I don't believe it's currently good value either, but there's nothing alien about the concept of a service that was once free now requires payment. I don't see what's hard to explain.
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Media Create Sales: Week 40, 2018 (Oct 01 - Oct 07)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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I don't believe it's currently good value either, but there's nothing alien about the concept of a service that was once free now requires payment. I don't see what's hard to explain.
I am not following it very closely I am only saying it looks like that when you see that graph. I am not sure what your counter argument is though?
I guess the best counter is that SW is doing great?
then just don't get it?
and if it's a kid they don't need to justify anything. They're a kid
A 6 year old asks for something.
The parents are the ones who get together and see if Thing is worth it. cause they're the adults.
No offense, just tell her. The fact that it is $20 now is not going to ruin your marriage or bring your family financial destruction.
You can write her a poem?
My dearest wife
I swear on my life
I could have taken plenty
But I only took twenty
Please do forgive me.
On you I did not cheat
A man I did not beat
I did not steal, I did not kill
Please forgive me when you see the bill.
It is good to know that I was not just missunderstanding the graph. Hopefully this holiday will be stronger than the last one. This years Pokémon still feels like a wild card to me I have no idea how it will be perceived.
Yup. I stupidly bought it at full price. It was half off less than 2 weeks later. Great game though.
Nirolak What is your take on Wild Arms Million Memories? The numbers/rankings are looking pretty low to me. Arc the Lad had a way better debut (not sure if it will keep getting good numbers tho, this month seems like the game had a bit of a drop, but maybe it's still doing well or there's an event coming up).
There's not really any counter argument. It's behind the 3DS because it was a powerhouse the first years when it came to hardware, but had much lower SW sales in comparison.
She would probably point out there was no rhyme with "Please do forgive me" and ask for a divorce, but I like the idea.
It started pretty low and just went lower. The reviews, while not too bad, are also not amazing. Probably not going to be a success.
Arc so far seems to be performing like a healthy mid-tier banner driven gacha game. If it stays where it is now for an entire month, that wouldn't be good, but it's went down into the 150 range to jump back into the top 20 before, which is pretty normal for games like this once people have the starting characters they want. For example, Quiz RPG back in the day was getting Top 10 performances by sitting in the 200 range and then going up to the Top 5-8 during banners.
Poor Astro deserves so much better. Up there and even beyond of GoW and Spidey when it comes to Sony exclusives.
It's still fairly early in the switches life time. For example the PSP which is tracking well below the switch finished over 20 million in life time sales, there's still time for the sales trajectory to change.
The 3DS is tracking ahead but had already received a huge price reduction by this stage of its life.
In the next 12-14 months the switch has a lot of things coming. Pokémon, smash, animal crossing, YW4, fire emblem etc. With a potential redesign or price cut we could see that sales curve change significantly. Up until now 2018 has been a fairly weak year so I'm not surprised it's sales haven't taken off just yet.
It's hard to get a consensus because people have different barometers of success.
From a financial point of view it is hard to argue that the Switch is doing poorly, just check the yearly earnings. The combined sales of the WiiU and 3DS were a LOT higher than the Switch alone but Nintendo is making more money now.
From a "number of systems actually in households" it gets a bit more tricky.
The graph you quoted shows (launch aligned) the 5 highest selling consoles in recent history. If we add contemporary systems like the PS4, Vita, Xbox 1, PS3, 360 to the graph you would see that the Switch, time aligned, is significantly higher in sales. [can we get such a graph?] But what that means will depend on the reader.
Most important is the readers definitions of poor and good. If for example, someone thinks the PS4 is doing "good" then the Switch, which is selling more units launch aligned, is doing "better than good". If someone thinks the Switch is doing "very poor" they would also need to agree that the PS4 (in Japan) is doing "worse than very poor".
If the break even point for "success" is unit sales (not revenue) equaling PS2, DS, 3DS, Super Famicom, etc. then yes, the Switch is doing very poor.
That's why there is so much discussion in media create threads. We all have the same numbers, but varying expectations, viewpoints and bias.
I hope that helps.
EDIT: While I was writing this I see Hiska-kun put up a graph that connects to one of the things I was saying. Cheers.
my friend, not gonna tell you how to live your life, but is you are losing sleep over 20$ a year. you likely have more problems than this
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
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| NSW | 43.197 | 36.751 | 74.500 | 1.762.517 | 1.808.583 | 5.169.675 |
| PS4 # | 20.520 | 17.299 | 34.564 | 1.217.718 | 1.391.296 | 7.074.581 |
| 3DS # | 6.651 | 6.788 | 20.680 | 440.487 | 1.383.897 | 24.179.031 |
| PSV # | 2.760 | 2.619 | 4.256 | 151.724 | 322.950 | 5.795.350 |
| XB1 # | 114 | 125 | 53 | 10.967 | 6.085 | 98.559 |
| WIU | 18 | 19 | 32 | 2.004 | 20.981 | 3.303.559 |
https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-39-2018-sep-24-sep-30.72505/
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Oh yeah. That's what I was thinking for them. No hopes at all for Wild Arms, Arc the Lad can be a good mid-tier title, I'm just wondering it will stabilize as that or if it will go lower with smaller peaks, but considering reception seems to be good I guess the userbase has higher chances of keeping with it.
You might prefer this one then, compared the previous gen.
