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Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2019 (Dec 02 - Dec 08)
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Wii situation was pretty different in terms of the actual support it got and audience it cultivated. The only real similarity was that big Japanese publishers largely slept on both. Unlike with Wii though there's no viable alternative for them like DS and PSP were.
As someone who went through the Wii era, this is nothing like the Wii situation. Sure, the Wii got COD and a few others, but the quantity and quality of non-"casual" 3rd party games on the Switch is so, so much better. Anyone who would have described the current situation in 2017 would have been laughed out of the room as delusional. Of course it is not at the support level of the others and it is not getting the level of support it should, but that is another story.
I think from the JP perspective the big difference is that basically all the small and midsize publishers are supporting Switch whereas a lot still skipped Wii. Big publisher support isn't all that different, fewer exclusives on Switch but more releases overall and everyone's still there
Speaking of...
What the fuck is this "Mario on Playstation" thing? Is that supposed to be in reference to Minecraft finally getting cross play on PS4?
i could see them pushing ps4 into the ps5's life as a more affordable console, but it specifically goes against their current brand of being the maker of bleeding edge tech to shift to making a system everyone can afford.
if sony had an interest in reaching a wider audience with more limited disposable income, they wouldn't have ditched their handheld line to chase vr, which fits with their brand of being a high-end tech company, despite the massive difference in userbase between even ps vr and vita.
sony cares about legacy as much as it gets people to buy the new thing. they don't weaponize nostalgia (at least not well - see ps one classic), and they haven't shown an interest in growing their casual market since the ps2 (and to a lesser extent, psp).
I'm gonna need some actual context for the message that "Mario on Playstation" came from.
No, it was something KingZell said. As in Halo Switch being equivalent to "Mario on PlayStation".
Sad to think the thing I want most on that leak list is the least likely one to happen (VJ3).
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It's "something Halo" on Switch that has been rumored for some months now.
Nintendo Switch Famitsu First-Party Package Retail
01. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} 3.362.447
02. [NSW] Splatoon 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} 3.200.850
03. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} 2.557.915
04. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} 2.224.881
05. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} 2.024.700
06. [NSW] Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu! / Let's Go, Eevee! # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2018.11.16} 1.670.109
07. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} 1.451.449
08. [NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} 1.177.650
09. [NSW] Kirby Star Allies <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.03.16} 752.260
10. [NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} 720.268
11. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <New Super Mario Bros. U \ New Super Luigi U> <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} 716.520
12. [NSW] 1 2 Switch <VAR> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} 456.724
13. [NSW] Arms <FIG> (Nintendo) {2017.06.07} 434.862
14. [NSW] Mario Tennis Aces <SPO> (Nintendo) {2018.06.22} 421.737
15. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} 328.511
16. [NSW] Luigi's Mansion 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.10.31} 319.297
17. [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX <FIG> (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22) 310.946
18. [NSW] Fire Emblem: Three Houses # <SLG> (Nintendo) {2019.07.26} 263.248
19. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} 250.368
20. [NSW] Xenoblade Chronicles 2<RPG> (Nintendo) {2017.12.01} 233.879
21. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2019.09.20} 231.996
22. [NSW] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.03.05} 227.296
23. [NSW] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker <PUZ> (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} 183.585
24. [NSW] Yoshi's Crafted World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.03.29} 164.164
25. [NSW] Snipperclips: Cut It Out Together! <PUZ> (Nintendo) {2017.03.16} 91.391
26. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 04: VR Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2019.04.12} 64.516
27. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 02: Robot Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} 56.307
28. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 03: Vehicle Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.09.14} 49.175
29. [NSW] Astral Chain # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.08.30} 46.875
30. [NSW] Bayonetta 1 + 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.05.17} 38.266
31. [NSW] Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido <PUZ> (Nintendo) {2018.06.07} 9.782
32. [NSW] Tetris 99 <PZL> (Nintendo) {2019.08.09} 8.221
01. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} 3.362.447
02. [NSW] Splatoon 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} 3.200.850
03. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} 2.557.915
04. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} 2.224.881
05. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} 2.024.700
06. [NSW] Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu! / Let's Go, Eevee! # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2018.11.16} 1.670.109
07. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} 1.451.449
08. [NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} 1.177.650
09. [NSW] Kirby Star Allies <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.03.16} 752.260
10. [NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} 720.268
11. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <New Super Mario Bros. U \ New Super Luigi U> <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} 716.520
12. [NSW] 1 2 Switch <VAR> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} 456.724
13. [NSW] Arms <FIG> (Nintendo) {2017.06.07} 434.862
14. [NSW] Mario Tennis Aces <SPO> (Nintendo) {2018.06.22} 421.737
15. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} 328.511
16. [NSW] Luigi's Mansion 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.10.31} 319.297
17. [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX <FIG> (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22) 310.946
18. [NSW] Fire Emblem: Three Houses # <SLG> (Nintendo) {2019.07.26} 263.248
19. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} 250.368
20. [NSW] Xenoblade Chronicles 2<RPG> (Nintendo) {2017.12.01} 233.879
21. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2019.09.20} 231.996
22. [NSW] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.03.05} 227.296
23. [NSW] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker <PUZ> (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} 183.585
24. [NSW] Yoshi's Crafted World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.03.29} 164.164
25. [NSW] Snipperclips: Cut It Out Together! <PUZ> (Nintendo) {2017.03.16} 91.391
26. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 04: VR Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2019.04.12} 64.516
27. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 02: Robot Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} 56.307
28. [NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 03: Vehicle Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.09.14} 49.175
29. [NSW] Astral Chain # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.08.30} 46.875
30. [NSW] Bayonetta 1 + 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.05.17} 38.266
31. [NSW] Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido <PUZ> (Nintendo) {2018.06.07} 9.782
32. [NSW] Tetris 99 <PZL> (Nintendo) {2019.08.09} 8.221
I mean their brand has been always about being maker of bleeding edge tech. PS1, PS2 and PSP were also state of art tech when they released (actually more so than Vita and PS4). Didn't stop them from selling plenty of both after the launch of the successor console. PS3 is pretty much only one that breaks the trend (as that they killed it off) but I think that was partly because it was overengineered disaster tech wise (so it was hard to reduce manufacturing costs) and it was not market leading console so there was less demand for cheap entry level option after PS4 launched. Also regarding of Sony not weaponizing nostalgia we are going to have huge AAA remake of FFVII in just few months moneyhatted by Sony. Also Crash remake had one year exclusive window and is still big part of PS4 marketing (at least in Europe). Medievil remake also just released a month ago.
Wasnt the PS2 the least powerful console of the generation ?
It launched year earlier (actually more like 1.5 years) than Xbox or GC and back then one year meant more when it came to graphics tech than it does today. Also you are forgetting poor old Dreamcast lol.
The GC was fully ready in july 2000. The launch was delayed because software wasn't ready
Oh. I just remember that they unveiled it during the fall of 2000 (compared to fall of 1999 for PS2) Also in my opinion GC is maybe the best engineered console of all time when it comes to performance/price ratio. Doesn't change the fact though that PS2 was absolutely state of art tech too when it launched. far more so than PS4.
KillerMan91 my reading of the current situation is the following.
The audience both Sony and MS are purchasing with their audience is the same : mainly young male adults.
That pie is worth about 170m consoles right now. They have a lead in terms of 1st party content, tier support and geographical presence. However they are now competing with a renewed Xbox. This makes reproducing the PS4 numbers harder.
Also, why not use that incredible lead they had to diversify their portfolio even more ? Their output during the PS/PS2 era was way more diversified.
They are doing great right now but we all know how fast moving is this industry. You always have to offer something new to bring fesh blood. When a console is a roaring succes like the PS4, it is tempting to just follow the same recipe.
The audience both Sony and MS are purchasing with their audience is the same : mainly young male adults.
That pie is worth about 170m consoles right now. They have a lead in terms of 1st party content, tier support and geographical presence. However they are now competing with a renewed Xbox. This makes reproducing the PS4 numbers harder.
Also, why not use that incredible lead they had to diversify their portfolio even more ? Their output during the PS/PS2 era was way more diversified.
