Meghan Markle interview with Oprah, "Royal institution had concerns about "how dark" Archie's skin might be"

anamika

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personally I think blaming the victim here, is kinda shitty.
Who is blaming her? But did anyone expect anything different from an outdated racist, sexist, classist family? A family that has exploited and looked down on generations of black and brown people. Philip is openly racist. Did she expect a bunch of racists to openly embrace her?

This would be like marrying into the Trump family and then being surprised that they are racist.

But Meghan claims she did not know anything about even Harry, so maybe she really was taken aback by all that racism.
 

Isilia

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It's like this tweet points out:

I remember John Oliver on Kimmel or Fallon saying that she should not to get married into that family and he would not as a commoner. Easy research into the family would have told her what type of people they were.

I guess she just assumed things would be different for her.
...Of all things, why are people blaming her.

(I do know why, it's just abhorrent)
 

Tbm24

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As usual it's up to the negro to know better.
This the shit that happens in mixed relationships. My wife's family was waaaayyyy to fixated on if my Daughter would look like me or her. You could feel their happiness when she came out looking like her mom complexion wise. It's why in part I'm going to train her to be obnoxiously Latina when around them.
 

Commedieu

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This the shit that happens in mixed relationships. My wife's family was waaaayyyy to fixated on if my Daughter would look like me or her. You could feel their happiness when she came out looking like her mom complexion wise. It's why in part I'm going to train her to be obnoxiously Latina when around them.
...id like updates on this...

sounds like a good 90s sitcom.

I've got a good name.

"My Familia."

*this is assuming lighter vs brown?
 

Hollywood Duo

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It's like this tweet points out:

I remember John Oliver on Kimmel or Fallon saying that she should not to get married into that family and he would not as a commoner. Easy research into the family would have told her what type of people they were.

I guess she just assumed things would be different for her.
Or maybe Harry promised to bounce if things got bad like they predictably did.
 

anamika

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Or maybe Harry promised to bounce if things got bad like they predictably did.
It shouldn't have got to the point where she was considering suicide. That's pretty bad. Harry should have bounced immediately. The moment one of his trash relatives wore that brooch or when they all laughed at the music choices at his wedding. He more than anyone knows his family. Should have bounced ASAP.
 

Hollywood Duo

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It shouldn't have got to the point where she was considering suicide. That's pretty bad. Harry should have bounced immediately. The moment one of his trash relatives wore that brooch or when they all laughed at the music choices at his wedding. He more than anyone knows his family. Should have bounced ASAP.
I get the sentiment but it’s not easy to cut your entire family out of your life. That is an extremely difficult situation no matter who you are.
 

Karateka

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Why do these royals exist? Even Harry, and let's be fair he sounds extremely privileged complaining about how he has no freedom in the palace, complains that as a royal you are trapped. The royals don't like being royals? So why do we have royals? We certainly don't need them, they literally do nothing that literally any celebrity could do without being famous for the family they were born into.
 

Makeno

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This the shit that happens in mixed relationships. My wife's family was waaaayyyy to fixated on if my Daughter would look like me or her. You could feel their happiness when she came out looking like her mom complexion wise. It's why in part I'm going to train her to be obnoxiously Latina when around them.
I know man, I'm technically mixed as my father is melting pot but predominantly Caribbean blood runs through me - I have uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews of dual heritage, mixed in all kinds of ways.

Fortunately we were brought up to accept each other regardless and to love each others differences between our shared features. I have fair nieces and nephews, some mixed with white, some with south asian heritage, and they're beautiful. I get what you're saying, and I'm sorry that you have to engage with that bullshit, but my family has always tried to be accepting so I don't really empathise with those that don't. Especially when they sit at the head of my own damn country.

Sorry, bit tense as I've spent the morning perusing Twitter.

edit: sorry just waffling in the end, I'm just big mad with this whole thing and I don't know how to express it. Don't mean to minimise anything you've gone through too.
 

Snakeeee

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Why do these royals exist? Even Harry, and let's be fair he sounds extremely privileged complaining about how he has no freedom in the palace, complains that as a royal you are trapped. The royals don't like being royals? So why do we have royals? We certainly don't need them, they literally do nothing that literally any celebrity could do without being famous for the family they were born into.
Because the peopel in power dont want to lose that power.

They could stop been royal and they still whould have a lot of money, but they whould lose all the power and for some families that is a very hard thing to do.
 

jelly

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She loves Harry not the family, I’m sure many people don’t think much beyond the person they love when considering their future, maybe naively both thought they could have it both ways, freedom and royal clout and that didn’t work out but they shouldn’t be knocked for standing up for themselves.
 

