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Media Create Sales: Week 42, 2019 (Oct 14 - Oct 20)

IamFlying

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Chris1964 said:
3DS had a long life length since Pokemon gave a boost at its final years but despite that total sales were very disappointing if you remove Japan from equation. That Switch beats it so easy at hardware and software confirms that.
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It was disappointing compared to DS? But as a gaming device it was okay? It sold around 75mio worldwide. That was 60mio more than its direct competitor PSP. 50mio sold outside of Japan. More than many home consoles. I mean the XBoxOne will probably not manage to sell 50mio worldwide.
 
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Wander_ said:
Wii had way more retail games on the market in its early years though. also, that switch software number doesn't include sales for digital-only games (indies, stuff like naruto trilogy and so on).
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Gotdatmoney said:
Yeah. This is true. Wii had good software sales.

With the rise of digital software the comparison isn't as clean though. Lots of digital only software has performed well on Switch.
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I mean digital only titles make comparisons somewhat harder but as we don't have concrete data on them we have to go with data we have.

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I was thinking more about the core Nintendo titles like Smash, Mario, Zelda specifically
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Fair enough. 2D Mario is only traditional Nintendo franchise where Switch title doesn't get anywhere near Wii (or DS) entry. With Mario Kart it could go either way.

IamFlying said:
This probably includes Wii Sports?
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I mean software shipments always include all bundled games (for all systems). It's also kinda moot point because Wii Sports was big system seller title for Wii (I mean it did near 4 million even in Japan where it was not bundled).
 
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KillerMan91 said:
I mean software shipments always include all bundled games (for all systems). It's also kinda moot point because Wii Sports was big system seller title for Wii (I mean it did near 4 million even in Japan where it was not bundled).
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True but it was bundled abroad meaning that you either got a Wii + Wii Sports or got nothing during the first years.
 
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IamFlying said:
It was disappointing compared to DS? But as a gaming device it was okay? It sold around 75mio worldwide. That was 60mio more than its direct competitor PSP. 50mio sold outside of Japan. More than many home consoles. I mean the XBoxOne will probably not manage to sell 50mio worldwide.
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No, it wasn't ok, it's the weakest Nintendo handheld. Xbox One selling 50m doesn't make it any astonishing success, the system is basically in zombie state outside English speaking countries.
 
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Chris1964 said:
Unlike Q1 there will be updates of Japanese shipments for a big number of titles at Wednesday.

Super Mario Maker 2
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe
Fire Emblem: Three Houses
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening

Maybe some of these too
Super Mario Odyssey
Super Mario Party
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order
Astral Chain


There could also be mention of Ring Fit sales.
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No chance for splatoon 2?
 
KillerMan91

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sfortunato said:
True but it was bundled abroad meaning that you either got a Wii + Wii Sports or got nothing during the first years.
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Well excluding bundled games is hard because we don't know how many didn't play Wii Sports at all or how many only played Wii Sports for some period of time after their purchase. Otherwise it doesn't matter because you always buy at least one game with your new console.


Chris1964 said:
No, it wasn't ok, it's the weakest Nintendo handheld. Xbox One selling 50m doesn't make it any astonishing success, the system is basically in zombie state outside English speaking countries.
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Not to mention Nintendo supported 3DS way more than any of their previous handhelds. They threw almost everything they had behind it (especially after WiiU bombed out of the gates). Instead of spin off Mario Kart 3DS got numbered entry, it got proper Smash, it got 3D Mario platformer etc. Considering the support 3DS got from Nintendo (and huge price cuts) its performance in west was disappointing. Especially in US. GBA sold over double the amount in US with weaker Nintendo support and in way less time.
 
