builders 2 - December 20

20/25 [NSW] Sumikko Gurashi: Atsumare! Sumikko Town - October 04
21/26 [NSW] WorkxWork - October 04
22/27 [PS4] Varnir of the Dragon Star: Ecdysis of the Dragon - October 11
23/28 [PS4] Middle-Earth: Shadow of War Definitive Edition - October 11
24/29 [PS4] Soul Calibur VI - October 18
25/21 [NSW] Rockman 11 - October 04
25/21 [PS4] Rockman 11 - October 04
26/30 [PS4] Crystar - October 18
27/31 [NSW] Dark Souls Remastered - October 18
28/39 [PS4] Dead by Daylight - November 29
29/ N [PS4] Just Cause 4 - December 06
30/40 [NSW] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - December 13
30/40 [PS4] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - December 13
30/40 [PSV] Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World - December 13
31/ N [NSW] Onimusha - December 20
31/ N [PS4] Onimusha - December 20
32/ N [PS4] The Division 2 - March 12

33/32 [NSW] Yomawari: The Long Night Collection - October 25
34/36 [NSW] Pikachin-Kit: Game de Pirameki Daisakusen - November 08
35/ N [PS4] Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs: Steam Dungeon - November 15
36/33 [NSW] Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection - October 25
36/33 [PS4] Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection - October 25
37/34 [NSW] Beyblade Burst: Battle Zero - October 25
38/35 [NSW] Neko-Tomo - November 01
38/35 [3DS] Neko-Tomo - November 01
39/37 [3DS] Luigi Mansion - November 08
40/ N [NSW] RPG Maker MV Trinity - November 15
40/ N |PS4] RPG Maker MV Trinity - November 15



PS4: 28 (+3)
NSW: 19 (-2)
3DS: 2 (=)
PSV: 1 (=)



02/06 [PS4] Utawarerumono Zan - September 27
03/04 [PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV: The End of Saga - September 27
04/05 [NSW] Musou Orochi 3 - September 27
04/05 [PS4] Musou Orochi 3 - September 27
12/12 [NSW] FIFA 19 - September 28
12/12 [PS4] FIFA 19 - September 28
20/23 [NSW] Dragonball FighterZ - September 27
22/19 [PS4] Assetto Corsa: Ultimate Edition - September 27
23/18 [NSW] The World Ends With You: Final Remix - September 27
24/20 [NSW] Valkyria Chronicles 4 - September 27
 

Fisico

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,106
Paris
I don't see how you can spin a JRPG selling 20-40% first week positively. It bombed at retail.

It's been said multiple times for years but a "bomb" means that a game ends up in a bomba bin with retailers forced to drop its price.
Torna has a super low shipment and low price, for all we know it could have had a 13k shipment and will clear that no problem.
Now if it's 23k it's more problematic but the number is low enough that its chances of hitting bomba bins is very low, bomba bins really happen with massively overshipped games like Gaist Crusher, or games left with dozens/hundred'(s) thousands of unsold copies like Tales of Xillia.
Torna is none of those thus far and has a budget price that will help its legs
 

Mpl90

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,215
Comgnet comparisons, as of September 27th, 2018

[NSW] Fire Emblem Warriors - 21pt
[PS4] Dynasty Warriors 9 - 113pt
[NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition - 13pt
[PS4] Warriors Orochi 4 - 90pt
[NSW] Warriors Orochi 4 - 23pt

[PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III - 53pt + 40pt = 93pt
[PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV - 60pt + 39pt = 99pt

[PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare - 80pt
[PS4] Call of Duty: WWII - 141pt
[PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII - 82pt

[PSV] Utawarerumono: The Two Harukos - 43pt + 24pt = 67pt
[PS4] Utawarerumono: The Two Harukos - 30pt + 22pt = 52pt
[PS4] Utawarerumono: Chiriyukusha e no Komoriuta - 15pt
[PSV] Utawarerumono: Chiriyukusha e no Komoriuta - 9pt
[PS4] Utawarerumono Zan - 25pt + 25pt = 50pt

[PS4] Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 - 49pt
[NSW] Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch - 19pt
[PS4] Dragon Ball FighterZ - 51pt
[NSW] Dragon Ball FighterZ - 18pt

[3DS] Mario Party: Island Tour - 51pt
[NSW] Super Mario Party - 31pt

Note: in the past few years, the ratio between preorder points and thousands of units sold have costantly decreased, and the past few months saw several examples of a much lower ratio than usual for several games (i.e. more actual thousands sold per preorder point), considering their platforms and genres (The Last Guardian, Poochy and Yoshi's Wolly World, Nioh, Final Fantasy XV as the first major examples).

