I'm not really insulting any individual coders, but the overall qc at gust has continuously been piss poor with no signs of improvement.
Hopefully the continuous sales decline will make KT to better manage gust games.
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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2017 (Dec 11 - Dec 17)
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Hopefully the continuous sales decline will make KT to better manage gust games.
Yeah. Imagine if they made something like an ultimate version of SF 2. I'm pretty sure it would be a smash hit. Well, they never learn...
Well other KT brands have similar problems(most notably Musou) so it's not all on Gust.
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That's only 1 out of the 3 fighting games they released in 2017 and the producers of their main one scoffed at the idea of a Switch version(not that it would have helped all that much).
Gust actually managing to release as many games as they release per year is insane. I imagine that's why they get passes for low sales.
Because it insinuates things that certain posters would like to believe is true. It gets brought up by the same people every now and then to no surprise.
Yes, because me saying how it got numerous core gameplay points wrong, had the wrong title, and even wrong it platforms is somehow no argument.
You said it in a blunter more truthful way.
If porting a PS4/ XBO game to the Switch was easy, i wonder why Namco hasn't already announced their new fighting games for the system. Xenoverse could be something different, since it's not using "high quality" graphics.
I imagine the case with DB Fighterz is that they can't get it out on the Switch at the same time as the others and they don't want to announce a later port yet and risk people holding off on the other versions.
I don't think Capcom is really "sad" about their fighting game efforts for Switch. SF5 was funded by Sony ーit can't be ported, and MvCI would bomb anyway even with a Switch version. If anything they're probably happy as they made good money with USFII.
They're likely just sad about MVC:I in general since that's been one of their biggest bombs outside of Dead Rising. That an their inabilty to accurately predict anything which can be a terminal flaw if not properly rectified (How earth do make approapiate budgeting and green light and consistenty green lit successful title if your quarterly predictive capability is absolute ass).
Ohh, i forgot about that one. I was thinking about stuff like Tekken and SC.
Anyway, what's the deal with DBZF? The game doesn't look very different from GGXrd, which was on PS3.
Maybe it needs more power, since now you have 6 characters fighting at the same time, right?
Even in DBFZ Hit doesn't look anywhere close to a Tekken character in terms of detail so I'm not sure what that's meant to show. Nevermind the fact that the scale of Tekken and the Xenoverse games are entirely different.
I'm sure if Xenoverse 2 hadn't been ported to Switch people would be saying it's not possible for that either.
Why? It doesn't look very different to Xeno 1 on PS3 and 360
I just don't get the point of this convo. Yes, Switch can run the game, but if anything they're probably happy they didn't develop another MvCI version as I doubt it would get even close to the 500k USFII sold.
Oh I agree. My original point was to rebuke the idea that USF2 was Capcom being savvy and capitalizing on the audience on Switch. For one it also ignores that Capcom skipped Switch for their HD port of UMVC3 which released on PC and XBO in March.
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They didn't include the DLC for Xenoverse 2 so they won't for DBFZ if they eventually port it to Switch.
Fighter Z doesn't look different than Guilty Gear Xrd on PS3.
You should just use your ignore function.
This doesn't answer what i asked. Anyway, from a technical point of view, 3 and Infinite look very different.
If you can't see it, get your eyes checked.
Yeah, i'm pretty sure it can, but you need resources to port the game to a weaker system and make it look good enough to the point people won't see it as the "inferior version".
LOL
I would gather that the release of Xenoverse had already been planned and they wanted to concentrate on the other platforms for FighterZ while Xenoverse got them sales (though that's contradicted by them releasing a deluxe edition on other platforms later on, even if that didn't quite sell as much as the Switch version it turned out).
I think DBFZ is gonna be on Switch eventually, either they don't want to announce it now to get those first platform sales or Nintendo wants to announce it on their terms.
Didn't see your post. As long as we agree its not tech holding back Fighter Z (which I mean they said it isn't).