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Zedark said:
Sounds like PS4 is headed for a steep decline compared to last year's record, then. Here's COD's performance throughout the generation, sorted by launch sales (and by LTD sales as well, incidentally. Numbers by Gamedatalibrary):
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PS4    Call of Duty: Black Ops 4    233.762    666.816    SIE    12/10/2018
PS4    Call of Duty: WWII    170.996    459.523    SIE    03/11/2017
PS4    Call of Duty: Black Ops III    147.204    412.822    SCE    06/11/2015
PS4    Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare    100.877    215.818    SIE    04/11/2016
PS4    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition    68.261    98.564    Square Enix    13/11/2014

BLOPS4 was a crazy performance for the franchise. Will be interesting to see if MW can beat WWII and BLOPSIII on PS4 (BLOPSIII had a PS3 sku as well). That would put it at 170k+ (if WWII is beaten) or 150k+ (if BLOPSIII is beaten), which is not too bad, although at 150k it would rank among some of more unimpressive performances for COD in the last two gens in Japan.
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You're listing numbers with Famitsu's digital estimates FYI. Could you post the retail numbers instead? Black Ops 4 only sold 511K at retail for example.
 
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ZSaberLink said:
You're listing numbers with Famitsu's digital estimates FYI. Could you post the retail numbers instead?
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Yes, I can. I was focused on FW sales, so I didn't really consider the difference in this case (FW numbers don't include digital). Here goes (Gamedatalibrary again):
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#    Title    FW    LTD    LTD retail    LTD digital    Publisher    Release Date
9    Call of Duty: Black Ops 4    233.762    666.816    511.722    155.094    SIE    12/10/2018
19    Call of Duty: WWII    170.996    459.523    387.498    72.025    SIE    03/11/2017
20    Call of Duty: Black Ops III [All Versions]    147.204    431.701    403.054    28.647    SCE    06/11/2015
25    Call of Duty: Black Ops III    147.204    412.822    385.147    27.675    SCE    06/11/2015
76    Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare    100.877    215.818    191.509    24.309    SIE    04/11/2016
144    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare [All Versions]    68.261    108.639    102.668    5.971    Square Enix    13/11/2014
156    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition    68.261    98.564    92.593    5.971    Square Enix    13/11/2014
352    Call of Duty: Ghosts - Dubbed Edition    11.775    26.322    26.322    0    Square Enix    22/02/2014
483    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Dubbed Edition    10.075    10.075    10.075    0    Square Enix    04/12/2014
518    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered    4.747    6.677    6.677    0    SIE    27/07/2017
408    Call of Duty: Black Ops III - Game of the Year Edition    3.980    18.879    17.907    972    SIE    29/06/2017
 
HaremKing

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So as seen with Black Ops III over Infinite Warfare, it looks like Japan likes the Blops series more (with 2015 higher than 2016). WW2 was a break in the pattern as it was a very different setting. So ~175k opening for Modern Warfare would be in line with the data.
 
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KillerMan91 said:
I mean digital only titles make comparisons somewhat harder but as we don't have concrete data on them we have to go with data we have.
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Actually Nintendo used to give out VC updates early on in Wii's lifecycle in interviews or IR Q&As. The last update iirc reflected the first 5 quarters and said VC sales were over 10 million. As of the 7th quarter VC (which had been significantly overperforming expectations) was deemphasized in favor of WiiWare (which continually underperformed) and we stopped getting any unit figures although we did sometimes get value updates for both.
 

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KillerMan91 said:
It doesn't though (yet at least).

Software shipments after 9 quarters:

Switch: 210 million units shipped
Wii: 353 million units shipped

Wii was software monster in its early years.
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Nintendo provided information in one of the quarterly briefings that indicated the average spend on games for switch owners is significantly higher than previous Nintendo systems including the Wii.

This matches what we have seen so far with so many successes on the switch. While the Wii software shipments are impressive it also had a higher install base, Wii sports and Wii play were included and no digital.

The switch has thousands of digital only games that are not included in shipment data and dozens of free to play Gaas titles that bring in a lot of money (fortnite only is a beast).

Since it's impossible to calculate the value of all this we should be going off the chart provided by Nintendo that shows the switch is dwarfing the software spend compared to previous consoles
 
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fiendcode said:
Actually Nintendo used to give out VC updates early on in Wii's lifecycle in interviews or IR Q&As. The last update iirc reflected the first 5 quarters and said VC sales were over 10 million. As of the 7th quarter VC (which had been significantly overperforming expectations) was deemphasized in favor of WiiWare (which continually underperformed) and we stopped getting any unit figures although we did sometimes get value updates for both.
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Cool. Didn't remember that. Shame that they stopped doing that. Weird that they still don't give any concrete sales data of digital only titles on Switch considering that by all accounts indies have done well on the system.