They are doing great right now but we all know how fast moving is this industry. You always have to offer something new to bring fesh blood. When a console is a roaring succes like the PS4, it is tempting to just follow the same recipe.
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3d Mario
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - 2.250.000 (until March 2019)
[3DS] Super Mario 3D Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.571) - 2.198.520 (Media Create)
[N64] Super Mario 64 <ACT> (Nintendo) {1996.06.23} (¥9.800) - 1.920.000
[NDS] Super Mario 64 DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2004.12.02} (¥4.571) - 1.290.000
[WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2010.05.27} (¥5.524) - 1.070.000
[WII] Super Mario Galaxy <ACT> (Nintendo) {2007.11.01} (¥5.524) - 1.030.000
[GCN] Super Mario Sunshine <ACT> (Nintendo) {2002.07.19} (¥6.476) - 827.288 (Media Create)
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.700) - 756.289 (Media Create)
We'll get an update this quarter, Odyssey will be around 2,4m.
dunno, whatever it looks like, it won't look as good as fighterz and Kakarot.
So I don't think that's the focus. (plus these games look so ugly I'd have little faith anyway). Esp when it'll sell better than those two games by a decent margin (unless Kakarot surprises me).
I think they'll sell it on the rpg elements and even more create character and weird story stuff. & more online interactivity
SMG2 outselling SMG... a moment most pleasing to me and my career.
huh that's kind of weird.
I'm assuming it must be like the only major region where that happened, considering the WW LTDs
any reason in particular in japan?
Possibly because Wii never really had the "boom phase" it had in the rest of the world initially?
but even without that, I just feel that usually relatively iterative sequels on the same console do worse, unless something is going on. i.e. new franchise so sequel is when it blows up.
or heavy bundles
or changing gaming landscape before sequel, etc
SMG2 being up in japan is surprising
Who knows. Didn't the Switch version eventually pass the PS4 original? Pretty sure they can ignore that unless they are making this big 50GB game with brand new assets and all the rest of it.
Theyr probably consider Bravely Second as Bravely Default - II (like FFX and FFX-2).
We've been getting hints about this since around when Octopath released, so it's been in the works for a hot minute.
I remember discussing with Nirolak that if they were concerned about the sales decline they could always do Bravely Default 2 and demote Second.
I looked up Claytechworks and they are the developer of Fairy Effect
Asano said games like Bravely and Octopath takes 3 years+ so we are looking at 2017 at the very least.
I looked up Claytechworks and they are the developer of Fairy Effect
Asano said games like Bravely and Octopath takes 3 years+ so we are looking at 2017 at the very least.
Square Enix and bizarre sequel numbering, name a better duo
I'm happy it's getting the western support too with titles like Gods & Monsters and Maneater.
And since it's suddenly relevant, anyone have a refresher of what BD and BS did in Japan?
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Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2019 (Dec 02 - Dec 08)
01./01. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} (¥5.980)
02./05. [NSW] Luigi's Mansion 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.10.31} (¥5.980)
03./07. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} (¥7.980)
04./08. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200)
05./06. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield Dual Pack {Pokemon Sword \ Pokemon Shield} <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} (¥11.960)
06./09. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980)
07./10. [NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980)
08./00. [NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} (¥5.980)
09./00. [NSW] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 <SPT> (Sega) {2019.11.01} (¥5.990)
10./00. [NSW] Minecraft # <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600)
Top 10
NSW - 10
01./01. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} (¥5.980)
02./05. [NSW] Luigi's Mansion 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.10.31} (¥5.980)
03./07. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} (¥7.980)
04./08. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200)
05./06. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield Dual Pack {Pokemon Sword \ Pokemon Shield} <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2019.11.15} (¥11.960)
06./09. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980)
07./10. [NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980)
08./00. [NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} (¥5.980)
09./00. [NSW] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 <SPT> (Sega) {2019.11.01} (¥5.990)
10./00. [NSW] Minecraft # <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600)
Top 10
NSW - 10
Bravely Default trying to go for that Final Fantasy scheme lol
Every new Bravely Default number indicates a new world and new characters I guess
Every new Bravely Default number indicates a new world and new characters I guess