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Overall a boring week, but Monster Hunter World sales and Nintendo Switch software legs are still very impressive

Seems like Secret Of Mana performed fine?
 

Hieroph

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Media Create Sales: Week 7, 2018 (Feb 12 - Feb 18)

02./00. [PS4] Seiken Densetsu 2: Secret of Mana # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2018.02.15} (¥4.800) - 36.042 / NEW
07./00. [PSV] Seiken Densetsu 2: Secret of Mana # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2018.02.15} (¥4.800) - 17.947 / NEW

Secret of Mana at 53.989 total. That's pretty good actually. Much closer to I am Setsuna than Lost Sphear.

13./00. [NSW] Bayonetta Non-Stop Climax Edition <Bayonetta \ Bayonetta 2> <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} (¥9.980) - 11.694 / NEW
14./00. [NSW] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} (¥5.980) - 9.532 / NEW

Ouch. But if we combine the SKUs, Bayonetta would be in the top 10.
 

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Switch may pull ahead of PS4 next week if its HW stay stable and PS4 continues to drop, but Hokuto no Ken (March 8th) should push the PS4 on top at least for that week, then Kirby will switch positions once again.
HW numbers will be interesting to see for the next few weeks.
 

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Laplasakos

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Seiken 2 did better than what i was expecting. Bayonetta did worse but maybe it will have legs. Big drop for Dynasty Warriors and SAO but MHW keeps selling well.
 

FantasyZone

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Surprised the Climax Edition outsold the regular one.

Hopefully they'll ship more
cause I want a copy
 

schuelma

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PS4 seems to be dropping in an expected way. Switch and PS4 should be close next week.

Bayo is bleh but it was kind of easy to predict since only way to get both physically was through the extremely limited climax edition.

Pretty boring.
 

sir_crocodile

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I assume the 11K climax editions doesn't include the nintendo store?

I think they should have printed more, that thing was hard to get. Glad I preordered when it was first announced.
 

Lelouch0612

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Famitsu numbers :

[WIU] Bayonetta 2 {20/09/2014} : 33.114 / 51.361

Low numbers overall but it might outsell it at the end thanks to digital (cheaper way to get Bayo1&2) and hopefully some legs.
 

Jawmuncher

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Personally I think Nintendo over-expected on Bayo. "We'll be able to give the title to more people!" Is all they seemed to think. Rather than "Should we be charging the same price as we did 2 years ago for this?". There wasn't even big enough new features to try and pass off for a full price once again.

While this is just Japan (and apparently the UK at least retail wise. Might've made it up digitally). I'm curious where it'll end up in the US. I'm expecting a similar trend for the game there as well. If they're doing W101, I pray they either lower the price or include a lot of new content. That game will fare even worse as just a straight port at full price.
 
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Personally I think Nintendo over-expected on Bayo. "We'll be able to give the title to more people!" Is all they seemed to think. Rather than "Should we be charging the same price as we did 2 years ago for this?". There wasn't even big enough new features to try and pass off for a full price once again.

While this is just Japan (and apparently the UK). I'm curious where it'll end up in the US. I'm expecting a similar trend for the game there as well. If they're doing W101, I pray they either lower the price or include a lot of new content. That game will fare even worse as just a straight port at full price.
Yeah I agree with this. The reason why Pokken and Mario Kart did so well was because they are good games with a substantial amount of new content. I'm worried for DK and Hyrule Warriors.
 

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Personally I think Nintendo over-expected on Bayo. "We'll be able to give the title to more people!" Is all they seemed to think. Rather than "Should we be charging the same price as we did 2 years ago for this?". There wasn't even big enough new features to try and pass off for a full price once again.

While this is just Japan (and apparently the UK). I'm curious where it'll end up in the US. I'm expecting a similar trend for the game there as well. If they're doing W101, I pray they either lower the price or include a lot of new content. That game will fare even worse as just a straight port at full price.

