Same year for the launch
FC Final Fantasy 520.000 Square 18/12/1987
FC Zelda II: The Adventure of Link [Famicom Disk System] 1.610.000 Nintendo 14/01/1987
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Media Create Sales: Week 4, 2018 (Jan 22 - Jan 28)
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Same year for the launch
FC Final Fantasy 520.000 Square 18/12/1987
FC Zelda II: The Adventure of Link [Famicom Disk System] 1.610.000 Nintendo 14/01/1987
I had a feeling the NES games could dispute my hypothesis. Wasn't sure how much the original FF games sold.
So this makes it the first time in 30 years. Insane.
Did it get its legs cut off by World, or were they bad the week before? It basically had only 15 days to itself.
Oof. I don't see it doing well internationally either. There's been no buzz.
Yeah, and its also a very safe bet to assume that a copy of CoD being sold at $60 brings in more profit than a movie ticket being sold at $10 (in other words, there is no way that Activision makes less than $10 for each sold copy).
I dont have a source to this either, but is there any reason to believe that, in this case, Nintendo takes a $20 less cut? That would make no sense to me.
If the answer was obvious how could no one have one singular source for it? I'm not asking for anything absurd here.
I dont mind you asking, i'm just honestly curious why its believed that such a big price difference wouldnt bring in more money. Is there any indication for such thing?
Regarding source, i did a quick search on Google and found this: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/02/anatomy-of-a-60-dollar-video-game.html | I cant say much about the credibility, but its from the guy who started OnLive, so i think the numbers are accurate, showing a $7 platform royalty. These are also numbers from around 2010, but i dont think things have changed drastically since then.
It's not that I dont think it is or could be true (I did napkin math to ball park myself). The basis of handheld games costing less is cheaper development based on lesser technology. But if you wanna make sweeping claims, use a source.
I'll give it a read when I get home. As a side note, I think onlive still exists. I remember when that was projected to be huge. Wild times.
If its about developement cost, then it would be something different. Maybe i misunderstood, but i was only thinking about the money being made from each copy sold. How much money Capcom (in this case) get into their bank account for each sold copy. I'm also a fan of using source to backing up claims being made, but i think this specific case is a very safe bet. I cant see the cost around each copy (manufacturing, shipping, royalty fee etc.) being $20 cheaper on handheld. Thats what i mean wouldnt make sense to me.
Yeah, the idea around OnLive was a big deal back then :) I was ahead of its time i think. Kinda reminds me of how the Phantom console were also ahead of its time, a digital download only console. Back then it was almost unthinkable, but today we know that this will probably be the future.
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So after years of speculating about increased dev costs for each franchise moving to PS4 it's taboo to speculate on revenue share at different price differentials without a source ? Why increase the price of a game if you're not going to get a bigger share of revenue. What new cost is Capcom incurring shipping MHW on ps4 compared to a 3DS game. Everything is cheaper outside of possibly royalties. I've never seen a product where margin goes down as price increases .
Took long enough lol. Hasn't felt the same coming in to look at media create threads the last two weeks and not seeing XenoverseSwitch restocks i noticed today:
Joshin, tsutaya, sofmap oomiya (gray), ComG!, visco, zest
Yodobashi
Some stores received DBX2 and pokken today.
