Are you really doing "it's not about the money, it's about the art"? I'm not saying they wanted mass appeal, but clearly sales aren't that good. Their publishers not being happy with sales means it will be harder to make more games.
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Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2019 (Dec 16 - Dec 22)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Game had a sizable initial shipment and is starting to sell out at various online (Amazon) and local locations (several Fnac stores in Paris).
Since we're not getting a new chart next Wednesday, what's gonna happen? Are we getting it on Thursday or are they doing a two-week chart the following week?
It can't do well in France, it's not a realistic 3D open world game with gritty scenery and plot :p
I'm sure they can throw on giant tits on their next game and will be able to find a publisher. But yeah, it's currently #30 on Amazon, so it certainly ain't done selling yet.
Read Chris's post on the previous page he gives a full calendar breakdown
Dragon Crown's art is like softcore at times, especially the art gallery but it was a fun game. Better than Muramasa imo. The actual art itself was really good, just like, why they obsess with super sexual girls depictions I will never understand. Just like, far less of that would be great.
13 Sentinels never looked like an appealing product. If its the game they wanted to make fine but it still made little sense financially and even as someone who actually bought Muramasa and Dragon's Crown, the game looked like it targeted an entirely different audience.
As a side note, I'd fuck with a Muramasa rebirth port on Switch and PS4. Game was great.
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Don't get how Level 5 can continue wasting their time on this Yokai Watch shit or this mech robot non sense and not be working on Fantasy Life 2.
at least making a dedicated mobile game means they can get it out on time
I'm not sure what were the expectations for 13 Sentinels, their latest games were the Odin Sphere remake which ended up <150k across 3 platforms and Dragon's Crown <300k across PS3/PSV
From the start it was obvious 13 Sentinels had a smaller potential for two main reasons
1) As stated in the article it's a less "straightforward" game to sell
2) They released it only on one platform, with PSV SKU being (rightly so) cancelled later on
Every sign made it clear it had a lower ceiling, the demo release being the especially obvious one, and the good thing is that it's certainly not an outright bomb and that their publisher (Atlus) clearly anticipated it and the game had the right shipment to avoid both shortage (undershipping) and price slashed (overshipping)
The problem is however clear that considering the time/money invested during development they certainly hoped for more than 50k retail in the end, a level of sales they hadn't seen for more than a decade and GrimGrimoire at the PS2 end of life.
The other problem is that 1) and 2) above are not problems inherent to Japan, it will be the same on western markets when AtlusUSA West will localize the title so, unlike the Sakura Taisen IP whose immediate future in rather clear as we discussed in the last thread, 13 Sentinels seems poised to stay a one off in Vanillaware developed titles, it was a venture worth trying but it's very unlikely that Atlus, or any other publisher, will greenlight any kind of similar project in form and scope in the near future.
From the start it was obvious 13 Sentinels had a smaller potential for two main reasons
1) As stated in the article it's a less "straightforward" game to sell
2) They released it only on one platform, with PSV SKU being (rightly so) cancelled later on
Every sign made it clear it had a lower ceiling, the demo release being the especially obvious one, and the good thing is that it's certainly not an outright bomb and that their publisher (Atlus) clearly anticipated it and the game had the right shipment to avoid both shortage (undershipping) and price slashed (overshipping)
The problem is however clear that considering the time/money invested during development they certainly hoped for more than 50k retail in the end, a level of sales they hadn't seen for more than a decade and GrimGrimoire at the PS2 end of life.
The other problem is that 1) and 2) above are not problems inherent to Japan, it will be the same on western markets when Atlus
Good analysis but you're being too kind by not mentioning how long it took to make on top of it all.
PREDICTION LEAGUE JANUARY 2020
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Dec 30 to Jan 26):
[PS4] Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (11 days) - 99.000
[PS4] Yakuza: Like a Dragon (11 days) - 199.000
[NSW] Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (10 days) - 19.000
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Dec 30 to Jan 26):
[PS4] Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (11 days) - 99.000
[PS4] Yakuza: Like a Dragon (11 days) - 199.000
[NSW] Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (10 days) - 19.000
PREDICTION LEAGUE JANUARY 2020
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Dec 30 to Jan 26):
[PS4] Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (11 days) - 100,000
[PS4] Yakuza: Like a Dragon (11 days) - 210,000
[NSW] Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (10 days) - 10,000
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Dec 30 to Jan 26):
[PS4] Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (11 days) - 100,000
[PS4] Yakuza: Like a Dragon (11 days) - 210,000
[NSW] Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (10 days) - 10,000
I did mention the time/money invested into development, however how much the budget really was is anyone's guess and no, the game certainly didn't take 6 years of full staffing by Vanillaware as I might have read there before though, this is severely downplaying how big was the Odin Sphere remake for them.
What certain is that it's at least comparable to their others latests titles (Dragon's Crown, Odin Sphere Leifthrasir) and most likely bigger
Judging by the amount of likes, the views are probably from ads.