Tbm24

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...id like updates on this...

sounds like a good 90s sitcom.

I've got a good name.

"My Familia."

*this is assuming lighter vs brown?
Essentially yea, add on my mother is Afro-latina and my daughter all about her Abuela. I'll be doing a long study as she grows older. Planted seeds already by having my wife's sister be her "Tia" rather than aunt and effectively forcing her to be referred to that way. Good times ahead.
 

Nooblet

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Why do these royals exist? Even Harry, and let's be fair he sounds extremely privileged complaining about how he has no freedom in the palace, complains that as a royal you are trapped. The royals don't like being royals? So why do we have royals? We certainly don't need them, they literally do nothing that literally any celebrity could do without being famous for the family they were born into.
Basically when they say the Royals it's all about the monarch, the whole thing revolves around the monarch, who is the only one who has any real say in the the family. And the Queen doesn't really say anything about it because she distances herself from all of this. It's why people go Royalty is shit but Queen is nice.

Harry is privileged but we know that ever since he was born he was basically trained to walk, talk, eat, stand, sit a certain way and doing anything else without permission was not allowed. It's also known that parents don't really spend time with their kids in the family, hence Diana was different in that she tried her hardest to be there for her kids. Regardless of the privileged you can still feel trapped if what you can or can't do is dictated by someone else. I remember when Meghan was asked to delete her social media account when she married in because none of them are allowed to have a social media account, now she says that her passport was taken as well...that just sounds nuts.
 

Dirtyshubb

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Folks, if only she had done her research she never would have fallen in love with Harry.
To be fair I think the original point is that the Royals are a know quantity and it's an institution that was built on colonialism and is fiercely traditional so to expect them to be progressive and inclusive is naive.

Of course the blame should go on the royals themselves for their actions because no one should have to deal with bigotry and victims shouldn't be blamed for what others are doing to them.
 

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Shout out to Patrick J Adams, click the tweet it is a long thread on the whole thing
 

Dis

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Why do these royals exist? Even Harry, and let's be fair he sounds extremely privileged complaining about how he has no freedom in the palace, complains that as a royal you are trapped. The royals don't like being royals? So why do we have royals? We certainly don't need them, they literally do nothing that literally any celebrity could do without being famous for the family they were born into.
Oh but they do in fact do something normal celebrities don't, they get paid by the taxpayers to be famous for the family they were born into........I will never not laugh at the idiotic take that benefits are bad and those who rightfully need them are bad people for having the help they need but the same awful people claiming that are all for paying the royal family vast amounts of tax payer money and that's fine. This family is the ultimate benefit cheats, the actual real benefit cheats that the government have spent years claiming is a widespread issue but isn't in the general population. This family has no need for the vast money we give them, they aren't without means, yet somehow it's normal folks and the sick and disabled who are subject to yearly means testing, medical testing, court cases to fight for their benefits to continue because the tory government has decided a physiotherapist knows more about mental health disabilities than your actual expert doctors who treat you every day. Fucking ridiculous that we still allow this family to be a thing.
 

Makeno

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When I was with my ex, his family was abhorrently racist and anti semitic to me (I have a Black Jewish Dad and White Jewish Mother). I brought it up, incredibly hurt. His response?
"What did you expect?"
Sorry you had to take that. My first experience of this was dating a girl from Singapore as a teen, she took me to her place which was owned by her parents that lived abroad and said I could stay there for as long as I needed as I was thinking on leaving my shitty job at the time, obviously elated by this but then she told me I couldn't be there when her parents were around because they don't like black people "obviously". Just liking someone comes with these penalties.

Hmm you know what, that's enough internet for today.
 
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It's like this tweet points out:

I remember John Oliver on Kimmel or Fallon saying that she should not to get married into that family and he would not as a commoner. Easy research into the family would have told her what type of people they were.

I guess she just assumed things would be different for her.
Or maybe she's actually into her husband?? Lots of people can separate their spouse from their family. Not sure why she's being held to a higher standard just cause his family is royalty
 

Kernel

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I get the sentiment but it’s not easy to cut your entire family out of your life. That is an extremely difficult situation no matter who you are.
My toxic family made by then girlfriend’s life a living hell. It took me some time to cut them off. She wasn’t suicidal but it subjected her to more harm than she should have.
 

anamika

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Or maybe she's actually into her husband?? Lots of people can separate their spouse from their family. Not sure why she's being held to a higher standard just cause his family is royalty
The difference being that in her case she had to then live with her husband's shitty parents and shitty family, confirm to their rules on how to sit and eat and talk to people, pretend to act normal while enduring microaggressions and racism everyday, deal with a racist tabloid press obsessed with that family - all this leading to her mental health being affected so badly she was considering taking her own life. Even her passport was taken away. What was done to her was exactly what was done to Diana. With the added racism.

