The funny thing is that he's from Brazil.So you don't play on PC then? Because if you did you'd understand going from ten stores competing for your money, versus being forced to buy from one.
So, about the dev post, I looked at his profile and someone thanked him for making a Metro game back in the 2010. Take it as you will.
I see. My understanding is that they've tried to support a lot of smaller payment methods, but some have evidently slipped through the cracks. Hopefully if gamers in Chile make enough noise Epic will notice and address the oversight.
Epic money hat to get Metro.
The result is a cheaper game for me.
What's so wrong about it?
Exodus on Steam was 28.95 USD in Brazil, and is 39.99 USD on EGS. How this is cheaper?
They are implementing regional prices mostly in US dollars. Local currencies and local payment methods are going to take longer (they do have some, but a lot less than regions for pricing now).Are you sure? Because they were rolling out major regional pricing changes, like... yesterday.
Honestly, maybe I'm reading way too much into it, but what rubs me the wrong way is how he phrases his post, it's almost like we owe him something. But yeah, I agree that we shouldn't crucify an entire studio even if the post has been made by one of the currently working employees.Could be anything, could be an ex-employee, could be someone having a bad day, in the end it's one guy. I'm all for calling higher ups like Tim Sweeney tweeting nonsense but can't really get mad over a random rant on a Russian forum.
I might see now what you guys are saying. I might not completely agree, but I understand the point.
Sorry for trying to minimize it.
There is some ambiguity around physical copies. Mainly because we've yet to lay eyes on a physical copy of Metro Exodus and one of these fabled Epic keys. (I don't think they've even been implemented in EGS yet.)So you don't play on PC then? Because if you did you'd understand going from ten stores competing for your money, versus being forced to buy from one.
Makes sense.Well here's the thing; why pay to remove it from Steam?
Release it on Epic. Offer the $50 price point. Add the regional pricing. Compete. Let the consumer decide who they want to buy from.
If Epic weren't being such dicks it'd be great having another option. But that's not what's happening at all.
Reading his entire post in Russian was quite eye opening. Arrogance and entitlement in almost every word. He believes that people who are against Epic deal were never their customers, that they're, unlike 4A, incapable of creating something great.
The original post was made from 10 years old account of someone who claims to be from Ukraine. It can be a troll of course, but I don't think the site in question is popular enough for that kind of thing.
https://www.gameru.net/forum/index.php?showuser=11266
Allegedly some dev from 4A Games responded to whole situation.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/412020/discussions/0/1780513643852520184/
In short if game under performs on PC he thinks that they will skip PC next time.
Scynet also claimed that those that decide to pirate the game would have done so, regardless of this timed-exclusive deal, and those are not the players that the developers target.
However, the developer went one step further and stated that if all PC gamers boycott Metro Exodus then the next Metro game (if there is one mind you) will not come out on the PC. Now I'm pretty sure that the developer was exaggerating here but it begs the question; how many PC sales can guarantee the continuation of the Metro franchise on the PC?
I garantee you I'm not trolling.
The way I see now is not a big deal. But I would like to learn more about it and understand why a "simple" client change is making people angry.
If there's any link you could share with me so I can read more, I would appreciate it.
PC-era giving the website extra coverage!
I garantee you I'm not trolling.
The way I see now is not a big deal. But I would like to learn more about it and understand why a "simple" client change is making people angry.
Epic jumped ship in the 2000s and now that PC Gaming is in one of its best moments, they want to ruin everything.Allegedly some dev from 4A Games responded to whole situation.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/412020/discussions/0/1780513643852520184/
In short if game under performs on PC he thinks that they will skip PC next time.
In my defense, i did read the first 6 pages.Maybe start reading this thread then or one the few other dozens that deal with EGS.
But coming in lategame into a 60+ pages thread with another awful hot take, get called out for it and then deflect it with "hurr durr im not trolling just asking question guys" is the textbook definition of trolling.
Epic jumped ship in the 2000s and now that PC Gaming is in one of its best moments, they want to ruin everything.
Allegedly some dev from 4A Games responded to whole situation.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/412020/discussions/0/1780513643852520184/
In short if game under performs on PC he thinks that they will skip PC next time.
Let me get this straight. First they pull the game from the biggest PC platform in the world and then say this? Are they really that stupid?
"I have a conflicting opinion about this whole shitstorm. On one hand I can see why some people will be displeased with this move. Nobody ever did something like that before, it's new to people, and as with all things new some people will be ineviatably angered. Plus, you have to install Epic launcher and it might be inconvenient for people as well.Can you translate better than Google?
I think InquisitorAles might know Russian as well so I'll tag him and ask about this comment https://www.gameru.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=71769&view=findpost&p=1648737
Not a good look from the dev if they're essentially trying to do what some did in here and state everyone unhappy/not buying, for now, is toxic. Not everyone is bloody pirating the game now because of this, don't use that as your out.
That's a cheap out and shows you aren't listening.
