See, it didn't underperform. They simply lumped it with other titles that underperformed. I'd like you to note that Mario & Sonic was amongst those underperformers. Once again the Switch is holding back publishers, and the industry, from greatness.
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Yeah it's possible that the underperformance of Sakura Wars (should have been on Switch) and Mario and Sonic 2020 (should have been a better game) offset the solid performance of P5R. Didn't we all agree that P5R did well for what it is from the public data?
Shin Sakura Wars didn't underperform if you compare it to the game that killed the franchise.
The three games that Sega highlighted were Persona 5 Royal, Mario & Sonic and Sakura Wars. Yakuza 7 was not released in FY Q3
I see that he made a mistake earlier and posted about Sega talking about Yakuza 7 instead of Persona 5. Hadn't read that post.
Sega has been firing all of it's big guns in Japan and, weirdly, they are not release the Platinum bundle there.
If they are singing the same tune about underperforming software there might be some changes.
They were still happy to crow about P5's 3.2 million though and I'm sure they are happy with all the attention Sonic is getting.
If they are singing the same tune about underperforming software there might be some changes.
They were still happy to crow about P5's 3.2 million though and I'm sure they are happy with all the attention Sonic is getting.
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Master System {1983/07/15} (¥15.000) - 1.000.000
Mega Drive {1988/10/29} (¥21.000) - 3.580.000
Mega CD {1991/12/12} (¥49.800) - 400.000
32X {1994/12/03} (¥16.800) - 50.000
Game Gear {1990/10/06} (¥19.800) - 1.780.000
Saturn {1994/11/22} (¥44.800) - 5.750.000
Dreamcast {1998/11/22} (¥29.800) - 2.490.000
Oh, that makes more sense then. Although yeah, that might indicate Sega had extra high expectations for P5R, it's actual sales seemed pretty okay. I'd say the same for Mario & Sonic 2020, these two games sold well but perhaps just not as well as Sega wanted.
Since the Sega numbers are being brought once again, here is exactly what they said in their presentation (slide 18)
Sales being below expectation is explicitely refering to new titles while repeat sales are mentioned as being good
The biggest new titles are the 3 mentioned there, Persona 5 Royal, Mario & Sonic, New Sakura Wars
Sega didn't release many others titles besides these ones, I only found 13 Sentinels (which had a dissapointing start) and Yakuza 4 Remaster (a very low seller) Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz HD (probably low expectations but mega bombed regardless) and Football Manager 2020 that we can see in slide 19
From there we can infer that overall they had dissapointing sales in Q3 because there probably was not a single title exceeding expectations while we know many had dissapointing results (Shin Sakura Taisen, 13 Sentinels, Banana Blitz HD, Yakuza 4 Remaster)
The three others one, Persona 5 Royal, Mario & Sonic and Football Manager either didn't pick up the slack from the dissapointing sales above or were dissapointing as well.
But considering the total sales being mentionned at the bottom of slide 18, I find it hard to believe that Q3 titles played such a big part in the overall results, with an initial forecast for the FY at 10.69M sales for the new titles in packaged sales revised to 9.84M, japanese sales of 400k for Persona 5 Royal, 250k for SST, ~300k for M&S surely aren't the main culprit for the 850k missing sales worldwide for the full fiscal year.
Sales being below expectation is explicitely refering to new titles while repeat sales are mentioned as being good
The biggest new titles are the 3 mentioned there, Persona 5 Royal, Mario & Sonic, New Sakura Wars
Sega didn't release many others titles besides these ones, I only found 13 Sentinels (which had a dissapointing start) and Yakuza 4 Remaster (a very low seller) Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz HD (probably low expectations but mega bombed regardless) and Football Manager 2020 that we can see in slide 19
From there we can infer that overall they had dissapointing sales in Q3 because there probably was not a single title exceeding expectations while we know many had dissapointing results (Shin Sakura Taisen, 13 Sentinels, Banana Blitz HD, Yakuza 4 Remaster)
The three others one, Persona 5 Royal, Mario & Sonic and Football Manager either didn't pick up the slack from the dissapointing sales above or were dissapointing as well.
But considering the total sales being mentionned at the bottom of slide 18, I find it hard to believe that Q3 titles played such a big part in the overall results, with an initial forecast for the FY at 10.69M sales for the new titles in packaged sales revised to 9.84M, japanese sales of 400k for Persona 5 Royal, 250k for SST, ~300k for M&S surely aren't the main culprit for the 850k missing sales worldwide for the full fiscal year.
Oof, you're right, Atlus Japan probably isn't happy about Atlus USA PR people going rogue rather than just doing the usual "we have nothing to announce" or whatever.
There is a typo there, Famicom LTD is 19.35M (17.17M is Sufami LTD).Third generation home consoles
Famicom {1983/07/15} (¥14.800) - 17.170.000
Master System {1983/07/15} (¥15.000) - 1.000.000
Super Cassette Vision {1984/07/17} (¥14.800) - 300.000
The legend, 21 years of shipments
And of course the label "Master System" include all the Sega 8 bit line (SG1000, Mark III, Master System).
The SG-1000 came out in 1983, the SG-2000 in 1984, the Mark-III in 1985 and the Master System in 1986.Third generation home consoles
Famicom {1983/07/15} (¥14.800) - 19.350.000
Master System {1983/07/15} (¥15.000) - 1.000.000
Super Cassette Vision {1984/07/17} (¥14.800) - 300.000
The legend, 21 years of shipments
They're not the same hardware
If I said I didn't like most deserts, and then immediately after listed cake, pie, tarts, etc, it's pretty safe to assume I am especially talking about cake, pie, and tarts as deserts I don't like. How is this controversial?
I can believe Sega having higher expectations of catalogue sales remained fine.
