Merkel Reverses Long-Held Stance on Asylum Seekers in Bid to Save Her Government
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This is the type of news Trump likes to here. He already has a dumb, poor base but a lot of progressive leaders around the world do not, so he can pump the rhetoric and trade wars because he and the rest of the GOP know he just has to outlast the ruling party. You can already see trends of this in Canada too.
It's the way the world turns.
Sometimes you get good periods. Sometimes you get bad ones. We're headed into a really bad one.
Sometimes you get good periods. Sometimes you get bad ones. We're headed into a really bad one.
This is literally only going to have negative effects. So asylum seekers need to stay in those centres/camps at the border until they are accepted or denied in a quick process. The goal here is mainly to not let in people who already got their asylum in other EU countries like Italy.
So what's going to happen is that Italy is just not going let these people claim asylum there, and they'll be coming here without any form of papers or identification. And Germany will have to accept the asylum claims that are legit, which will be only harder to determine.
So what's going to happen is that Italy is just not going let these people claim asylum there, and they'll be coming here without any form of papers or identification. And Germany will have to accept the asylum claims that are legit, which will be only harder to determine.
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Merkel seems to be dead set on clinging to power. Pretty remarkable how she keeps going.
Can we keep Trump out of it please. It's not necessary to relate everything to the US.
Can we keep Trump out of it please. It's not necessary to relate everything to the US.
I hope this turn doesn't continue for decades. That would be depressing.
Germany has done the most in Europe to take in refugees, which is commendable, but still much less than smaller/less wealthy nations in Asia/ME/Africa (graph is a couple years old -- the numbers have gone up). The rest of Europe should step up, but alas.
With Merkel being on the way out it will be interesting who emerges in the next election.
Calm down, doubt his is the right answer, especially with Germany.
People should be able to understand it a little bit if you look at the numbers. It is always a difficult task to take so many people in and find a population to be okay with that.
They still have to go through the process and stuff. You can't just let everybody in because any country would collapse under the weight.
AfD are a bunch of Nazis and Seehofer might as well join them at this point instead of chickening out of his resignation.
Which nation? How do you get them to agree to that? What if none of them do? Where do they live in the mean time, while that stuff is all happening? How you getting them there? This idea has so many holes it's not even funny.
She did exaggerate in 2015 with her open arms approach. Especially considering her harshness towards smaller EU countries post-2008 crash
Kind of off topic, but on topic...I sure wish people from these countries didn't have to flee for their lives just to keep their loved ones alive. Is the war in Syvia ever going to end in my lifetime or will it be more bloodshed and more bloodshed until I'm dead?
Improve the conditions in their countries of origin.
Western nations investing in those troubled countries could do more to improve the stability of those countries.
Notice that Morroco , Algeria and Tunísia don't give a fuck at helping out
That's an extremely general answer for a very specific scenario. That's what the EU should have done pre-2015, yes. The EU reaped what it sowed in 2015. But in that specific time in 2015 when a decision had to be made with asylum seekers already waiting at borders of Hungary etc., I don't see an alternative approach that could have been used.
So she's doing what people said Germany should do from the beginning?
Building housing, camps, and investing in infrastructure instead of an open door policy that results in thousands of deaths at sea from people looking to get to Germany from Africa.
Very few people are against helping refugees and poor immigrants, you just have to do it in a way that isn't stupid and pisses off your population, and your neighboring countries when you try and force them to take people in that you invited.
With that said, it's the USA who should be funding the rebuilding of many ME nations, not Germany, but that's never going to happen with this administration.
Building housing, camps, and investing in infrastructure instead of an open door policy that results in thousands of deaths at sea from people looking to get to Germany from Africa.
Very few people are against helping refugees and poor immigrants, you just have to do it in a way that isn't stupid and pisses off your population, and your neighboring countries when you try and force them to take people in that you invited.
With that said, it's the USA who should be funding the rebuilding of many ME nations, not Germany, but that's never going to happen with this administration.
Anyone wanting Merkel out doesn't understand that there is no good, respected, experienced, politician out there who could stem the tide against populism or far right rhetoric.
CSU is going full steam ahead far-right and I shudder what they could do to Germany and Europe if they either put up the new Chancellor or CDU has a weak candidate. CSU is going full-Trump at the moment.
CSU is going full steam ahead far-right and I shudder what they could do to Germany and Europe if they either put up the new Chancellor or CDU has a weak candidate. CSU is going full-Trump at the moment.
I know. But I still have hope that a new candidate can show up for the next election and right the ship a bit until the more extreme side dies down. As long as they can keep them in check everything will work out eventually as the fear will die down.
The USA picking up the slack..., conveniently there is a nice big ocean between them and every other nation on this planet. I believe we had a thread before in this issues that the USA took in almost no immigrants from countries they are partially responsible for in terms of devastation.
Who knows really..., all this fighting for oil, the Middle East between each other because of religion... . If everybody would smarten up then these issues would reduce themself quite a bit, but everybody wants to not concede on their arguments.
This specific change in policy is going to do exactly nothing in terms of people coming over here with boats or not.
The EU meetings in the recent weeks were aimed at that.
Seehofer doesn't care about any of that or what those meetings achieved or not. He just wants to be able to stop people at the border of his precious Bavaria.
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Fair enough, your post seemed to be addressing 2015 in particular.
Doubt the USA will ever pay anything. They will continue to ignore it and point at everybody else. =/
I agree that she could have been more careful and now they finally get a bit more careful. Hopefully they find somebody for the next election to push more to the left.
2015 is the year with the biggest surge of refugees and when Merkel opened her doors, despite post-2008
Not really. These people wanting these changes are basically trumpists. You don't really need to know a whole lot to see they wouldn't exist in any noticeable way without the new direction of the US government, ie Trump.
There is a pretty clear connection, at least ideologically.
And yes, the "open arms" thing was definitely a mistake, not the idea, but the execution. Merkel had to know how most people here would likely react and about the possible consequences.
What does "opened her doors" mean exactly? Germanys borders weren't closed, they were open as a part of Schengen. She didn't open her borders, she refused to close them when the refugee influx got higher.
By advertising it more vocally .
Despite the stress Greece was getting hammered with the influx of many via the Mediterranean
I don't see how confirming that what has been always the case will keep being the case is advertisement.
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This is completely false. US politics has not a huge influence on German politics and Trump has won the presidency end of 2016, the AfD entered the first state's parliament in 2014 and established themselves in (almost?) every election since 2015. Trump is not the reason for this. Xenophobia in Germany (as it exists in every state) is.
Couldn't find a schedule or something right now, so I'm guessing there's not an exact time yet. SPD are probably discussing internally first is my guess.
They have already.
I was referring to AfD and those opposing immigrants. I should've explained more.
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No no no no the USA is the center of the universe and everything is about Trump and he is orange turd didnt you know?