Tekken 7 is a different story. Game is 720p on X1 with load times long enough to actually take years off your life. There aint much point in a Switch version.
It's an Arcsys game so it will get a release with all the DLC and new content in like a year anyways
That's not really the same thing. That was more of a GotY type thing with Xenoverse 2 still getting DLC, while Arcsys outright makes your old game obsolete.
Neat indeed, but it's not the first time you teased news from niche developers in the next future :P
Also, small OT, I had a curiosity about Disgaea 5's digital sales in the West: I remember you stated in the past how its launch was above expectations both at retail and digital, and how, even months later, its digital sales kept on being "strong" (I assume relatively to retail sales). Since John Harker recently posted that 15% digital share for games on Switch is a decent estimate on average, I was curious (if it's possible to share obviously) to know if Disgaea 5 is seeing a similar digital share or higher than that.
Fortunately they did just that. And they were rewarded with their only fighter that didn't underperform this gen.
When the hell was Fantasy Life Online announced cause I just noticed it got delayed.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/652/1652742/
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/652/1652742/
This was announced a really really long time ago as Fantasy Life 2, but then was changed to Fantasy Life Online and has been delayed constantly.
Atlus published the Persona games and the same thing happened there.
Level 5 is a joke.
They are still selling a lot of copies of SF V.
http://twinfinite.net/2017/12/street-fighter-v-sales-copies/
USF 2 was a success, but it won't have legs similar to V
Marvel was a disaster, but there is a small possibility of better sales if they can improve the roster and the graphics. And a Switch version wouldn't have made things better...
I mean, USF2 won't have 3 years+ of dlc either. SFV should have legs considering the investment into it, but it still missed it's targets significantly. MVCI did even worse.
Hey now, Matsuda told me he was opening a new studio specifically for making games like Chrono Trigger. Not my fault he lied directly to my monitor.
If you mean higher than Bravely Second, yes. Bravely Default and Octopath (seemingly) have budgets appropriate for the scale and quality of games he wants to make though. He can stay in that budget range forever, as far as I'm concerned. He seems to excel there.
Level 5:
Otome game: just released
YW1 mobile port: last we heard about the game it was slated to release early 2017 after a delay
Snack World mobile version: was originally supposed to release before the 3DS version, was delayed to December, and is now a generic 2018 date. The 3DS version suffered from on delays as well
Fantasy Life Online: delayed again
IE Ares: Was originally a Fall 2017 title that got delayed along with the anime
Megaton Musashi: Last we heard it was slated to release Summer 2017
Keep in mind that 2017 was supposed to be the year where Level 5 expanded and created new franchises other than YW.
Otome game: just released
YW1 mobile port: last we heard about the game it was slated to release early 2017 after a delay
Snack World mobile version: was originally supposed to release before the 3DS version, was delayed to December, and is now a generic 2018 date. The 3DS version suffered from on delays as well
Fantasy Life Online: delayed again
IE Ares: Was originally a Fall 2017 title that got delayed along with the anime
Megaton Musashi: Last we heard it was slated to release Summer 2017
Keep in mind that 2017 was supposed to be the year where Level 5 expanded and created new franchises other than YW.
Yeah, but the point is that they will get more money from SF V, even when they missed the original target of 2m. And they can still fix Marvel. Thanks to the model, they can get a lot of sales over the time, unlike USF2.
So, to say that USF 2 was successful while the others failed is very disingenuous.
Again, The games are still performing
A better version of the updated Media Create totals for several Switch third party games, now with comparisons and a better formatting (most recent LTDs updates for 2017 games, based on CY Top 1000s for older games, budget re-releases excluded)
Again: the updated third party Switch games totals are up to December 3rd, 2017.
