I mean it's safe to say it was a success... you can hate it but to deny the Porgs were a failure is not based in any reality.
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Medium, Pablo Hidalgo and Young: Many of the ideas for TFA and TLF were from Lucas
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I mean it's safe to say it was a success... you can hate it but to deny the Porgs were a failure is not based in any reality.
Only fans who didn't like TLJ think that pointing out how much of George's vision for the Sequel Trilogy remains is some sort of attempt to "blame it on him". It's not.
But a lot of those same fans think that Lucas had nothing to do with this because "he would never make Luke a hermit or go into hiding after failing". Well, he did in fact come up with that (mostly).
It just confirms that George is great at coming up with broad outlines of stories and concepts.
But a lot of those same fans think that Lucas had nothing to do with this because "he would never make Luke a hermit or go into hiding after failing". Well, he did in fact come up with that (mostly).
It just confirms that George is great at coming up with broad outlines of stories and concepts.
I just hate their big cutesy eyes. They're like little Ewoks.
I'm not sure these sentences came out as intended.
Regardless, the success of the porgs is not something that can be objectively quantified. For some they were good, some acceptable, some terrible. Only a poll would show any indications
The Star Wars website does a fan vote every year and a lot of people voted for her. It's the only chance for EU figures they want to get made now.Funny you should mention that.
A brand new toy of hers was just released, figured she was persona non grata as was all the other EU.
We could've had Darth Talon.
WE COULD'VE HAD A TWI'LEK IN AN IMPORTANT ROLE ON THE BIG SCREEN
Oh well. Maybe someday. Until then I guess Hera's the closest we'll get. She's cool. But TV show not the same as a movie.
WE COULD'VE HAD A TWI'LEK IN AN IMPORTANT ROLE ON THE BIG SCREEN
Oh well. Maybe someday. Until then I guess Hera's the closest we'll get. She's cool. But TV show not the same as a movie.
We haven't seen the end of Talon. That she came so very close to being in the sequel trilogy and in such a huge role indicates the interest in making her fit into the new canon. Yeah, they decided not to go the Episode VII route with her but we have seen time and time again how discarded Star Wars ideas get picked up and used in future projects.
Visually she's unlike any other Star Wars villain we have ever had, can't wait to see how they manage to work her into things.
Visually she's unlike any other Star Wars villain we have ever had, can't wait to see how they manage to work her into things.
Pretty cool, I wouldn't want Lucas to direct but at least his ideas, creativity and themes are quite fresh and interesting, he would at least have pushed for new locations and if there was a good director and writer to help out they could be really good. You can see JJ and Rian sucked the life out them and just padded them with nothingness and played it safe.
I'm tired of discussing Star Wars at this point, but the GL version would have been infinitely better than the ANH retread we got in Episode 7. And it wouldn't have set us up to retread ESB in TLJ.. It's a shame really. All that money and writers at Disney couldn't come up with an original story.
Not big fan of ST storyline as a whole, but no matter how you look at it "Uber" sounds much much better than "Snoke".
I wish Lucas still ran Star Wars.
I said it.
Clone Wars is the perfect example of Lucas being confined to the role of idea man and overseer but letting great people handle the execution. And, it worked out great.
I said it.
Clone Wars is the perfect example of Lucas being confined to the role of idea man and overseer but letting great people handle the execution. And, it worked out great.
Agreed, and at least we would have gotten funny jokes if they turned out prequel bad. We missed out either way
hopefully we hear even more of his plans once the next movie is done and out. I like that they incorporated his stuff in here though, I was annoyed initially thinking they scrapped everything Lucas gave them for the future of his franchise.
too bad he didn't have collaborators with him on the Prequel trilogy. I think with a co-writer and having other directors we could have gotten something more well realized.
too bad he didn't have collaborators with him on the Prequel trilogy. I think with a co-writer and having other directors we could have gotten something more well realized.
Luke is Yoda, Rey is luke, empire wins at the end, rebels suffer big loss. It is the same film basically
I laughed.
Are you just going to post the same post again and again?