* the original Attack on Titan from KT displayed a very high actual sales / final COMG preorder pts ratio: the Vita version ended with 30pts (regular version), the PS4 one with 24pts (regular version) at best, buth both SKUs debuted at over 60,000 copies in their first week. This might've happened due to advertising impacting on-the-spot purchases; there is no certainty we're going to see a similar phenomenon with AoT2, which means we could see a lower purchases / preorders ratio.


Updated with Mario Party's comparison
 
Oct 25, 2017
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20-40% is bad unless it's a one time shipment sort of thing.
Not sure if Nintendo promoted it well over there, was kind of hoping that the standalone nature and more refined experience would sell some units but it'll probably barely do 20k by year's end
 
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Chris1964

SalesEra Genius
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,155
21./20. [NSW] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker <ADV> (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} (¥3.980)
22./17. [3DS] WarioWare Gold <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.08.02} (¥4.980)
23./00. [PSV] La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Jinnan/Shiseikan/Amane Gakuen <La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Jinnan \ La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Shiseikan \ La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Amane Gakuen> # <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2018.09.20} (¥7.800)
24./00. [NSW] Atelier Arland Series: Deluxe Pack {Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland DX \ Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland DX \ Atelier Meruru: The Apprentice of Arland DX} <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2018.09.20} (¥13.800)
25./36. [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX <FTG> (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22} (¥5.980)
26./07. [PS4] NBA 2K19 # <SPT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2018.09.11} (¥7.800)
27./24. [NSW] Pro Baseball Famista Evolution <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.02} (¥6.100)
28./25. [NSW] My Hero: One's Justice <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.23} (¥7.600)
29./28. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome amiibo # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2016.11.23} (¥2.700)
30./00. [PSV] La Corda d'Oro 3: All of Us Summer Box {La Corda d'Oro 3: Full Voice Special \ La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Jinnan/Shiseikan/Amane Gakuen <La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Jinnan \ La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Shiseikan \ La Corda d'Oro 3: Another Sky feat. Amane Gakuen>} <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2018.09.20} (¥30.000)
31./10. [NSW] Undertale # <RPG> (8-4) {2018.09.15} (¥4.000)
32./30. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts \ Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories> \ Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts II \ Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ \ Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep>> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.09} (¥6.800)
33./00. [PSV] La Corda d'Oro 3: Full Voice Special # <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2018.09.20} (¥6.800)
34./23. [PS4] Persona 5 [New Price Edition] <RPG> (Atlus) {2018.09.06} (¥4.980)
35./26. [NSW] Octopath Traveler <RPG> (Square Enix) {2018.07.13} (¥6.800)
36./29. [3DS] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker <ADV> (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} (¥3.980)
37./16. [PS4] Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner Mars # <ACT> (Konami) {2018.09.06} (¥4.980)
38./32. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege - Advanced Edition <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2018.03.01} (¥6.000)
39./34. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} (¥6.980)
40./45. [PS4] The Last of Us Remastered <The Last of Us \ The Last of Us: Left Behind> [PlayStation Hits] <ADV> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2018.07.26} (¥1.990)
41./15. [PS4] Black Clover: Quartet Knights <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.09.13} (¥7.600)
42./39. [NSW] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.05.03} (¥5.980)
43./00. [NSW] Nil Admirari no Tenbin: Irodori Nadeshiko # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2018.09.20} (¥6.800)
44./37. [NSW] Okami HD # <ADV> (Capcom) {2018.08.09} (¥2.990)
45./31. [PS4] My Hero: One's Justice <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.08.23} (¥7.600)
46./33. [PS4] Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.12.03} (¥2.400)
47./40. [NSW] 1-2-Switch <ETC> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980)
48./43. [NSW] Arms <FTG> (Nintendo) {2017.06.16} (¥5.980)
49./22. [PS4] Hitman: Definitive Edition <Hitman: The Complete First Season \ Hitman - Episode 2: Sapienza \ Hitman - Episode 3: Marrakesh \ Hitman - Episode 4: Bangkok \ Hitman - Episode 5: Colorado \ Hitman - Episode 6: Hokkaido \ Hitman: Summer Bonus Episode> <ADV> (Square Enix) {2018.09.13} (¥5.980)
50./42. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.571)