[NSW] Monster Hunter Double Cross: Nintendo Switch Ver. # <ACT> (Capcom) {2017.08.25} (¥5.800) - 84,277 / 173,823
[NSW] Super Bomberman R <ACT> (Konami) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 36,623 / 116,911
[NSW] Dragon Quest Heroes I & II for Nintendo Switch <Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below \ Dragon Quest Heroes II> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} (¥8.800) - 25,606 / 72,514
[NSW] Fire Emblem Warriors # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2017.09.28} (¥7.800) - 41,491 / 62,105
[NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2017.03.03} (¥4.990) - 12,854 / 61,748
[NSW] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.09.07} (¥6.800) - 24,045 / 61,475
[NSW] Seiken Densetsu Collection <Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Adventure \ Seiken Densetsu 2: Secret of Mana \ Seiken Densetsu 3> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.06.01} (¥4.800) - 29,564 / 49,129
[NSW] Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers <FTG> (Capcom) {2017.05.26} (¥4.990) - 16,404 / 35,956
[NSW] FIFA 18 <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2017.09.29} (¥5.800) - 12,616 / 32,896
[NSW] Minna de Wai Wai! Spelunker <ACT> (Square Enix) {2017.04.20} (¥4.980) - 7,447 / 23,661
[NSW] Dragon Quest X: All in One Package <Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online \ Dragon Quest X: Nemureru Yuusha to Michibiki no Meiyuu Online \ Dragon Quest X: Inishie no Ryuu no Denshou Online> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.09.21} (¥4.800) - 9,482 / 23,484
[NSW] Dragon Quest X: 5000-nen no Harukanaru Kokyou e Online <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.11.16} (¥3.800) - 18,444 / 21,793
[NSW] Disgaea 5 Complete <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 3,477 / 19,978
[NSW] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) {2017.07.20} (¥7.800) - 10,247 / 18,891
[NSW] I am Setsuna <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} (¥4.800) - 4,753 / 17,933
[NSW] LEGO City Undercover <ADV> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.06.29} (¥5.700) - 5,351 / 17,025
[NSW] One Piece: Unlimited World Red - Deluxe Edition <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.08.24} (¥4.800) - 4,652 / 12,223
[NSW] Cars 3: Driven to Win <RCE> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.07.20} (¥5.700) - 3,220 / 11,229
[NSW] Lost Sphear <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.10.12} (¥5.800) - 5,770 / 11,097
Again: the updated third party Switch games totals are up to December 3rd, 2017.
[NSW] Monster Hunter Double Cross: Nintendo Switch Ver. # <ACT> (Capcom) {2017.08.25} (¥5.800) - 84,277 / 173,823
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[WIU] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.12.08} (¥4.571) - 106.388 / 215.285
[3DS] Monster Hunter Double Cross <ACT> (Capcom) {2017.03.18} (¥5.800) - 848.467 / 1.546.392[NSW] Super Bomberman R <ACT> (Konami) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 36,623 / 116,911
[NSW] Dragon Quest Heroes I & II for Nintendo Switch <Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below \ Dragon Quest Heroes II> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} (¥8.800) - 25,606 / 72,514
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[PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥6.800) - 325.446 / 476.400
[PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥7.800) - 269.303 / 350.984
[PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes II <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥7.800) - 184.820 / 274.006
[PSV] Dragon Quest Heroes II <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥6.800) - 120.664 / 231.867
[PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes II <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥6.800) - 68.376 / 124.206[NSW] Fire Emblem Warriors # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2017.09.28} (¥7.800) - 41,491 / 62,105
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[WIU] Hyrule Warriors # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.14} (¥7.389) - 69.090 / 139.073
[3DS] Hyrule Warriors Legends # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2016.01.21} (¥5.800) - 54.479 / 110.252[NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2017.03.03} (¥4.990) - 12,854 / 61,748
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[3DS] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2014.02.06} (¥4.980) - 44.627 / 123.302
[PS3] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2014.02.06} (¥4.980) - 10.306 / 31.221
[PSV] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2014.02.06} (¥4.980) - 8.973 / 27.109
[WIU] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2014.02.06} (¥4.980) - 4.452 / 22.932