Thanks! You are great at providing these amazing graphs!
I thought 3DS did so poorly it's first year so it put Nintendo in panic mode with prize cuts and focusing all seems development on the system at the expense of the Wii u?
Yeah I guess is is hard to have clear picture because of HW shortages in the beginning , no prize cut yet, no Pokémon etc..
Great information! This makes me understand it much better.
(And Hiska-Kun must have psychic abilities ;-) )
Glad to help. It can be very confusing if you don't follow it each week.
I wouldn't be surprised if it drops somewhat over time, as least in terms of positional numbers. Those kinds of positions are hard to keep when so many high end games come out per year, with the market also growing heavily to boot.
Wild Arms does not seems going to succeed at all if you ask me. Based on those who have played the game, they dont really have positive thing to talk about the game.
Arc da Lad does have the chance of becoming the most successful forward works mobage which not hard to do considering how many flop they have made.
However it remain to be seen if it will end up on the level of Star Ocean/Valkyria Profile mobage or something even lower than those.
Also, it seems recently Sega have been going full force into mobage market once more with that Gravity mobage and the new revolver. And based on what i see, i can see revolver probably doing as well as Chain Chronicle or Hortensia Saga there. The game seems to be oozing styles. The thing remain is whether Sega have learn a lot after tons of their games flop.
It can't be helped if the hardware sales of the PSVR are limiting its reach.
Def, but if there is one game every PSVR owner should have, this is it ;-;
ehh. Do you think so? Looks pretty generic to me in-gameplay itself. Sega isn't doing that well for some time already and I don't have a lot of hope for these new releases.
Actually based on the trailer, i feel the artist art looks good and the ingame character especially feels and looks really good as it does not feel budget at all.
The problem probably will be gameplay. It will be interesting to see if those part will be its biggest pit fall or not.
Also due to the fact that it is selling approximately the same amounts of software as the 3DS was launch aligned despite the hardware sales differential.
I mean, that's the most important part of the market, so yeah, that's a great counterpoint. You should also note that 3ds sold this well due to a massive price cut 5 months after launch, which is a trump card Switch still has in its arsenal.
Edit: and with regards to the WII, its sales were incredibly frontloaded in Japan. So much so, in fact, that Switch will pass it this holiday despite being a million behind and will leave the WII in the dust afterwards. So, Switch isn't going to end up behind WII or anything, as one could possibly think on the basis of that graph. Just wanted to make that clear as well, since I've read a comment saying Switch is doing "ok for a home console", which is not true: it's doing amazing for a console, and ok for a handheld (disregarding price considerations).
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Phil is in Japan, they probably bought some consoles so they can have a party. :-D
I remember hearing like 200k total sales around last year when the new model came out? At the very least I personally don't think we're past 300k units.
Not to that extent in Japan, that situation was more representative of the western situation. We're talking about a system that sold close to 1/3rd of its total hardware solely in Japan.
Not only that. But children have always been shameless when asking for parents to buy them stuff. They don't actually care about what their parent thinks about the question, just getting a yes and or what retort to use when getting a no.
It's the price of a movie at a theatre, about a third the price of a game, half the price of a CD, and a quarter what I spent having dinner and drinks with my friend on Sunday.
Having to pay for it is really shitty, but it is not so expensive that it needs to be budgeted for or discussed about for an adult.
Thank you for your reply! And yeah I was being cheeky :D
That said I really want to experience the game for myself. Hell I was impressed just by Minecraft on Vive...
Im also curious. I dont know what people are expecting, but i think the console isnt doing that bad when you look at the lifespan. Selling 30-50% compared to the relatively new Nintendo console in Japan isnt that big of a gap imo. They both should have solid numbers that are also relatively robust.
Haha, depends on if you are in primary or middle school in Japan. A single lunch is 230¥ for primary, 270¥ for middle. High schoolers - tough luck.
If I eat out for lunch it is usually between 550¥ and 1600¥. One coin eateries are hard to find these days.
By the end of 2017
PS VR - 336.699
From MC white book.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...-02-2017-dec-31-new-used.66944/#post-12338879
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Aw shit son already it surpassed my expectations.
Never did translate to good software sales though.
The focus in this thread bizarely enough lies on the "concerning" Switch sales, which at worst sells at PS2 levels, and not PS4. Sub 14k for a console simply isn't healthy and unlike in the past years there is no other Sony system/still relevant handheld to compensate these bad sales.
Well guess what Ninty? From the first you should have look for those big mobage devs lol.
Now lets wait for Colopl x Nintendo or Wright Flyer Studio x Nintendo project next lol.
When you consider the circumstances i think its doing ok. They compensate it probably ww and due general growth of the whole industry.
Damn, I'm lucky if going out to lunch costs under $30/person here, not talking fast food, but a normal restaurant lunch is definitely over $20, even going to the deli getting a sandwich and drink is over $10 now. It's not uncommon for a single pizza to be around $20 now as well, prices just keep rising.
Anyway, I wonder if the comments about Switch not selling like a portable are because portables don't sell like portables anymore in general. Have we really seen any portable sustain significantly stronger long-term averages of 75-100k sales / week or so in Japan since mobile has made such a huge impact in portable gaming? Even going back to 2014, random weeks of 3DS hardware are selling in the 25-40k range, not much different than Switch.