No large quantities today but not bad, first 4 days of this week are good, better than others weeks (after 2018 week 1), we'll see this week-end (biggest switch restocks of this week announced for February 3)
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Breath of the Wild is officially a million seller in Japan
[FCM] The Legend of Zelda |Disc System| <ADV> (Nintendo) {1986.02.21} (¥2.600) - 1.690.000
[FCM] Zelda II: The Adventure of Link |Disc System| <ADV> (Nintendo) {1987.01.14} (¥2.600) - 1.610.000
[SFC] The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past _Retail/Nintendo Power_ <ADV> (Nintendo) {1991.11.21} (¥8.000) - 1.160.000
[N64] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time <ADV> (Nintendo) {1998.11.21} (¥6.800) - 1.460.000
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 900.000
[WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 120.000
Odyssey almost outsold Mario 64
[N64] Super Mario 64 <ACT> (Nintendo) {1996.06.23} (¥9.800) - 1.920.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - 1.760.000
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| | NSW | WIU |
+----+---------+---------+
| Q1 | 390.000 | 120.000 |
| Q2 | 210.000 | |
| Q3 | 80.000 | |
| Q4 | 220.000 | |
+----+---------+---------+
| | 900.000 | 120.000 |
+----+---------+---------+[FCM] The Legend of Zelda |Disc System| <ADV> (Nintendo) {1986.02.21} (¥2.600) - 1.690.000
[FCM] Zelda II: The Adventure of Link |Disc System| <ADV> (Nintendo) {1987.01.14} (¥2.600) - 1.610.000
[SFC] The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past _Retail/Nintendo Power_ <ADV> (Nintendo) {1991.11.21} (¥8.000) - 1.160.000
[N64] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time <ADV> (Nintendo) {1998.11.21} (¥6.800) - 1.460.000
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 900.000
[WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 120.000
Odyssey almost outsold Mario 64
[N64] Super Mario 64 <ACT> (Nintendo) {1996.06.23} (¥9.800) - 1.920.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - 1.760.000
Zelda BOTW : Media create 31 december 2017 : 771K
Zelda BOTW : Media create 28 January 2018 : 834K
+ 63K for BOTW.
So without counting Wii U version, we can say that the 4th million seller in Japan is approaching in the next weeks.
Between Kirby, Mario tennis aces and Nintendo labo, there is perhaps the next million seller in Japan.
Zelda BOTW : Media create 28 January 2018 : 834K
+ 63K for BOTW.
So without counting Wii U version, we can say that the 4th million seller in Japan is approaching in the next weeks.
Between Kirby, Mario tennis aces and Nintendo labo, there is perhaps the next million seller in Japan.
Minecraft is another million-seller in the making ;)
However, we won't know when it'll cross the milestone because Microsoft won't share the data :(
There are so much numbers , i would like to know. ( Sonic forces and sonic mania for example )
With all specialists of NPD here, it would be possible to have a low indication about Fire emblem warriors number.
Release date of this game; 20 october just one week before Mario Odyssey release, has just killed his potential in western countries.
At least Bayonetta 2 has one month before Kirby release, it's better than Fire emblem warriors situation.
With all specialists of NPD here, it would be possible to have a low indication about Fire emblem warriors number.
Release date of this game; 20 october just one week before Mario Odyssey release, has just killed his potential in western countries.
At least Bayonetta 2 has one month before Kirby release, it's better than Fire emblem warriors situation.
I thought (I could be wrong) the issue is the fact we cannot calculate the margin due to not knowing the exact cost of development; due to not knowing the exact cost of marketing; due to not knowing whether or not a royalty discount was implemented and if a royalty discount was implemented what was the discount percentage.
Bayonetta looks pretty dang bad to me. Dunno if that will affect sales at all as a remaster here or WW. But considering the that a limited audience played 2, it will probably do well.
would've posted in it's preview thread, but I don't want to be attacked for saying it seems low effort lol
would've posted in it's preview thread, but I don't want to be attacked for saying it seems low effort lol
People said that about Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and here we are.
Truth is, the game is good and will play well, that's the most important. Outside of forums like ERA, 720p or 900p doesn't matter too much. Plus you get 2 games, so it is a good deal :)
For example, Crash Nsane Trilogy is a remaster of 3 old games and is running at 30fps, for a platformer. It sold gangbusters nonetheless.
while I think it will do better than Bayo2, your examples are weird.
Xeno2 looks good (dunno why people say it looks bad. Then again I haven't played it undocked) and isn't a remaster to begin with.
Crash is a remake/remaster that looks a lot better than its original. Despite 30fps.
Bayo2 looks about the same as a game from 4(?) years ago, but with a more locked FPS I understand. I think it has potential due to it being on the switch.
I just generally don't like ports like that. At least DK, HW increased their resolution
You should play it undocked in Gormott then. There was a lot of backlash around it so that was an example of game criticized for its technical performance that managed to become the best selling title in its franchise.