I really hope this isn't a serious post.
If you go down that route, I'm sure you can find a connection between any two things and then call those two things "basically the same".
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This looks so much more interesting than what we actually have gotten so far.On this note, people should really check out the concept art books for both movies if they wanna see more of the early days of planning the sequel trilogy. Lots of interesting imagery
Super interesting stuff. It's really neat getting a window into how ideas change over time, and I'm appreciative of that, but sometimes it's for the better that this stuff doesn't get out there.
Now there will always be (and there probably already was) a contingent of people that will long for George's trilogy based off of concept art and broad brushstrokes he laid down. I would have probably preferred things like George's Jakku, for instance, but there are so many things that change and are reasoned out through production that those hypotheticals always feel like they're wishing for something that probably would have changed into something else anyways once it got down to business of making the film. It seems like that version of Jakku was probably a bit dark for TFA and Rey's journey tonally, for instance.
And, nobody wants a repeat of the prequels where there are similar complaints: great ideas, crummy execution.
Now there will always be (and there probably already was) a contingent of people that will long for George's trilogy based off of concept art and broad brushstrokes he laid down. I would have probably preferred things like George's Jakku, for instance, but there are so many things that change and are reasoned out through production that those hypotheticals always feel like they're wishing for something that probably would have changed into something else anyways once it got down to business of making the film. It seems like that version of Jakku was probably a bit dark for TFA and Rey's journey tonally, for instance.
And, nobody wants a repeat of the prequels where there are similar complaints: great ideas, crummy execution.
those are all the main plot points of the film. lucas got shit on the 'it rhymes' crap but these films are basically using tracing paper
Yes. I'm not getting dragged back into this discussion again, but that's basically it.
They are same stuff, either way. I liked the film well enough but just like TFA half the time I was thinking 'oh just like the original film'
....Ugh. Now that I actually read the article I'm even more upset with the movie's we've gotten. FUCK, this would have been good!
This, even with TLJ I basically knew what was going to happen once I saw the ships trying to leave the first planet. Rey/Snoke/Kylo was surprising, as was Luke dying, but the overall plot was super predictable.
I really want to know what Trevorrow's Episode 9 was going to be.
So you found what happened to all the main characters surprising, but somehow the movie was predictable? If you take out all those characters all you have left is the Rebellion and their chase scene.
Star Wars to me, is about the larger arc than any individual characters. I've said that several times in other threads.
So Lucas came up with the cool ideas of the sequel trilogy? So Disney can't even be credited with that.
I still don't understand the narrative of the Disney Star Wars being good and publishing post after post to convince others. If you like it fine but be aware that others hate it. Why didn't the prequels get this level of justification and protectiveness?
I still don't understand the narrative of the Disney Star Wars being good and publishing post after post to convince others. If you like it fine but be aware that others hate it. Why didn't the prequels get this level of justification and protectiveness?
A 'narrative' suggests that it's false when that isn't the case. Both TFA and TLJ have been well received. Rogue One to a lesser extent, but it still received a mostly positive reception from critics.
Seriously.
I get people not liking the new movies but I don't get how people can drag them down to the levels of the prequels unironically
They have worse world building and overall arcs than the prequels. Though they are executed better.
I actually think they are more imaginative and dont want to remake scene after scene of the OT, but the overall execution is super horrible.
A 90% RT rating and an average of 85 on Metacritic isn't well received?
News to me.
Help me if I'm wrong, but there is literally no revisited locale in any of the new movies, is there? All planets are new. Yes, Jakku looks a lot like Tatooine and I too would have loved to see this graveyard world be something else then sand-dessert.
Also, if Rian played it safe, why is the fandom so up in arms about Luke not being 'theirs' anymore in TLJ, or even up in arms because it's not the Star Wars they expected? (I agree JJ played it quite safe with reusing imagery and beats, but I can understand why he and Lucasfilm thought this was necessairy. TFA had to prove the 'old' Star Wars was back first, before they could subvert)
I'll give you the world building. TFA left out so many important details about the state of the world and the EU had to pick up the slack.