Bayonetta Switch most likely outsold Bayo Wii U in UK when you factor in digital, and i have to imagine that it will be a trend repeated in many western countries.

I agree that the price point was completely wrong though.
 

Charamiwa

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Switch hardware continues to drop despite being more and more available. Q1 is a bit rough. What was the 3DS baseline in February 2012?
 

Jawmuncher

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Bayonetta Switch most likely outsold Bayo Wii U in UK when you factor in digital, and i have to imagine that it will be a trend repeated in many western countries.

I agree that the price point was completely wrong though.

but B2 had a better Debut in UK than WiiU counter part

Whoops let me fix that. I was looking at the wrong thing when I said that.
Ok, I made the point that perhaps the digital sales covered it.
 
Famitsu numbers :

[WIU] Bayonetta 2 {20/09/2014} : 33.114 / 51.361

Low numbers overall but it might outsell it at the end thanks to digital (cheaper way to get Bayo1&2) and hopefully some legs.
Yeah, this is Bayo's 4th release (HD Twins, Wii U, PC, and now Switch) and would've been nice to see Bayo 2 do a bit better but I'm not really too down on these numbers despite them being a bit low. This is all build up for Bayo 3.

That said, they should've been priced a bit better.
Switch hardware continues to drop despite being more and more available. Q1 is a bit rough. What was the 3DS baseline in February 2012?
The calm before the storm...
 

hiska-kun

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Switch vs Wii (next week, 2nd Christmas for NDS and Wii starts)

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|    |    Nintendo Wii   |   Nintendo Switch |  Difference  | 

|    |    (2006/12/02)   |    (2017/03/03)   |              | 

|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 

|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   NSW - Wii  | 

|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|

|  49|   37.617|3.745.527|   49.165|3.635.424|      -110.103|

|  50|   34.546|3.780.073|   43.404|3.678.828|      -101.245|

|  51|   36.230|3.816.303|   39.303|3.718.131|       -98.172|

|  52|   54.362|3.870.665|         |         |              |

|  53|   74.764|3.945.429|         |         |              |

|  54|  115.057|4.060.486|         |         |              |

|  55|  170.558|4.231.044|         |         |              |

|  56|  232.907|4.463.951|         |         |              |

|  57|  152.209|4.616.160|         |         |              |

|  58|  207.797|4.823.957|         |         |              |

|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|


PS4 vs PS3

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|    |   PlayStation 3   |   PlayStation 4   |  Difference  | 

|    |    (2006/11/11)   |    (2014/02/22)   |              | 

|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 

|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   PS4 - PS3  | 

|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|

| 207|   20.128|5.642.891|  109.287|6.329.833|       686.942|

| 208|   28.255|5.671.146|   71.306|6.401.139|       729.993|

| 209|   23.524|5.694.670|   49.502|6.450.641|       755.971|

| 210|   21.114|5.715.784|         |         |              |

| 211|   29.058|5.744.842|         |         |              |

| 211|   68.840|5.813.682|         |         |              |

| 213|   41.760|5.855.442|         |         |              |

| 214|   41.882|5.897.324|         |         |              |

| 215|   49.515|5.946.839|         |         |              |

| 216|   64.228|6.011.067|         |         |              |

|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|



Monster Hunter Comparison

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Charamiwa

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Bayonetta Switch most likely outsold Bayo Wii U in UK when you factor in digital, and i have to imagine that it will be a trend repeated in many western countries.

I agree that the price point was completely wrong though.
I don't think they actually can release retail games like that at 40 dollars, the cartridges are too expensive. This situation is kind of awful.
 

Ryng™

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Famitsu numbers :

[WIU] Bayonetta 2 {20/09/2014} : 33.114 / 51.361

Low numbers overall but it might outsell it at the end thanks to digital (cheaper way to get Bayo1&2) and hopefully some legs.

