sure they do, and they always have to some extent, but that's not the entirety of what i was getting at. i'm talking about having prestige with this demographic, not just sales. nintendo games will never achieve the kind of cachet with the bulk of young adult male gamers that other publishers like sony achieve regularly with their premier releases. it's just not possible with nintendo hardware in its current form. in the age of social media and twitch/youtube streaming you can't underestimate the value of this kind of brand driven marketing to third party publishers.
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I dont think they would leave gaming but would had faced serious problem if ps4 would had failed
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Since Nagoshi cares only for PlayStation, Xbox and PC must not cater to these demographics either.
Well he had the opportunity to name PC and Xbox and he didn't so clearly not lol.
It was even possible on N64 with GoldenEye. So why not on Switch. Even Perfect Dark did quite well on late N64. I think for Nintendo to get these games they have to prove it. They just need a big western studio with yearly releases like Rare was in the past.
they could put more money into retro studios and buy next-level games to cover the off-years.
I'm late, but this is probably better than what happened in the last few pages. Time to compare recent releases with their previous iterations when possible (I don't think we have the first-day sell-through for Densha de Go DS back in 2010; but I'll check later anyway).
Atelier Ryza 2's first-day sell-through is in the same range as the original back in September 2019, which had a 60% FD sell-through as well. Assuming KT obtained to ship more copies on shelves this time (the original suffered from shortages shortly after launch), this could be a good hint at a stronger debut overall.
The original Atelier Ryza's debut:
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03./00. [PS4] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.09.26} (¥7.800) - 53.428 / NEW <80-100%>
09./00. [NSW] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.09.26} (¥7.800) - 25.538 / NEW <80-100%>
Media Create (including first-week sell-through)
[PS4] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.09.26} (¥7.800) - 44.693 / NEW (81,39%)
[NSW] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.09.26} (¥7.800) - 22.908 / NEW (83,39%)
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2019 (Sep 16 - Sep 22)
First Day Sell-through {2019.09.26} [PS4] Code Vein # (Bandai Namco Games) (¥8.200) - 40% [PS4] [NSW] Atelier Ryza: Ever Darkness & the Secret Hideout # (Koei Tecmo) (¥7.800) - 60% [PS4] Ys IX: Monstrum Nox # (Nihon Falcom) (¥7.800) - 50% [PS4] FIFA 20 (Champions Edition) (Electronic...
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Meanwhile, both Derby Stallion and Fitness Boxing 2 witnessed important improvements over the FD sell-throughs of their former respective iterations: Derby Stallion Gold for 3DS sell-through was 25% on its first day, and the original Fitness Boxing on Switch (the hybrid system that targets a wide variety of customers, not just teens and kids but definitely adults as well and way more, and which is home & portable at the same time. Not just home. Not just portable. Both. They're one and the same, you can't just consider one aspect while completely ignoring the other) had the *ahem* honor to be mentioned among other games in the so-called "Bomba Land Collection" (thus, 10% sell-through at best). Definitely a better situation for both games, and it's difficult to not imagine a way higher debut for FB2 at least.
Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2018 (Dec 10 - Dec 16)
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More details on Derby's Stallion Gold's first week
Famitsu
03./00. [3DS] Derby Stallion Gold <SLG> (Kadokawa Games) {2014.12.04} (¥6.264) - 70.402 / NEW <40-60%>
Media Create
03./00. [3DS] Derby Stallion Gold <SLG> (Kadokawa Games) {2014.12.04} (¥6.264) - 73.616 / NEW (53,66%)
And here's what we have for Fitness Boxing
[NSW] Fitness Boxing <HOB> (Imagineer) {2018.12.20} (¥5.800) - 2.533 / NEW (22,68%)
Which happened exactly because Sony sank a lot of resources into rebranding and readvertising.
Sony wiped a lot of the profits it had made in earlier generations so the PS3 could flourish by the end and pave the way for the PS4. It was more or less a reset button coming from the high of the PS2's success, which makes it more of a failure than not.
For those curious, his comments are in response to a question that begins around the 12 min mark about Super Monkey Ball being the first Sega game on a Nintendo platform.
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So what do you say, that market was ready to turn the back off of PS4 and Sony to say goodbye to video games? They apparently tried a lot to reverse PS3 fate and it worked, PS4 started from a strong position not a questionable one.
since then they've confirmed that development has officially begun.
Dragon Quest XII development preparations are underway (UPDATE: production began in 2019, says Horii)
https://gematsu.com/2019/06/dragon-quest-walk-announced-for-smartphones-dragon-quest-xii-preparations-underway UPDATE: the DQ11 team are recruiting for a new title https://gematsu.com/2019/06/square-enix-dragon-quest-xi-team-hiring-for-next-generation-dragon-quest-title UPDATE 2...
That was a sketchy translation that I already debunked before
GBA and SNES has some other trait in common: low first-party software sales by Nintendo's standard.