They said only new releases underperformed, then immediately listed 3 new releases. It's not exactly a reaching inference there.
The point is that for example Super Monkey Ball HD could have heavily underperformed and that could be enough for their total packaged expectations to be missed. There's just nothing to take away from what they said in their financial report other than total unit sales of packaged games were below expectations.
If overall sales underperformed, than Persona 5 Royal was part of that equation. May as well say it did not perform well enough to raise the base line to such a level that it could prevent the general software output from underperforming. Therefore the game underperformed.
Lol at the idea that Super Monkey Ball HD would have had a target where underperforming could in any way impact their bottom line.
Total packaged software was under but only due to new releases. Catalog sales were expressly above targets.
Then immediately after saying only new releases underperformed, they listed 3 new releases. It's not a leap to guess those 3 underperformed and it makes more sense than scapegoating titles they didn't mention at all.
It had its briefing two weeks ago.
Report: https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/pdf/20q3earnings.pdf
Presentation: https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/pdf/20q3slides.pdf
The "outline of the briefing" they usually have is not available yet. Probably within a week from now.
Third generation home consoles
Famicom {1983/07/15} (¥14.800) - 19.350.000
Master System {1983/07/15} (¥15.000) - 1.000.000
Super Cassette Vision {1984/07/17} (¥14.800) - 300.000
The legend, 21 years of shipments
Indeed. IIRC the Famicom was shipped longer than the Super Famicom and the N64 as well.
In all seriousness I'm in the camp that they would've said if P5R and the rest of their major releases met expectations even if the other releases did not instead of sum lumping them together to make it look overall disappointing.
No real reason not to highlight that said major releases met their expectations in a fiscal release unless they actually didn't.
No real reason not to highlight that said major releases met their expectations in a fiscal release unless they actually didn't.
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Oh, and pre-orders for the AC bundle and the carrying case is also March 7th.
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Coral, not red.Red Nintendo Switch Lite out on March 20th in Japan. Pre-orders go live on March 7th.
ニュースリリース : 2020年2月18日 - 携帯専用「Nintendo Switch Lite」に新色「Nintendo Switch Lite コーラル」3月20日発売｜任天堂
任天堂株式会社のニュースリリースです。www.nintendo.co.jp
Oh, and pre-orders for the AC bundle and the carrying case is also March 7th.
「Nintendo Switch あつまれ どうぶつの森セット」予約開始日延期のお知らせ（お詫び）｜サポート情報｜Nintendo
「Nintendo Switch あつまれ どうぶつの森セット」予約開始日延期のお知らせ（お詫び）。www.nintendo.co.jp
Ha ha, you're right, but that looks red to me :P
Well, at least it's clear which audience they're targeting this time around.
It's a good color to have out around AC that's different from the others, though I think a cream color would 'fit' more.
Looks like they probably have a decent stock of Lite units in the back what with this Coral Lite Switch preorder launching on March 20th as well. I guess we don't need to worry too much about stock during ACNH launch. Lites should be plentiful, and OG has a special SKU and probably some regular stock that was saved up for AC launch.
Oh, missed an interesting tidbit in the notice:
Looks like production run of Coral and other colours for the Lite for January is meant to cover shipments to the end of March. So if production doesn't restart soon, April will be a bloodbath.
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And here I was thinking recently that maybe this year, Golden Week wouldn't be Golden Weak for once, what with AC and FF7R. It's all my fault isn't it.
Looks like production run of Coral and other colours for the Lite for January is meant to cover shipments to the end of March. So if production doesn't restart soon, April will be a bloodbath.
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And here I was thinking recently that maybe this year, Golden Week wouldn't be Golden Weak for once, what with AC and FF7R. It's all my fault isn't it.
The PR team were happy, the accountants weren't.
Probably because they spent a lot of money promoting it.
Domestic sales like that would make most publishers happy but Sega and Atlus are odd.
They are the last of the big publishers still doing delayed localizations. Capcom, Squeenix and Bamco put that all behind them. Companies like From Software that can't do that get help so they can.
They are learning the hard way you can't support the company that size with Japan alone.
We see the same thing with Sakura Wars. Individual PR announced the 150k milestone, but Nagoshi said he expected a bit more during Yakuza 7's milestone announcement.
The Coral Lite looks good. I wish the OG Switch got these colors too.
Btw, anyone saw the news about Dissidia NT being done for? It's funny how Ichiro Hazama said that they wanted to "make sure that the relationship with Sony Interactive Entertainment is honored." TFW you would rather kill the future of a series just to have it stay exclusive out of volition. I love Japanese devs.
Btw, anyone saw the news about Dissidia NT being done for? It's funny how Ichiro Hazama said that they wanted to "make sure that the relationship with Sony Interactive Entertainment is honored." TFW you would rather kill the future of a series just to have it stay exclusive out of volition. I love Japanese devs.
Also a shame that they won't develop a sequel that actually implements player feedback. I think the "Dissidia" name still holds value. Even if that sequel is Sony exclusive. NT is a missed opportunity on many fronts.
They'll most likely revisit Dissidia again, but it's just going to be a long wait like MvC4.
Do we know how Scramble is tracking? I know it's not launched yet, I mean more for preorders and the like.
They basically are the same hardware. The Mark III/Master System is to the SG1000, what the GBC was to the original GB.
A Japanese third party development studio being run by a blind Sony fanboy? Par for the course really :p
Let them crash and burn if that's their attitude. They'll get what they deserve.
Nintendo were really lucky that they opened up production in Vietnam when they did... Hopefully that should mitigate some of the impact that the coronavirus is having on Chinese production (though of course that's not gonna be enough on its own; I expect mass shortages from April onwards to be only partially mitigated).
Speaking of which... I wonder how much this is gonna end up impacting on PS5/Xbox Series X production as well...
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