Konami didn't need to blackball their former employees and put them under ridiculous NDAs.
They're an awful gambling company and I'm very glad they're about to produce the biggest bomb of 2018.
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Konami didn't need to blackball their former employees and put them under ridiculous NDAs.
They're an awful gambling company and I'm very glad they're about to produce the biggest bomb of 2018.
And so are Koei Tecmo board members for divetsion's sake.
Is this anger that they stopped making AAA games, or do you actually have a problem with their business practices and ventures in Japan?
I do have a problem with Konami's practices and ventures.
... I clearly don't want them to make AAA games anymore based on my posts so I'm confused about why you would even have that interpretation.
This company is just terrible.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...cused-of-blacklisting-former-employees-report
Most of their money don't come from gambling but from their Digital Division with mobile and video games.
And I doubt that Survive will be the biggest bomb of 2018 and even if it bombs, it will affect Konami in that way. It doesn't even seem like a title trying anything.
And so are a bunch of other companies in Japan, including some loved here.
ComG! Week Sales, 2018 (Feb 12 - Feb 18)
01/02 [PS4] Monster Hunter: World (normal edition) - 84 pt (-135 pt)
02/ N [PS4] Seiken Densetsu 2 Secret of Mana - 67 pt
03/ N [PSV] Seiken Densetsu 2 Secret of Mana - 34 pt
04/05 [NSW] Splatoon 2 - 24 pt (-12 pt)
05/01 [PS4] Shin Sangoku Musou 8 (normal edition) - 23 pt (-204 pt)
06/12 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 21 pt (+7 pt)
07/03 [PS4] Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet (normal edition) - 19 pt (-112 pt)
08/ N [NSW] Bayonetta Climax edition - 15 pt
09/ N [PS4] A Certain Magical Virtual-On (normal version) - 14 pt
10/08 [NSW] Mario + Rabbits Kingdom Battle - 12 pt (-7 pt)
11/ N [PSV] A Certain Magical Virtual-On (normal version) - 11 pt
12/11 [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey - 11 pt (-3 pt)
13/14 [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 11 pt (-2 pt)
14/15 [3DS] Mario Party 100 Mini Game Collection - 10 pt (+1 pt)
15/04 [PS4] Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet (limited edition) - 9 pt (-62 pt)
16/ N [NSW] Bayonetta 2 - 8 pt
17/ R [NSW] ARMS - 8 pt
18/07 [PS4] Dragon Ball FighterZ - 7 pt (-13 pt)
19/10 [NSW] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 7 pt (-7 pt)
20/ N [PSV] A Certain Magical Virtual-On (limited edition) - 6 pt
NSW: 9
PS4: 8
PSV: 3
ComG! Week Sales, 2018 (Feb 05 - Feb 11)
https://www.resetera.com/posts/4428570/
Second-hand Week Sales, 2018 (Feb 12 - Feb 18)
01/02 [PS4] Monster Hunter: World (normal edition) - 84 pt (-135 pt)
02/ N [PS4] Seiken Densetsu 2 Secret of Mana - 67 pt
03/ N [PSV] Seiken Densetsu 2 Secret of Mana - 34 pt
04/05 [NSW] Splatoon 2 - 24 pt (-12 pt)
05/01 [PS4] Shin Sangoku Musou 8 (normal edition) - 23 pt (-204 pt)
06/12 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 21 pt (+7 pt)
07/03 [PS4] Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet (normal edition) - 19 pt (-112 pt)
08/ N [NSW] Bayonetta Climax edition - 15 pt
09/ N [PS4] A Certain Magical Virtual-On (normal version) - 14 pt
10/08 [NSW] Mario + Rabbits Kingdom Battle - 12 pt (-7 pt)
11/ N [PSV] A Certain Magical Virtual-On (normal version) - 11 pt
12/11 [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey - 11 pt (-3 pt)
13/14 [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 11 pt (-2 pt)
14/15 [3DS] Mario Party 100 Mini Game Collection - 10 pt (+1 pt)
15/04 [PS4] Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet (limited edition) - 9 pt (-62 pt)
16/ N [NSW] Bayonetta 2 - 8 pt
17/ R [NSW] ARMS - 8 pt
18/07 [PS4] Dragon Ball FighterZ - 7 pt (-13 pt)
19/10 [NSW] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 7 pt (-7 pt)
20/ N [PSV] A Certain Magical Virtual-On (limited edition) - 6 pt
NSW: 9
PS4: 8
PSV: 3
ComG! Week Sales, 2018 (Feb 05 - Feb 11)
https://www.resetera.com/posts/4428570/
Second-hand Week Sales, 2018 (Feb 12 - Feb 18)
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Yeah, Bayonetta 2 doesn't seem to be doing as well as I had hoped in Japan. Although part of that might be the way they've gone about releasing it.
Hopefully it's still able to outsell the Wii U version at some point.
Hopefully it's still able to outsell the Wii U version at some point.
Peach Beach Splash is a spin-off, though. It's basically a shooter. Story-wise is not relevant.