MasterChumly said:
Nintendo provided information in one of the quarterly briefings that indicated the average spend on games for switch owners is significantly higher than previous Nintendo systems including the Wii.

This matches what we have seen so far with so many successes on the switch. While the Wii software shipments are impressive it also had a higher install base, Wii sports and Wii play were included and no digital.

The switch has thousands of digital only games that are not included in shipment data and dozens of free to play Gaas titles that bring in a lot of money (fortnite only is a beast).

Since it's impossible to calculate the value of all this we should be going off the chart provided by Nintendo that shows the switch is dwarfing the software spend compared to previous consoles
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Sure. But the original post was about software sales themselves (or I thought it was heh) so I just corrected that. I mean the same goes for PS4 that average spending per title is way higher than on something like PS2 (which is big part of the reason for record profits of gaming division).

evilmonkey said:
Mario Kart DS was no spin-off. Mario Kart 7 was called that simply because it was the seventh entry, while DS was the fifth.
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Chris1964 said:
There aren't Mario Kart spin offs, every handheld and home console entry is main. Only the arcade games are non numbered and we'll see what will happen with Mario Kart Tour.
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Fair enough. Somehow thought that it was higher effort because of being numbered title.
 
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Sinobi (Amazon data)

P5R has strong pre-orders, it should have good opening.

P5S had great start, pre-orders 6:4 in favour of PS4.
 

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if they have good support the first 2 years then I see PS5 doing much better numbers than PS4 did. A exclusive MH would be the ideal situation and I strongly believe Sony is going to push Capcom to make a next gen only version. Its not a bad idea because having strong games early on can be very beneficial to publishers because it creates a massive migration to next gen and also creates high sales for premier games.
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KillerMan91 said:
Cool. Didn't remember that. Shame that they stopped doing that. Weird that they still don't give any concrete sales data of digital only titles on Switch considering that by all accounts indies have done well on the system.


Sure. But the original post was about software sales themselves (or I thought it was heh) so I just corrected that. I mean the same goes for PS4 that average spending per title is way higher than on something like PS2 (which is big part of the reason for record profits of gaming
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I guess that's what I'm trying to say is that the switch is selling more software than the Wii we don't have a good direct comparison though.
 
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Chris1964 said:
Sinobi (Amazon data)

P5R has strong pre-orders, it should have good opening.

P5S had great start, pre-orders 6:4 in favour of PS4.
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The 6:4 for P5S is really weird considering what MANUELF just said and that 3 PS4 SKU have been higher than the first switch SKU all the times I've been looking at the charts.

But Sinobi has to have better info than chart placement.
 
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HaremKing

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Nah, I'd trust Amazon to have better info personally. Though if Sinobi's data applies to more retailers than Amazon then it'd be understandable to have a different apparent ratio.
 
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HaremKing said:
Nah, I'd trust Amazon to have better info personally. Though if Sinobi's data applies to more retailers than Amazon then it'd be understandable to have a different apparent ratio.
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Chris just said that Sinobi is talking about Amazon numbers.

And to be fair it's not like I've been looking too closely or the moment when the reservations opened. I could be mistaken about the placement
 
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Sinobi lost the Famitsu subscription source but has direct access to Amazon data for years now.
 