I hope the screenshot says something completely different for the lulzLol I was going through a thread on a japanese message board and looks like AniHawk is a star over there.
"The NISA leaker from the overseas forum said Ys 8 Switch sales were solid"
So judging by the end of year interviews Square Enix, Team Ninja, Kadokawa and NIS all have PS5 games on the way.
So in terms of timescales this is approximate to around March/April 2016 re the Switch which was still having the 'Should X company make games for it?' quote-on-quote debates throughout its first full year on the market. And beyond really.
Good to see that things are different here though. Makes you wonder...
Well in the 2016 equivalent NIS did mention Switch!
Of course that was less than 3 months before the system launched.
Kadokawa may do an early ps3 game from a technical pov now
Can't wait!
Heh colour me surprised.
Though yeah the difference in release dates makes this comparison difficult but it will nevertheless be oh-so predictable how this will all play out.
PREDICTION LEAGUE JANUARY 2020
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Dec 30 to Jan 26):
[PS4] Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (11 days) - 110.000
[PS4] Yakuza: Like a Dragon (11 days) - 170.000
[NSW] Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (10 days) - 18.000
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Dec 30 to Jan 26):
[PS4] Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (11 days) - 110.000
[PS4] Yakuza: Like a Dragon (11 days) - 170.000
[NSW] Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (10 days) - 18.000
From Square, once again the first big not cross gen title from them should be Final Fantasy (probably XVI). Luminous Production new IP is still in early stage.
Funnily enough, at that point in time, Square, Team Ninja and NIS all had games in developpement for Switch too.
I really want this title to succeed but I have little faith in it. I hope I will be proven wrong though but I think the interest will fade a few weeks after release. It's too similar to the older games. If it does gain traction we will see a lot more titles from the Wii/DS days return.
Outside Capcom, Square Enix, and FromSoftware, it's not like the Japanese third-parties are important anymore. Looking at what they've created in the past five years, the industry - outside Nintendo and the names above - is creatively bankrupt and completely irrelevant to the bigger picture on the console market. Koei Tecmo has some cool, bigger projects, but those are mostly for external publishers. I guess there's Atlus, which will be super slow as always, but the rest can be written off; Sony won't miss them. It's a shame, but it's reality. Maybe Cygames can create something cool with their console divisions, but for now, I'm quite skeptical about the prospects of most of the Japanese third-party publishers.
Yeah, Atlus is super slow, but now they want to do new stuff in addition to Persona, EO, and SMT. We'll see how long that takes them.
Definitely a Nintendo fanboy there.
I used to have a google sheet listing games, hours played and money spent on gaming, when three years ago I could count the number of games I finished on one hand I stopped updating the sheet
I'm sure their fantasy project will resurface in the next century or so
There's that and back in October it was reported that they are working on new IP with Sega.
Do somebody know the record of the highest number of consecutive #1 spots for a single game ? (Since the PS1/N64 era)
Pokemon Sword/Shield is currently at 6 with a shot at reaching 9 (from week 46 until week 2). It'll mostly depend on RingFit stock situation imo.
Pokemon Sword/Shield is currently at 6 with a shot at reaching 9 (from week 46 until week 2). It'll mostly depend on RingFit stock situation imo.
Famitsu Digital Estimates (Oct 28 - Nov 24)
01. [SWI] Pokémon Sword / Shield - 629.636 / 629.636 (Pokémon Co.) {11/15/2019}
02. [PS4] Death Stranding - 109.375 / 109.375 (SIE) {11/08/2019}
03. [SWI] Luigi's Mansion 3 - 72.600 / 72.600 (Nintendo) {10/31/2019}
04. [PS4] Fortnite Dark Fire Bundle - 63.497 / 63.497 (Warner Entertainment Japan) {11/07/2019}
05. [PS4] Persona 5: Royal - 60.473 / 60.473 (Atlus) {10/31/2019}
06. [SWI] Romancing SaGa 3 - 53.288 / 53.288 (Square Enix) {11/11/2019}
07. [PS4] Romancing SaGa 3 - 43.769 / 43.769 (Square Enix) {11/11/2019}
08. [PS4] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare - 27.456 / 109.205 (SIE) {10/25/2019}
09. [PS4] The Last of Us Remastered (PlayStation Hits) - 27.417 / 174.043 (SIE) {07/26/2018}
10. [SWI] Groove Coaster: Wai Wai Party!!!! - 24.319 / 24.319 (Taito) {11/07/2019}