Top 50

NSW - 24
PS4 - 17
3DS - 5
PSV - 4

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|System |  This Week |  Last Week |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
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|  ALL  |    308.000 |    366.000 |    360.000 | 17.639.000 | 20.959.000 |
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Lite_Agent

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,572
Somewhere. I think.
Nintendo eShop Sales: September 20th to September 26th 2018

Nintendo eShop – Nintendo Switch

01./03. – Human: Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) [28.12.2017] (was on sale)
02./06. – Capcom Beat 'em Up Bundle (Capcom) [20.9.2018]
03./01. – Undertale (8-4) [15.9.2018]
04./02. – Minecraft (Mojang / Microsoft Japan) [21.6.2018]
05./07. – Overcooked! 2 (Team17) [07.8.2018]
06./New – SEGA Ages Thunder Force IV (SEGA) [20.9.2018]
07./09. – Dragon Quest Builders (Square-Enix) [01.3.2018] (was on sale)
08./10. – Minna de Kuuki Yomi (GMode) [30.8.2018]
09./New – Ultimate Chicken Horse (Clever Endeavour Games)
10./New – Warriors Orochi 4 (Koei-Tecmo) [27.9.2018] (launch discount)

11./00. – Resident Evil Revelations (Capcom) [30.11.2017]
12./14. – Super Mario Party (Nintendo) [05.10.2018]
13./05. – Cities: Skyline – Nintendo Switch Edition (ParadoxInteractive) [14.9.2018]
14./11. – Hollow Knight (Team Cherry) [13.6.2018]
15./00. – Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate (Capcom) [24.8.2017]
16./00. – Enchanting Mahjong Match (D3 Publisher) [15.03.2018]
17./04. – Final Fantasy XV: Pocket Edition HD (Square-Enix) [14.9.2018]
18./13. – Stardew Valley (Chucklefish) [12.1.2018]
19./00. – The Escapists 2 (Team17) [09.8.2018]
20./12. – Dead Cells (Motion Twin) [07.8.2018]

Nintendo eShop – Nintendo 3DS

01./01. – The Battle Cats POP (Ponos) [31.5.2015]
02./02. – Pokémon Crystal Version (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [26.1.2018]
03./00. – Story of Seasons: Trio of Towns (Marvelous) [23.6.2013]
04./03. – Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition (Microsoft Japan) [14.9.2017]
05./07. – Pokémon Silver Version (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [22.9.2017]
06./04. – Dragon Quest III (Square-Enix) [24.8.2017]
07./06. – Pokémon Gold Version (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [22.9.2017]
08./05. – Ice Station Z (Wobbly Tooth) [05.4.2017]
09./00. – Bike Rider DX (Spicysoft) [26.12.2012]
10./09. – Battleminerz (Wobbly Tooth) [17.1.2018]


https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/37b31991-bd39-11e8-9b49-063b7ac45a6d.html
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,410
First Day Sell-through{2018.09.27}

[PS4] Warriors Orochi 4 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) (¥7.800) - 70%
[NSW] Warriors Orochi 4 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) (¥7.800) - 50%

[PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV - The End of Saga # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) (¥7.800) - 70%

[PS4] Utawarerumono: Zan # <SLG> (Aqua Plus) (¥7.800) - 60%

[NSW] The World Ends with You: Final Remix <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥4.800) - 30%

[NSW] Dragon Ball FighterZ <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥6.800) - 20%

[NSW] Valkyria Chronicles 4 <SLG> (Sega) (¥7.490) - 30%

[NSW] Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk <RPG> (Nippon Ichi Software) (¥6.980) - 20%
 

Wander_

Banned
Feb 26, 2018
5,552
Is Torna the first stand-alone DLC sold separately and physically ? Do we have any kind of past sales to help us grasp whether this result was good or bad ? Do Torna's sales even matter ?

Torna is NOT a dlc. it's a prequel, a standalone game with different mechanics and a new world, like uncharted lost legacy. and that's the fault, they promote it as a dlc
 
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foxuzamaki

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,563
Torna is NOT a dlc. it's a prequel, a standalone game with different mechanics and a new world, like uncharted lost legacy. and that's the fault, they promote it as a dlc
Its a expansion which is otherwise a very meaty DLC, enough that Nintendo could sell it as a physical game but still DLC nonetheless
 
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