Bayo2 has additional content compared to the original on WiiU (local MP, amibo support). Plus the framerate was around 40-45fps on WiiU so being regularly at 60fps is an improvement. For that kind of game, the priority should be framerate over resolution imo.
I remember Gormotti was one of the places I noticed the dynamic res on Docked so I can definitely imagine it being bad in undocked.
But again it didn't have a direct precedent since it was new.
I didn't know Bayo 2 didn't have local mp on Wii U (why not lol that's weird) so that's a good bonus. As far as technical improvements...that still doesn't seem like much.
Obviously Bayo is no Mario Kart, But Mario Kart 8 was 720/60 and then 720/30 in split screen.
MK8D went to 1080/60 and still 1080/60 in 2 player split screen. (not sure about 3+ player)
that's a big jump.
Or even keep it 720 but add some AA. shrug
Oh yeah they could have pushed the HW more that's for sure. But you must remember that MK8 sold ten times more than Bayo2 on WiiU. Probably even 15 times more. The budget/time allocated to these 2 ports isn't the same.
My point, however, is that it won't prevent the game to sell well (if it does).
Is there much disagreement that DQXI PS4 is an AAA game in Japan? And that it sold over a million, outselling FFXV? This is a Media Create thread for Japanese sales, and we were having a discussion about the future potential of FF to buck the trend of decline right? If you feel there's some area where we aren't align on, do point it out. I'm not really that interested in debating how DQXI might do outside of Japan right now considering we have no date and there's still a question of platforms at western launch.
MH:W's sell-through was 92.07% on Media Create. Compared to the previous entries, it sold about 1.5 times of MHXX on 3DS (848K), and more than doubled MH3's opening on Wii (520K).
https://www.m-create.com/ranking/
https://www.m-create.com/ranking/
Japan esports related.
The writing was on the wall for a while
Konami is going to be one of the first companies to use professional licensing from JeSU (Japan esports union) for their own esports.
https://s.famitsu.com/news/201802/02150994.html
Konami is holding a Winning Eleven 2018 Co-op Tournament on February 11th.
This is going to be held at Battle Conference 2018.
Details: (Google translated)
You may know Winning Eleven as Pro Evolution Soccer (PES)
The writing was on the wall for a while
Konami is going to be one of the first companies to use professional licensing from JeSU (Japan esports union) for their own esports.
https://s.famitsu.com/news/201802/02150994.html
Konami is holding a Winning Eleven 2018 Co-op Tournament on February 11th.
This is going to be held at Battle Conference 2018.
Details: (Google translated)
You may know Winning Eleven as Pro Evolution Soccer (PES)
The AAA conversation came up in regards to FFXV. It was about "how can FFXVI appeal to Japan while still maintaining the shape of production it is probably going to have."
The shape of production was important to the question insofar as it is likely that FFXVI will be a game targeting a PS4 like platform next generation. So holding that constant, what can FF do to better appeal to Japan (within that context)? We have games that have appealed better to Japan on the PS4. Games can do it.
Moreover, there is a western component to this, namely, the shape of production that FF takes on is to try and compete as a AAA game in the western market. So, yes, AAA came in through the west.
The shape of production was important to the question insofar as it is likely that FFXVI will be a game targeting a PS4 like platform next generation. So holding that constant, what can FF do to better appeal to Japan (within that context)? We have games that have appealed better to Japan on the PS4. Games can do it.
Moreover, there is a western component to this, namely, the shape of production that FF takes on is to try and compete as a AAA game in the western market. So, yes, AAA came in through the west.
My post was that I doubt future FF, or any AAA game will use turn based combat. I'm sure when they make game decisions like this, they have more than Japan in mind. As for the AAA part, I wasn't clear enough. I meant big, FFXV-tier budget games. So basically I'm saying don't expect FF or Fallout go back to turn based.
Bayonetta 1+2 could sell better if they made more of the limited edition available. They sold their allocation in the blink of an eye and now they are going for 7000yen over the retail price on Amazon. People in Japan still want physical. Making Bayonetta 1 a download only title outside of a very limited edition was a mistake IMO.