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Zedark said:
Yes, I can. I was focused on FW sales, so I didn't really consider the difference in this case (FW numbers don't include digital). Here goes (Gamedatalibrary again):
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#    Title    FW    LTD    LTD retail    LTD digital    Publisher    Release Date
9    Call of Duty: Black Ops 4    233.762    666.816    511.722    155.094    SIE    12/10/2018
19    Call of Duty: WWII    170.996    459.523    387.498    72.025    SIE    03/11/2017
20    Call of Duty: Black Ops III [All Versions]    147.204    431.701    403.054    28.647    SCE    06/11/2015
25    Call of Duty: Black Ops III    147.204    412.822    385.147    27.675    SCE    06/11/2015
76    Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare    100.877    215.818    191.509    24.309    SIE    04/11/2016
144    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare [All Versions]    68.261    108.639    102.668    5.971    Square Enix    13/11/2014
156    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition    68.261    98.564    92.593    5.971    Square Enix    13/11/2014
352    Call of Duty: Ghosts - Dubbed Edition    11.775    26.322    26.322    0    Square Enix    22/02/2014
483    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Dubbed Edition    10.075    10.075    10.075    0    Square Enix    04/12/2014
518    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered    4.747    6.677    6.677    0    SIE    27/07/2017
408    Call of Duty: Black Ops III - Game of the Year Edition    3.980    18.879    17.907    972    SIE    29/06/2017
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IamFlying said:
It was disappointing compared to DS? But as a gaming device it was okay? It sold around 75mio worldwide. That was 60mio more than its direct competitor PSP. 50mio sold outside of Japan. More than many home consoles. I mean the XBoxOne will probably not manage to sell 50mio worldwide.
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3DS sales performance outside Japan were disappointing compared to any Nintendo handheld consoles (not just DS).
Switch is a far more healthy platform (and the company profits reflect that).

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Not to mention Nintendo supported 3DS way more than any of their previous handhelds. They threw almost everything they had behind it (especially after WiiU bombed out of the gates).
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Correct.
The only reason 3DS sold overall (slightly) more software than GBA was that Nintendo software production was behind it in a way it wasn't with GBA.
It helped that 3DS was the first handheld console strong enough to replicate in a satisfactory enough way most 3D experiences Nintendo used to produce for home console previously.
It made less and less sense for Nintendo to develop two version of the same franchise for two wildly different hardware architectures each generation.

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Week 44, 2019 (Oct 28 - Nov 3)

{2019.10.28}
[NSW] Door Kickers: Action Squad _Nintendo Switch Download Software_ |DL| <ACT> (Killhouse Games) (¥1.363)
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{2019.10.29}
[PS4] Giga Wrecker Alt. _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Rising Star Games) (¥2.726)

[XB1] Close to the Sun _Download Version_ |DL| <ADV> (Wired Productions) (¥3.181)
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{2019.10.30}
[XB1] Giga Wrecker Alt. _Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Rising Star Games) (¥2.726)
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{2019.10.31}
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[NSW] Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz HD <ACT> (Sega) (¥2.990)
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[NSW] FIA European Truck Racing Championship <RCE> (3goo) (¥5.200)
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{2019.11.01}
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Celine said:
3DS sales performance outside Japan were disappointing compared to any Nintendo handheld consoles (not just DS).
Switch is a far more healthy platform (and the company profits reflect that).
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Do we have any official number breakdowns by major region for GB, GBA, DS, and 3DS? I didn't realize it's North America sales were so disappointing (though I think I remember them being the lowest, but not half of GBA low).
 
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Celine said:
3DS sales performance outside Japan were disappointing compared to any Nintendo handheld consoles (not just DS).
Switch is a far more healthy platform (and the company profits reflect that).


Correct.
The only reason 3DS sold overall (slightly) more software than GBA was that Nintendo software production was behind it in a way it wasn't with GBA.
It helped that 3DS was the first handheld console strong enough to replicate in a satisfactory enough way most 3D experiences Nintendo used to produce for home console previously.
It made less and less sense for Nintendo to develop two version of the same franchise for two wildly different hardware architectures each generation.

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Wow. 3DS software would have been in the gutter if not for first party. Like N64 and Wii U.

Same trend we might be seeing in Switch worringly enough. Nintendo better be either moneyhatting or waking up dormant I.Ps if it wants to stay in software discussions like GOTY lists.
 
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Capcom's next round of Switch adult masterpieces is out next week and nobody will care again.
 
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we care so little about Capcom Switch releases that they're playing murder mystery trying to figure out what they're releasing
 
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