You should use MC numbers since they are until December 2016. Bayonetta 2 had some legs in 2015 and 2016. I think Famitsu numbers are old.
 

cw_sasuke

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Personally I think Nintendo over-expected on Bayo. "We'll be able to give the title to more people!" Is all they seemed to think. Rather than "Should we be charging the same price as we did 2 years ago for this?". There wasn't even big enough new features to try and pass off for a full price once again.

While this is just Japan (and apparently the UK at least retail wise. Might've made it up digitally). I'm curious where it'll end up in the US. I'm expecting a similar trend for the game there as well. If they're doing W101, I pray they either lower the price or include a lot of new content. That game will fare even worse as just a straight port at full price.
Nah, it will perform much better in the US. The OG game on WiiU was already a bust - just porting it to Switch for the same price wont automatically make it sell like more popular titles.
 

Lelouch0612

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Reminder that in Japan you didn't get Bayo 1 with a physical copy of Bayo2. Thus, the cheaper way to get both games is via the eshop. Digital sales will be interesting.
 

Braaier

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Switch may pull ahead of PS4 next week if its HW stay stable and PS4 continues to drop, but Hokuto no Ken (March 8th) should push the PS4 on top at least for that week, then Kirby will switch positions once again.
HW numbers will be interesting to see for the next few weeks.
No idea what that game is, but why should we expect the PS4 to get a bump from it. No single software other than mhw and dq has moved Ps4 hardware significantly. Don't think this is a game to do it
 

Jawmuncher

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Nah, it will perform much better in the US. The OG game on WiiU was already a bust - just porting it to Switch for the same price wont automatically make it sell like more popular titles.

Still, my case is more that with the move to switch and the speed of console sales.
You'd think the game would be faring far better all-around regardless of region.
 

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SWITCH GAMES, Ranking Sales, Japan, 2018 (Feb 12 - Feb 18)

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Media-Create: 41 games (+2)

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01 - Splatoon 2 (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} - 2.042.844
02 - Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo) (2017.10.27) - 1.614.506
03 - Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) (2017.04.28) - 1.346.387
04 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) (2017.03.03) - 871.528
05 - 1-2-Switch (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} – 399.757
06 - ARMS (Nintendo) (2017.06.16) – 369.040
07 - Pokken Tournament DX (Pokemon Co.) (2017.09.22) - 222.781
08 - Monster Hunter Double Cross: Nintendo Switch Ver. (Capcom) (2017.08.25) - 214.492
09 - Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (Nintendo) (2017.12.01) - 181.254
10 - Super Bomberman R (Konami) (2017.03.03) – 145.029
11 - Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle (Nintendo) {2018.01.18} - 142.591
12 - Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch (Bandai Namco Games) (2017.09.07) – 114.728
13 - FIFA 18 (Electronic Arts) (2017.09.29) - 78.169
14 - Fire Emblem Warriors (Koei Tecmo) (2017.09.28) – 53.531
15 - Sumikko Gurashi: Sumikko Park e Youkoso (Nippon Columbia) (2017.12.07) - 47.989
16 - Snipperclips Plus (Nintendo) {2017.11.10} - 47.124
17 - Dragon Quest Heroes I & II for Nintendo Switch (Square Enix) (2017.03.03) – 41.419
18 - Seiken Densetsu Collection (Square Enix) (2017.06.01) – 37.728
19 - One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) {2017.12.21} - 23.014
20 - Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} - 21.226 (11.694 Climax Edition)
21 - Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Capcom) (2017.05.26) – 21.139
22 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda Softworks) {2018.02.01} - 19.547
23 - Dragon Quest X: 5000-nen no Harukanaru Kokyou e Online (Square Enix) (2017.11.16) - 18.444
24 - Puyo Puyo Tetris S (Sega) (2017.03.03) - 17.323
25 - Bayonetta - Climax Edition (Nintendo) {2018.02.17} - 11.694
26 - Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Marvelous) (2017.07.20) - 10.247
27 - Dragon Quest X: All in One Package (Square Enix) (2017.09.21) - 9.482
28 - Minna de Wai Wai! Spelunker (Square Enix) (2017.04.20) - 7.447
29 - Resident Evil: Revelations Collection (Capcom) (2017.11.30) - 6.540
30 - Lost Sphear (Square Enix) (2017.10.12) - 5.770
31 - Nobunaga's Ambition: Taishi (Koei Tecmo) (2017.11.30) - 5.636
32 - LEGO City Undercover (Warner Entertainment Japan) (2017.06.29) - 5.351
33 - I am Setsuna (Square Enix) {2017.03.03} - 4.753
34 - Sonic Forces (Sega) (2017.11.09) - 4.686
35 - One Piece: Unlimited World Red – Deluxe Edition (Bandai Namco Games) (2017.08.24) - 4.652
36 - Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon (Koei Tecmo) (2017.08.31) - 4.463
37 - Disgaea 5 Complete (Nippon Ichi Software) {2017.03.03} - 3.477
38 - Cars 3: Driven to Win (Warner Entertainment Japan) (2017.07.20) - 3.220
39 - NBA 2K18 (Take-Two Interactive Japan) (2017.10.17) - 2.689
40 - Champion Jockey Special (Koei Tecmo) (2017.09.14) - 2.626
41 - Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo) {2017.03.03} - 1.400