She wasn't just marrying Harry. She was marrying into a racist, sexist, classist institution that has looted and exploited black and brown people around the world and whose members have been openly racist.

I mean, have people forgotten this?
 
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Her being murdered is a conspiracy theory, I think due to the situation and everything that went on people jump on that being more likely of a fact than fiction but it's still never been proven and probably never will be. She was a national treasure and then a freak set of events all lead up to a freak accident which ended up killing her. There's even a Mitchell and Webb sketch about it.

Well no I don't think they literally murdered Princess Diana but they contributed to the circumstances that led to her death.

If it weren't for the Royal Family, there's no doubt she'd still be alive.
 

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As a eu citizen, I'm starting to think that brexit was a good thing.
So then you agree with the Queen that brexit was a good idea? :p

Turns out from articles posted in this thread, before Parliament could even debate various laws like Brexit Buckingham Palace reviews draft legislation to approve before being brought to the rest of Parliament.
 

Ary F.

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Sorry you had to take that. My first experience of this was dating a girl from Singapore as a teen, she took me to her place which was owned by her parents that lived abroad and said I could stay there for as long as I needed as I was thinking on leaving my shitty job at the time, obviously elated by this but then she told me I couldn't be there when her parents were around because they don't like black people "obviously". Just liking someone comes with these penalties.

Hmm you know what, that's enough internet for today.
Shits so fucked up. I'm so sorry that happened to you, being in a vulnerable circumstance and hearing THAT just sounds soul crushing.

I'm terrified of dating again because of that ever present soul weariness that comes with dating outside your race. Its 10x worse when they're upper middle class. When they constantly debate about topics that affect your life personally and they refuse to acknowledge that perhaps they've been raised and protected in a bubble. I never want to experience that again.

I'm glad Meghan has someone as supportive as Harry and I wish them nothing but happiness.
 

Eoin

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Support for them will probably take a dip in Charles's reign - he's long had a reputation for being a fart-sniffing busybody and has never really had his mother's popularity - but William is very well liked.
I'm not sure support will even noticeably dip when Charles is king. Before that happens there will be a huge sequence of events kicked off by the Queen's death, which will include a big funeral, a mourning period, wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-ceiling-to-floor media coverage that redefines the concept of media "saturation", then eventually a coronation (months later - it's not out of the question that it might be more than a year afterwards). That'll come with its own coverage and an approximately infinite amount of themed paraphernalia, plus there will be the usual state trappings as the UK's anthem changes to God Save The King, Charles' face starts appearing on newly minted currency, and all the UK's ERs become CRs or GRs or whatever. The media narrative will probably be along the lines of Charles, the man born to be king, finally fulfilling his destiny.

There's every chance that that prolonged celebratory and commiseratory process will boost the popularity of the royal family in general and Charles in particular.

Charles I: lost the monarchy and his head
Charles II: restored the monarchy
Charles III: will probably loose the monarchy, or at least some kingdoms

I don't think there will be a Charles IV.
There might not even be a Charles III. Charles has grown up fully immersed in this kind of thing. He is certainly aware of the associations and also aware that he can choose a different regnal name to avoid those associations.
 

DarthMasta

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She probably figured what she was getting into as being something akin to being a Hollywood celeb, but it's worse, so much worse.
 

Br3wnor

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Is there any chance Charles abdicates the throne and lets William be king? With the PR tour this family is going to have to make in the coming years, William seems like he’d be a much more popular King than his father
 

Dekuman

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Aren't William and Harry not on good terms due to Meghan? If William becomes king it could only get worse
 

Joni

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Is there any chance Charles abdicates the throne and lets William be king? With the PR tour this family is going to have to make in the coming years, William seems like he’d be a much more popular King than his father
He has been trained the last 68 years to be king.
 

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I'm not sure support will even noticeably dip when Charles is king. Before that happens there will be a huge sequence of events kicked off by the Queen's death, which will include a big funeral, a mourning period, wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-ceiling-to-floor media coverage that redefines the concept of media "saturation", then eventually a coronation (months later - it's not out of the question that it might be more than a year afterwards). That'll come with its own coverage and an approximately infinite amount of themed paraphernalia, plus there will be the usual state trappings as the UK's anthem changes to God Save The King, Charles' face starts appearing on newly minted currency, and all the UK's ERs become CRs or GRs or whatever. The media narrative will probably be along the lines of Charles, the man born to be king, finally fulfilling his destiny.