11. [PS4] Monster Hunter: World - Iceborne - 23.090 / 742.043 (Capcom) {09/06/2019}
12. [PSV] Romancing SaGa 3 - 16.209 / 16.209 (Square Enix) {11/11/2019}
13. [PS4] Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order - 16.136 / 16.136 (Electronic Arts) {11/15/2019}
14. [SWI] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 11.419 / 556.284 (Nintendo) {12/07/2018}
15. [PS4] Need for Speed: Heat - 10.064 / 10.064 (Electronic Arts) {11/08/2019}
16. [SWI] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 9.579 / 276.252 (Nintendo) {04/28/2017}
17. [SWI] Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition - 9.016 / 500.288 (Microsoft) {05/12/2017}
18. [SWI] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 6.679 / 161.111 (Nintendo) {03/03/2017}
19. [SWI] Story of Seasons: Friends of Mineral Town - 4.860 / 24.316 (Marvelous) {10/17/2019}
20. [SWI] Fishing Spirits: Nintendo Switch Version - 4.860 / 16.267 (Bandai Namco) {07/25/2019}
21. [SWI] Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition - 4.691 / 92.851 (Square Enix) {09/27/2019}
22. [SWI] The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - 4.269 / 51.006 (Nintendo) {09/20/2019}
23. [PS4] Monster Hunter: World - Iceborne Master Edition - 4.106 / 387.443 (Capcom) {09/06/2019}
24. [SWI] Super Mario Maker 2 - 3.978 / 118.612 (Nintendo) {06/28/2019}
25. [SWI] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 - 3.797 / 3.797 (SEGA) {11/01/2019}
26. [SWI] Splatoon 2 - 3.537 / 307.326 (Nintendo) {07/21/2017}
27. [PS4] Shenmue III - 3.327 / 3.327 (Deep Silver) {11/19/2019}
28. [SWI] Super Mario Party - 2.632 / 129.619 (Nintendo) {10/05/2018}
29. [SWI] Dysney Tsum Tsum Festival - 872 / 2.799 (Bandai Namco) {10/10/2019}
01. [SWI] Pokémon Sword / Shield - 629.636 / 629.636 (Pokémon Co.) {11/15/2019}
02. [PS4] Death Stranding - 109.375 / 109.375 (SIE) {11/08/2019}
03. [SWI] Luigi's Mansion 3 - 72.600 / 72.600 (Nintendo) {10/31/2019}
04. [PS4] Fortnite Dark Fire Bundle - 63.497 / 63.497 (Warner Entertainment Japan) {11/07/2019}
05. [PS4] Persona 5: Royal - 60.473 / 60.473 (Atlus) {10/31/2019}
06. [SWI] Romancing SaGa 3 - 53.288 / 53.288 (Square Enix) {11/11/2019}
07. [PS4] Romancing SaGa 3 - 43.769 / 43.769 (Square Enix) {11/11/2019}
08. [PS4] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare - 27.456 / 109.205 (SIE) {10/25/2019}
09. [PS4] The Last of Us Remastered (PlayStation Hits) - 27.417 / 174.043 (SIE) {07/26/2018}
10. [SWI] Groove Coaster: Wai Wai Party!!!! - 24.319 / 24.319 (Taito) {11/07/2019}
11. [PS4] Monster Hunter: World - Iceborne - 23.090 / 742.043 (Capcom) {09/06/2019}
12. [PSV] Romancing SaGa 3 - 16.209 / 16.209 (Square Enix) {11/11/2019}
13. [PS4] Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order - 16.136 / 16.136 (Electronic Arts) {11/15/2019}
14. [SWI] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 11.419 / 556.284 (Nintendo) {12/07/2018}
15. [PS4] Need for Speed: Heat - 10.064 / 10.064 (Electronic Arts) {11/08/2019}
16. [SWI] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 9.579 / 276.252 (Nintendo) {04/28/2017}
17. [SWI] Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition - 9.016 / 500.288 (Microsoft) {05/12/2017}
18. [SWI] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 6.679 / 161.111 (Nintendo) {03/03/2017}
19. [SWI] Story of Seasons: Friends of Mineral Town - 4.860 / 24.316 (Marvelous) {10/17/2019}
20. [SWI] Fishing Spirits: Nintendo Switch Version - 4.860 / 16.267 (Bandai Namco) {07/25/2019}
21. [SWI] Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition - 4.691 / 92.851 (Square Enix) {09/27/2019}
22. [SWI] The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - 4.269 / 51.006 (Nintendo) {09/20/2019}
23. [PS4] Monster Hunter: World - Iceborne Master Edition - 4.106 / 387.443 (Capcom) {09/06/2019}
24. [SWI] Super Mario Maker 2 - 3.978 / 118.612 (Nintendo) {06/28/2019}
25. [SWI] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 - 3.797 / 3.797 (SEGA) {11/01/2019}
26. [SWI] Splatoon 2 - 3.537 / 307.326 (Nintendo) {07/21/2017}
27. [PS4] Shenmue III - 3.327 / 3.327 (Deep Silver) {11/19/2019}
28. [SWI] Super Mario Party - 2.632 / 129.619 (Nintendo) {10/05/2018}
29. [SWI] Dysney Tsum Tsum Festival - 872 / 2.799 (Bandai Namco) {10/10/2019}
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This gen was pretty good for Dragon Ball games and Tekken is still putting up good numbers. With budgets ballooning who can blame smaller studios for being scared of trying new things? How many Hollywood movies these days are either sequels or superhero films?
I would like to see them take more risks but also understand why they can't or won't.