I feel the same way about the Fire Emblem Fates limited edition.
I feel the same way about the Fire Emblem Fates limited edition.
I imagine Japan would prefer a game that is more in line with 6-7-8, probably closest to 8 in both story and battle. As for overworld I don't think what they did in 15 was bad. Probably didn't need to go to that extent of openworld, but I don't think it turned anyone off.
Some sort of risk reward ATB with heavy use of status effects is probably most desired. An interesting and diverse cast representing all genders is also a must.
Some sort of risk reward ATB with heavy use of status effects is probably most desired. An interesting and diverse cast representing all genders is also a must.
Don't understimate the power of marketing of thing like "1080p", "4K" and "HDR", Sony wouldn't insist on it if it was poor marketing. Thanks to Smartphone and such, I find people way more tech savvy than 10 years ago. People know better resolution means crisper details for exemple. It's clear though that people who bought a Switch didn't buy it expecting 4K, so I don't thing Bayonetta being sub-1080p will play a huge part on its commercial results.
I'm wildly guessing 800k for the Bayo collection WW at the end of 2018 (with decent legs over the year) and something like 2M for Bayo 3 if the game has enough room to breath.
I would like to know who's the culprit for the XC2 trauma in the MC thread.
First Day Sell-through {2018.02.01}
[PS4] Dragon Ball FighterZ <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥7.600) - 50% selling less than expected due to a million seller just released
[NSW] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥6.980) - 30% selling more than expected for this kind of game on Switch
[PS4] Dragon Ball FighterZ <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥7.600) - 50% selling less than expected due to a million seller just released
[NSW] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥6.980) - 30% selling more than expected for this kind of game on Switch
I think Bayonetta is gonna underwhelm personally. It looks ultra low effort and they haven't put in good marketing imo. People can say what they want about Xenoblade but it got full directs and dedicated E3 time.
Would you expect a future console level HD Pokémon to not be turn based?
The budget difference between FFXV and Fallout seems pretty huge so it isn't helping narrow down this definition. Is Pokémon not AAA???
Mario Kart 8 was 720p/59fps in 2p Split screen
Yes 59 is not a typo (that's why I remember it in fact)
Monster Hunter World had a sellthrough rate approaching sold out since it is over 90 percent. It is safe to assume the game also did amazing digitally due to sold out stock.
My bet is the 2 million number is possible for sure.
LTD can be 2.5 to 3 million all depending on legs and a possible re-release later down the line.
My bet is the 2 million number is possible for sure.
LTD can be 2.5 to 3 million all depending on legs and a possible re-release later down the line.
tbh once you knew it was there and saw it, you could no longer stop seeing it
Nintendo labo
building a nintendo labo fishing rod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efy717B6Xs
building a nintendo labo toy-con rc car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiVSB5s3oU4
house, robot, piano, bike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz_JyfyowQE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sl1yQttZA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4yksCvER0
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To my understanding Pokémon is not AAA, I think it should be considered as such, more so than a lot of games but since the Western game media gets to define that list by whatever flimbsy criteria they want and no one has called it AAA it's not.
Even if Pokémon Switch has a large budget and HD graphics I suspect there will be some way for people to exclude it as AAA, perhaps GF is too lazy, err, not ambitious enough.
As to FF being turned based, I think while it is possible to make turn based games that sell well, I don't think SE will take the risk.
Technically speaking, ATB isn't turn-based and I could see them going back to something like that maybe if it was a XIII style fast-paced ATB that allowed interruptions and cancellations. Or gambits.
Actually, gambits should be in regardless. If I can only control one character at a time, let me program what the others should be doing.
Actually, gambits should be in regardless. If I can only control one character at a time, let me program what the others should be doing.
I can vouch for this myself. Very glad they fixed that in the Switch version. I always theorized that it was due to it needing a frame to record the races for those real-time recordings you could edit and save after every race (but only the highlights). I couldn't think of any other explanation.
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