There's every chance that that prolonged celebratory and commiseratory process will boost the popularity of the royal family in general and Charles in particular.


There might not even be a Charles III. Charles has grown up fully immersed in this kind of thing. He is certainly aware of the associations and also aware that he can choose a different regnal name to avoid those associations.
Yeah, dreading her passing.

Life on this lepar island will be more unbearable than it is now. Not for the reasons one might think.
 

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I'm not sure support will even noticeably dip when Charles is king. Before that happens there will be a huge sequence of events kicked off by the Queen's death, which will include a big funeral, a mourning period, wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-ceiling-to-floor media coverage that redefines the concept of media "saturation", then eventually a coronation (months later - it's not out of the question that it might be more than a year afterwards). That'll come with its own coverage and an approximately infinite amount of themed paraphernalia, plus there will be the usual state trappings as the UK's anthem changes to God Save The King, Charles' face starts appearing on newly minted currency, and all the UK's ERs become CRs or GRs or whatever. The media narrative will probably be along the lines of Charles, the man born to be king, finally fulfilling his destiny.

There's every chance that that prolonged celebratory and commiseratory process will boost the popularity of the royal family in general and Charles in particular.


There might not even be a Charles III. Charles has grown up fully immersed in this kind of thing. He is certainly aware of the associations and also aware that he can choose a different regnal name to avoid those associations.
Yeah, I'm not sure what people are expecting to come out of this.

Do you remember not just over a year ago when Andrew went on national TV and tried to defend his close relationship with a child trafficker and peadophile by claiming to be in Pizza Express? The only thing that came of that was he was pulled back from public duties. We still pay for his lavish lifestyle.

If there is one thing we learned from the BLM protests, it is that this country is not willing to have a discussion with itself about race. We are certainly not going to bin the royal family because they are obviously racist.

We are not even going to learn the lesson that maybe our rabid tabloid press needs reigning in.

Especially at the moment, the country is riven in two. Initially by Brexit/Remain but that has now fermented into woke/anti- woke and any real attempts at change are going to be blocked up by this ridiculous fake culture war.
 

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I don't believe anything she says frankly. She was happy to happy to have all the attention up to getting married, I think she wanted it all but didn't like being told what to do. Joining the Royal family is like joining a business, you can't just do what you want. I also don't believe that Harry didn't mention anything about how life would be prior to her meeting the family and getting married.
He also wants the quiet life but then goes and does several big interviews on TV. What a moron.
 
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I don't believe anything she says frankly. She was happy to happy to have all the attention up to getting married, I think she wanted it all but didn't like being told what to do.
These two sentences are fucking hilarious, especially considering the Royal Family's history of protecting their own at all costs. Unless it's Diana. Or Meghan. You know, people who don't conform to the antiquated institutions rooted in colonialism the family is so desperate to uphold.

I particularly like how you completely ignore the racism and bigotry she was constantly subjected to with no support system and go right to victim blaming.
 

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I don't believe anything she says frankly. She was happy to happy to have all the attention up to getting married, I think she wanted it all but didn't like being told what to do. Joining the Royal family is like joining a business, you can't just do what you want. I also don't believe that Harry didn't mention anything about how life would be prior to her meeting the family and getting married.
He also wants the quiet life but then goes and does several big interviews on TV. What a moron.
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was this post satire without the /s? Because if not, you ain't shit.
 

Joni

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He also wants the quiet life but then goes and does several big interviews on TV. What a moron.
So you see no difference between coming on TV on your own terms and being hounded by paparazzi?
It is like saying a stalking victim shouldn't be dating regular men because she doesn't want to be stalked.
 

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I don't believe anything she says frankly. She was happy to happy to have all the attention up to getting married, I think she wanted it all but didn't like being told what to do. Joining the Royal family is like joining a business, you can't just do what you want. I also don't believe that Harry didn't mention anything about how life would be prior to her meeting the family and getting married.
He also wants the quiet life but then goes and does several big interviews on TV. What a moron.
Great gammon impression.
 

SasaBassa

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Shitposters runnin wild

Oprah is damn good at what she does and i mean, this is one of the more believable accounts to come out of the Royals. Good on Meghan and Harry for escaping.