The fact that it's a remake is important to take into account but I was thinking that having SK found a bigger success on Sony platforms the original game (which was released now 3DS) might have been considered as a new game by many—those that have started buying SK on Sony platforms. I didn't expect a huge differential from YSO predictions but I thought it could have done at least as well as the spinoff.
For Bayonetta 2 we are probably looking at a Skyrim like debut with 5-10K additional sales due to the Climax Edition.
I'm surprised majority of Switch titles went down this week except MK8D, was expecting them to rise due to greater hardware availability but it doesn't seem that has materialized at COMG.
I'm surprised majority of Switch titles went down this week except MK8D, was expecting them to rise due to greater hardware availability but it doesn't seem that has materialized at COMG.
The fact that the Climax Edition got the same sales as preorders shows that there were few copies around.
If comg has had a bad week for hardware and everywhere else has had a better week it's possible bayonetta may have performed at least a little better than these numbers suggest, we will have to see though
I felt it was a valid interpretation since many people overcorrect their feelings about something when they are a fan and it goes in a different undesired direction.
As to their practice of backlisting many software companies, as well as companies in other industries do it here. It's a shitty practice, but if you have a position where you basically get to keep a job at the company no matter what until retirement, and somehow mess that up and turn it into a bad situation, what else are they supposed to say to another company inquiring about your past other than you were a bad employee? It's different than many other countries, but it's the reality of working for super big companies in Japan (Not talking about part time jobs, no-one gets blacklisted for breaking ties there)
I imagine there would be absolutely no mention or care of it if it weren't for Kojima being the one who supposedly got blacklisted.
Sorry, I had just assumed you were a Kojima/MGS fan prior to the allegations of blacklisting.
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They have nice offices at Roppongi Hills though, not too bad being a janitor there...
In all seriousness though you should look at the company records, they make double the money in health and fitness than the whole gaming and system sector where their slot stuff is. They are not a gambling company. Besides in games they are basically a mobile company, the MGS bomb is like a super small blimp on their radar. That doesn't mean they don't do scummy stuff though, like pretty much any big company. Not to excuse it, Konami gets a lot of flak for the right reasons but people tend to judge other companies a lot less sharply (probably bc they basically killed their classic game development).
ComG! orders, first week
[WIIU] Bayonetta 2 (2014.09.20) - 30 pt (2 days)
[NSW] Bayonetta 2 (8 pt) + Climax edition (15 pt) - 23 pt (2 days)
M-C
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} (¥8.316) - 38.828 / NEW <67,29%>
FAM
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} (¥8.316) - 33.114 / NEW <40-60%>
DGK
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} - 28.825 / NEW <55%>
[WIIU] Bayonetta 2 (2014.09.20) - 30 pt (2 days)
[NSW] Bayonetta 2 (8 pt) + Climax edition (15 pt) - 23 pt (2 days)
M-C
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} (¥8.316) - 38.828 / NEW <67,29%>
FAM
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} (¥8.316) - 33.114 / NEW <40-60%>
DGK
03./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo) {2014.09.20} - 28.825 / NEW <55%>
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Man, I hope Bayonetta has some legs at least.
I know what people are going to do with this post.
Nintendo cut off her legs unfortunately by not printing enough copies. I won't be getting any of the bayonetta games unless I can get a package copy of the first one. But it is sold out everywhere.
Can't post the chart yet but yeah, Bayo in Japan bombed, no matter if is COMG or not, the general performance were supposed to be better. We'll see how things go in the west tho, i think UK performance will be disappint as well, but the rest of Europe and USA should have great news.
Still it's a brand new game in the franchise. It's gerne is also very popular in Japan through the last years. Story-wise the remake shouldn't be brand new either considering most of the fanbase knows what's up, even if they not played game before. Shinovi Versus happens 6 months after Burst and Estival is a sequel to Shinovi Versus although the franchise has become something like a multiverse. Without getting into many spoilers here, the chronological order is this
Skirting Shadows/Hanzo Burst -> Senran Kagura 2
Skirting Shadows/Burst -> Shinovi Versus -> Estival Versus
That's a valid point that should be taken into consideration. Game was never on a Sony platform before so decent sales should be expected. Personally i was expecting a 40k debut and it doesn't seem it launch far from that and i was sure it would have a bigger FW compared to the PS4 version of Estival Versus.
Anyway, no point talking much about a YSO prediction. In 3 days we will have actual numbers, so we can repeat this conversation with actual data this time.
New Senran is in line with Peach Splash. Thats fine considering its not a new entry.
Lmao at MGS.
RDR2, COD, Yakuza Project, OP World Seeker, DMC5 if rumours are true, Gran Blue Fantasy and DQB2.
Lmao at MGS.
RDR2, COD, Yakuza Project, OP World Seeker, DMC5 if rumours are true, Gran Blue Fantasy and DQB2.
Red Dead isn't a big thing in Japan. And the rest are still undated. So that doesn't change much from what Chris said.