Though the origin/cause of the low first-party software sales is different between the two.
Most of Japan: "Super Mario 3D All-Stars is nice but who is still buying it?"
NSW - 13
PS4 - 7
Total: 673 (+245)
Customer walking into COMG: "Oh boy! Super Mario 3D All-Stars!"
This, at least for me, was an extremely weird move. It's not a totally impredictable one, since people pointed out some reasons before (3DS not being as sucessful as DS, Wii U flopping in all it's lifetime, PS4 being sucessful in the west even having a hard time in the Japan), but it's weird if considering that the 3DS had basically two DQ remakes prior the XI announcement. Why try to build a fanbase of the series inside the 3DS if they, at least in the beggining of the development, didn't had any intention on putting DQ11 on it? Wouldn't be easier to just remaster DQ8 for PS4?
About DQ 12, if they ever skip Switch and went full force to PS5, the only logical explanation on my mind is that they want to syncronize and parallel the Dragon Quest fanbase with the Final Fantasy fanbase and unify them into one console brand. It's probably the most stupid way to treat two different franchises with so little in common, but it's not the most impossible move ever for Square-Enix.
About Nagoshi and Switch being for Kids and Teens, knowing that the Yakuza series always gave me an impression of being a light-heated parody of the Real Yakuza, this kind of statement coming from him is a little ironic.
I am honestly really surprised to see the PS2 was less profitable than PS1.
Well speaking of doubtful translations...
Nagoshi is pretty pro-Sony no doubt, but this is a textbook example of badly paraphrasing an out of context quote just to get clicks/inflammatory comments (bonus points for mentioning Yakuza and using a "thug picture" on the article)
Nagoshi was asked about Super Monkey Ball and how it being the first Sega game on a Nintendo system might have affected development
He litterally replied that Nintendo platforms back then and even know have an install base made of a wide range of age groups but that the biggest ones are kids and teens (using 基本的に is a bit strong and does show a bias though, but that doesn't mean he didn't say what he said just in the previous sentence), that was an observation on his side (which might be debatable) and certainly not him saying "Nintendo hardwares are for kids and teens", that's litterally puting words in his mouth
I feel like I already made a rather similar post months ago on an older Nagoshi quotes, can't bother to check back, but while it's all fun and games to laugh about these few individuals and their obvious bias towards Sony, let's hold our horse downs and at least check the validity of what they supposedly said before making fun of it.
That one was also a fairly easy to pick for anyone bothering to check beyond a dumb twitter quote to be honest.
Exact quote is there a bit before the 12:00 mark if anyone wants to see by himself
my random prediction i made for this week back in october is a hot mess
NSW - 13
PS4 - 7
Total: 673 (+245)
what is the expectation for puyo puyo tetris 2? anyone have lifetime numbers for 1 handy?
edit: from gamedatalibrary
3DS - 100k
Switch - 83k
PS3 - 24k
Vita - 14k
Wii U - 8k
edit 2: looking at the yearly threads, the numbers are way out of date
edit: from gamedatalibrary
3DS - 100k
Switch - 83k
PS3 - 24k
Vita - 14k
Wii U - 8k
edit 2: looking at the yearly threads, the numbers are way out of date
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That really doesn't make it better in my eyes. It's extremely similar to the Lite answer during the Sakura Wars question. Why is he even talking about the current hardware being mostly used by kids and teens if the question was about something decades ago.
And also the source for "I think it's hardware for kids and teens" is an official translation from Sega's own subs in the video. So if there is any fault, it's with Sega for putting this out.
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Yeah, I wish we had a real translation of that interview. We only ever talked about the Sakura Wars line, but I remember someone mentioning that there were other outrageous things there.
PS5 top ten sweep is coming. All 30 slots if we only count LEGAL game sales.
I wonder, since he's mad at Nintendo because Yakuza flop on the Wii U, will they keep developing for Playstation because Sakura flop there? Or does that only applies for Nintendo consoles?
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Yakuza 1&2 not selling on Wii U was a real financial disaster for Sega, so much effort and resources for nothing. It's expected Nagoshi never overcame that, it's worse than Harada's huge investment on 3DS and Wii U that didn't pay off either.
is that really the reason? that seems way too petty... and stupid
i mean, whatever his reasons, they are probably petty, but this is too much
I guess it's a bigger deal than I thought. Why would ports be a "financial disaster" though...
I mean Sega has to be seriously mismanaged if a couple ports were that crippling for them
was chris being sarcastic? sincerely i do not know. i considered it but his delivery was so dry i couldn't tell
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Yakuza on the Wii U Is an "Experiment" and Not Happening for the 3DS
Yakuza 1 & 2 HD is coming to the Wii U. But what about future Yakuza games? Are they headed to the Wii U? And how about the 3DS? So many questions!