Highlights:
- 2 new games, Bayonetta 2 (20th) and Bayonetta (25th)


SWITCH GAMES, Ranking Sales, Japan, 2018 (Feb 05 - Feb 11)
https://www.resetera.com/posts/4573886/
 

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Nah, it will perform much better in the US. The OG game on WiiU was already a bust - just porting it to Switch for the same price wont automatically make it sell like more popular titles.

Yep. Wouldn't surprise me if lifetime sales meet or exceed the Wii U game based almost solely on US performance. And even if it doesn't, it's still a good set of titles to have on the platform and Nintendo is likely netting a nice return on investment from the game at this point.
 

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Switch will need a miracle to compete against NDS (which is the system Nintendo should be really chasing in Japan, when you consider they only have one system to cater for), alas I don't see anything promising on the horizon.
 

DarkDetective

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If Bayonetta 2 standard edition and Bayonetta 2 Non-Stop Climax Edition were combined, the game would be at #5 at 21.226 copies.

It's an abomination that the Non-Stop Climax Edition sold more than the regular edition. It clearly shows where demand is. Shame on you, Nintendo. Now produce more of those fuckers.
 

ACL

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PS4 with another sharp drop, MH affect on hardware seems to be wearing off.
 
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Pablo Mesa

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If Bayonetta 2 standard edition and Bayonetta 2 Non-Stop Climax Edition were combined, the game would be at #5 at 21.226 copies.

It's an abomination that the Non-Stop Climax Edition sold more than the regular edition. It clearly shows where demand is. Shame on you, Nintendo. Now produce more of those fuckers.
wait for Infinite Climax Edition Triple Pack release when Bayo 3 release in 2020 o3o
 
Still, my case is more that with the move to switch and the speed of console sales.
You'd think the game would be faring far better all-around regardless of region.
Yeah, but it might leg it out though. I'm curious how it's doing in the US.

And, random anecdote, but I noticed damn near my entire Switch friends list was playing one of the Bayos last night.
 

Oregano

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Switch will need a miracle to compete against NDS (which is the system Nintendo should be really chasing in Japan, when you consider they only have one system to cater for), alas I don't see anything promising on the horizon.

PS4 will need a miracle to compete against PS2 (which is the system Sony should be really chasing in Japan, when you consider they only have one system to cater for), alas I don't see anything promising on the horizon.
 

Marmoka

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Bayonetta... Yikes!!

I really hope this game is doing well in the west. This franchise deserves more.
 
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