It did 180k on PS3. There may be an increased awareness from GTA's spike in popularity.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/673/1673351/
Playism want to do more Switch games. Come on La-Mulana 1/2!
Playism want to do more Switch games. Come on La-Mulana 1/2!
About UK performance, we will see tomorrow.
If someone like nocturnal can ask Christopher Dring about Bayo 2 approximate sale number just to have a comparison with Xenoblade 2 14K FW in UK.
Perhaps not number but how it performs in comparison with Xenoblade 2.
Lets hope that Bayo 2 will be saved outside Japan. Amazon pre-orders gives hope.
Even on amazon Japan, it performed better this week-end than the days before.
You should wait for actual sales numbers before jumping the gun on basing a game's sales performance on a prediction:
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The cheaper way to get Bayo1&2 in Japan is to buy both games digitally. I am then expecting a higher digital ratio for the games.
Slow start indeed but it should outsell the WiiU versions thanks to digital sales and, hopefully, decent legs.
Slow start indeed but it should outsell the WiiU versions thanks to digital sales and, hopefully, decent legs.
I don't think Bayonetta bombed in Japan, I think Nintendo sold all the copies they wanted to, which was not many. That's why scalpers can charge 16000¥ for the climax edition and Amazon reviews saying how unlucky the reviewer was being unable to reserve a copy.
All company mostly force their employee sign NDA. What the hell are u talking here?
Sure but the whole drama of the ordeal makes me think there is more to it. "we want your budgets leaner so prioritize what's important," shouldn't cause the shit storm drama that the whole thing became.
Most companies have their employees under NDAs. Don't get what you're talking about.
I wouldn't say being in line with Peach Splash(which it probably won't be) or EV PS4 is a good thing.
it's not only about Kojima. I mean, what other employees have to do with that ^ ? Because:
also, Metal Gear Survive development time (more than 2,5 years with already created engine) showed that problem is still within Konami.
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Most Japanese companies cannot fire permanent employees without getting sued, short of that employee doing something criminal, this is a relic of the very militant union movement of the 50-60s and the competition for workers in the 80s, this is why tactics like this evolved to get rid of unwanted employees.
CyGames released their newest title, "Princess Connect! Re:Dive", which is currently soaring up the charts to #5 top grossing.
I skimmed a video of the first hour, which seemed to consist of about two minutes of RPG battle, and one hour of voiced cutscenes, so I'll say it's probably going for that Fate audience.
The Asagi game Nippon Ichi licensed out to another company (to be clear, the other company is the publisher, not Nippon Ichi) is having a reasonable start with decidedly good reviews. It's a bit early to make any calls there, as it basically just came out, but that could could bring in some reasonable licensing revenue for Nippon Ichi, especially relative to their scale.
ForwardWorks' (Sony's) newest game is getting a gazillion downloads, exceptionally good reviews, and making very modest amounts of money, as is ForwardWorks' brand identity.
I skimmed a video of the first hour, which seemed to consist of about two minutes of RPG battle, and one hour of voiced cutscenes, so I'll say it's probably going for that Fate audience.
The Asagi game Nippon Ichi licensed out to another company (to be clear, the other company is the publisher, not Nippon Ichi) is having a reasonable start with decidedly good reviews. It's a bit early to make any calls there, as it basically just came out, but that could could bring in some reasonable licensing revenue for Nippon Ichi, especially relative to their scale.
ForwardWorks' (Sony's) newest game is getting a gazillion downloads, exceptionally good reviews, and making very modest amounts of money, as is ForwardWorks' brand identity.
not for mod. And MGSurvive is basically a mod.
and it was announced 2.5 years ago. Could be even 3 years, who knows.
Nintendo didn't even give it a chance. The edition that the Bayonetta fans wanted with 2 physical carts was sold out months ago. I personally know 3 people who would have bought it if the could.
I lucked out and got one off Amazon [been playing Bayo1 off a CART, all morning] but the day after I reserved it it was sold out. And as far as I can tell it never went back in stock for any long period of time.
So the mail options available to Japanese customers were:
1. Bayo 2 with no digital code and mostly full game price.
2. Buying both digitally which cost almost as much as the Climax Edition
3. Paying a scalper the crazy price to get the sold out set.
or
4. Just freaking skipping it altogether.
My friends chose 4. And I think that will be the popular option.
Bayonetta is not a mainstream series in Japan. There is a devoted but very limited fan base. And they are likely collectors. To release so few copies of the most desirable version is crazy.
Or maybe I'm just mad. The Climax Edition is so beautiful, I wish more people could get their hands on it.
I'm just curious since making modest amounts of money from a game that has very good reception and high download counts seems to mean that they're being very pro-consumer which is good for players but is it sustainable in the long run?
Don't use strawmans especially when it doesn't help anything
How is getting gazillion downloads and good reviews a bad thing?
What's the point of releasing a game if you don't trust in its sales potential? Not only that but they are also paying for a sequel lmfao.
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