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Thank you, lol.Yakuza on the Wii U Is an "Experiment" and Not Happening for the 3DS
Yakuza 1 & 2 HD is coming to the Wii U. But what about future Yakuza games? Are they headed to the Wii U? And how about the 3DS? So many questions!
OK so I was right in the first place, he was flippant about Nintendo long before Yakuza flopped on Wii U
COMG! preorders chart, Week 49 2020:
Each point represents one preorder at this retailer. It is a relatively small retailer located in one region so be careful when you extrapolate, especially regarding Otaku games (overrepresented) and family games (underrepresented).
1. Monster Hunter Rise - 97 pts (+10 pts)
2. Cyberpunk 2077 – 33 pts (+10 pts)
3. Monster Hunter Rise Double Pack - 14 pts (+0 pt)
4. Aleste Collection Collector's Edition (PS4) - 9 pts (+0 pt)
5. Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury - 8 pts (+2 pts)
6. Story of Season Ranch of Olive Town - 7 pts (+2 pts)
7. Aleste Collection Collector's Edition (NSW) - 7 pts (+0 pt)
8. Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (NSW) - 7 pts (+2 pts)
9. Rune Factory 5 Collector's Edition - 6 pts (+3 pts)
10. Nier Replicant sqrt(1.5) - 6 pts (+0 pt)
11. Disgaea 6 Limited Edition (NSW) - 4 pts (+1 pt)
12. Bravely Default II - 3 pts (+1 pt)
13. Rune Factory 5 - 3 pts (NEW)
14. Yokai Watch Jam (NSW) - 3 pts (NEW)
15. Dokapon UP! Mugen no Roulette Limited Edition (PS4) - 3 pts (NEW)
16. Earth Defense Force: World Brothers (PS4) - 2 pts (NEW)
17. Children of Morta (NSW) - 2 pts (NEW)
18. Fate Extella Celebration Box for Nintendo Switch - 2 pts (NEW)
19. Disgaea 6 (PS4) - 2 pts (NEW)
20. Disgaea 6 (NSW) - 2 pts (NEW)
Each point represents one preorder at this retailer. It is a relatively small retailer located in one region so be careful when you extrapolate, especially regarding Otaku games (overrepresented) and family games (underrepresented).
1. Monster Hunter Rise - 97 pts (+10 pts)
2. Cyberpunk 2077 – 33 pts (+10 pts)
3. Monster Hunter Rise Double Pack - 14 pts (+0 pt)
4. Aleste Collection Collector's Edition (PS4) - 9 pts (+0 pt)
5. Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury - 8 pts (+2 pts)
6. Story of Season Ranch of Olive Town - 7 pts (+2 pts)
7. Aleste Collection Collector's Edition (NSW) - 7 pts (+0 pt)
8. Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (NSW) - 7 pts (+2 pts)
9. Rune Factory 5 Collector's Edition - 6 pts (+3 pts)
10. Nier Replicant sqrt(1.5) - 6 pts (+0 pt)
11. Disgaea 6 Limited Edition (NSW) - 4 pts (+1 pt)
12. Bravely Default II - 3 pts (+1 pt)
13. Rune Factory 5 - 3 pts (NEW)
14. Yokai Watch Jam (NSW) - 3 pts (NEW)
15. Dokapon UP! Mugen no Roulette Limited Edition (PS4) - 3 pts (NEW)
16. Earth Defense Force: World Brothers (PS4) - 2 pts (NEW)
17. Children of Morta (NSW) - 2 pts (NEW)
18. Fate Extella Celebration Box for Nintendo Switch - 2 pts (NEW)
19. Disgaea 6 (PS4) - 2 pts (NEW)
20. Disgaea 6 (NSW) - 2 pts (NEW)
I never saw this but damn that's really great seeing that distribution.We had this repartition for the Animal Crossing players:
Nagoshi being more vocal about the Switch lately could mean he's getting more internal pressure to expand to it. My understanding is that the "kiddy" stigma is more of a western thing and not all that common in Japan.
I have a feeling they had planned a DQ for the PS4 and 3DS, 2 totally different games to serve both audiences with the hope of also having the PS4 version break out in the west. But plans probably drastically changed when they got the data back about the PS4 version
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Nagoshi just 2 weeks ago stated that his team will continue to focus on PlayStation and could adopt more online / cinematic elements in order to match the content of the new platform.
iwata really had the clout to handle people like nagoshi, got him to appear in a Nintendo direct(for yakuza) and everything
Sega has the resources to do both which is probably why he frames it as an audience thing despite the data proving him wrong.
Last gen Sony wanted to consolidate the console industry under PS4 which obviously didn't work and for the last few years have moved to position it as the prestige system instead. It won't work either and instead it'll probably end up being the otaku console. It'll continue getting FF, Persona, Falcom games, etc as exclusives and those IPs will be fine since their audiences won't mind buying a console specifically to play those games.
I thought Sony had been distancing itself from a lot of those titles, outside of the obvious releases that lean towards the mainstream like Persona and Falcom?