[PS4] Puyo Puyo Tetris <PZL> (Sega) {2014.12.04} (¥5.480) - 1.044 / 8.718[NSW] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.09.07} (¥6.800) - 24,045 / 61,475
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[PS4] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.02} (¥7.600) - 66.035 / 108.227[NSW] Seiken Densetsu Collection <Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Adventure \ Seiken Densetsu 2: Secret of Mana \ Seiken Densetsu 3> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.06.01} (¥4.800) - 29,564 / 49,129
[NSW] Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers <FTG> (Capcom) {2017.05.26} (¥4.990) - 16,404 / 35,956
[NSW] FIFA 18 <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2017.09.29} (¥5.800) - 12,616 / 32,896
[NSW] Minna de Wai Wai! Spelunker <ACT> (Square Enix) {2017.04.20} (¥4.980) - 7,447 / 23,661
[NSW] Dragon Quest X: All in One Package <Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online \ Dragon Quest X: Nemureru Yuusha to Michibiki no Meiyuu Online \ Dragon Quest X: Inishie no Ryuu no Denshou Online> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.09.21} (¥4.800) - 9,482 / 23,484
[NSW] Dragon Quest X: 5000-nen no Harukanaru Kokyou e Online <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.11.16} (¥3.800) - 18,444 / 21,793
[NSW] Disgaea 5 Complete <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 3,477 / 19,978
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[PS4] Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance # <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2015.03.26} (¥7.200) - 22.725 / 44.839[NSW] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) {2017.07.20} (¥7.800) - 10,247 / 18,891
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[PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) {2016.11.10} (¥6.980) - 73.019 / 95.622
[PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) {2016.11.10} (¥7.980) - 67.356 / 86.953
[PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star - Velber Box {PlayStation 4 \ PlayStation Vita} <ACT> (Marvelous) {2016.11.10} (¥19.990) - 18.439 / 19.228[NSW] I am Setsuna <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} (¥4.800) - 4,753 / 17,933
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[PS4] I am Setsuna <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.02.18} (¥4.800) - 33.629 / 51.188
[PSV] I am Setsuna <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.02.18} (¥4.800) - 27.994 / 44.901[NSW] LEGO City Undercover <ADV> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.06.29} (¥5.700) - 5,351 / 17,025
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[WIU] LEGO City Undercover <ADV> (Nintendo) {2013.07.25} (¥5.700) - 18.199 / 128.654[NSW] One Piece: Unlimited World Red - Deluxe Edition <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.08.24} (¥4.800) - 4,652 / 12,223
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[3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World Red # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.980) - 83.605 / 268.235
[PS3] One Piece: Unlimited World Red <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.06.12} (¥7.171) - 18.026 / 37.249
[PSV] One Piece: Unlimited World Red <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.06.12} (¥5.690) - 10.348 / 27.941
[WIU] One Piece: Unlimited World Red <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.06.12} (¥6.640) - 4.209 / 16.290[NSW] Cars 3: Driven to Win <RCE> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2017.07.20} (¥5.700) - 3,220 / 11,229
[NSW] Lost Sphear <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.10.12} (¥5.800) - 5,770 / 11,097
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The games are selling copies, but not at the level Capcom wants. Marvel is pretty done at this point unless they release a new game that fixes all of the problems people have with it. Capcom themselves said that USF2 was successful.
I'm from Hawaii and the majority of our tourists are Japanese. I've been seeing some of them buy Switches here at our GameStops and Walmarts. They always ask if it can play Japanese games. I've come across 7 people in the past months.
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Revenue isn't important. Profit us. Doubtful that SFV is a resounding success, considering it could be had for $10 or less a couple months after it launched.
It predicted correctly MHW and MHXX when no one ever thought about that.
MH team: "MHW is really MH5, it's called World to not scare away new customers"---to me, it seems MHW might have been called MH5 during development as it often happens. Also, "core gameplay points" could have been watered down. A rumor guesses correctly Capcom plans for MH in 2017 and 2018 and of course it's not true because of reasons.
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