This bothers me too- they talked all that shit and now they want the support of PC gamers again. Thank you Epic, very cool!
"I have a conflicting opinion about this whole shitstorm. On one hand I can see why some people will be displeased with this move. Nobody ever did something like that before, it's new to people, and as with all things new some people will be ineviatably angered. Plus, you have to install Epic launcher and it might be inconvenient for people as well.
On the other hand reactions from some gamers (threats of piracy and all that) is hardly adequte. It seems like these people were looking for an excuse to spread shit and hate. So, we (developers) spent years of our life trying to create something unique, but some gamers out there think all our hard work doesn't deserve a minute of their time to install another launcher. This is their right of course, but why the hell then they're still talking about Metro. It's obvious they don't care about it. I can only say one thing, these people, they're not our fanbase. Why should I care about their opinion?
But, let's dig deeper. Some people think that if they continue to talk shit about Metro it'll make a world a better place, that it'll show to the greedy devs. I'll say this, if, hypothetically Exodus underperforms on PC, then, in the worst case scenario, the next installment will be a console exclusive. If it's for the best or worst I don't know, make your own judgement. I only know one thing, people who say shit about us are incapable of creating something great."
That's the relevant part, if needed.
"I have a conflicting opinion about this whole shitstorm. On one hand I can see why some people will be displeased with this move. Nobody ever did something like that before, it's new to people, and as with all things new some people will be ineviatably angered. Plus, you have to install Epic launcher and it might be inconvenient for people as well.
On the other hand reactions from some gamers (threats of piracy and all that) is hardly adequte. It seems like these people were looking for an excuse to spread shit and hate. So, we (developers) spent years of our life trying to create something unique, but some gamers out there think all our hard work doesn't deserve a minute of their time to install another launcher. This is their right of course, but why the hell then they're still talking about Metro. It's obvious they don't care about it. I can only say one thing, these people, they're not our fanbase. Why should I care about their opinion?
But, let's dig deeper. Some people think that if they continue to talk shit about Metro it'll make a world a better place, that it'll show to the greedy devs. I'll say this, if, hypothetically Exodus underperforms on PC, then, in the worst case scenario, the next installment will be a console exclusive. If it's for the best or worst I don't know, make your own judgement. I only know one thing, people who say shit about us are incapable of creating something great."
That's the relevant part, if needed.
I wouldn't even say the start is that great. "Plus, you have to install Epic launcher and it might be inconvenient for people as well." isn't really the fucking point, and neither is the fact that this is new to people.
It just gets worse from there.
This translation, if accurate, is far more benign than the backlash here had led me to believe.
He's 100% right. People posting threats and talking about piracy are weird. And folks who are going to boycott the game should ideally just pretend the game doesn't exist.
What does this even mean? Even when they weren't making PC games, they still kept improving the Unreal Engine platform, and engine that powers a healthy chunk of PC games.
I'm not sure why many here keep painting the picture of PC gamers as an angry collective that's all to eager to hold a grudge for perceived slights.
What does this even mean? Even when they weren't making PC games, they still kept improving the Unreal Engine platform, and engine that powers a healthy chunk of PC games.
I'm not sure why many here keep painting the picture of PC gamers as an angry collective that's all to eager to hold a grudge for perceived slights.
Why should I pretend that? I liked the first two games. Bought them on multiple platforms even (tried to play FPS on console and that was a failure on my part).This translation, if accurate, is far more benign than the backlash here had led me to believe.
He's mostly right. People posting threats and talking about piracy are weird. And folks who are going to boycott the game should ideally just pretend the game doesn't exist.
https://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/epics-mike-capps-pc-piracy-changed-our-business-model/
They shifted over to primarily focus on console development while blaming bad PC sales on piracy a number of years ago. This was Seen as a bogus excuse for many reasons.Now that the space is largely rejuvenated, they want their piece of the pie and are forcing their way into the market in a way myself and many others think is intrusive.
Pc gamers are not a hive mind and I'm not pretending to speak on your or anyone else's behalf nor am I endorsing piracy.
That's not going to overcome Steam's in built advantage from already having control of peoples libraries.
They were well and truly back in the PC development space with Fortnite. Surely you've heard of the game?
The Epic game store doesn't have anything to do with Epic game development, so I fail to see what point you guys are making.
They were well and truly back in the PC development space with Fortnite. Surely you've heard of the game?
The Epic game store doesn't have anything to do with Epic game development, so I fail to see what point you guys are making.
Why should I pretend that? I liked the first two games. Bought them on multiple platforms even (tried to play FPS on console and that was a failure on my part).
So yeah, I like the previous games, I would play the new one, but I despise the decision process and moneyhatting that happened here. So yeah, not planning to purchase this game. Maybe for under $20 if it comes to Steam in couple years.
Compare that to new Subnautica that released on both Epic and Steam that I happily picked up.
People don't mind that the game released on Epic store but the anti-consumer attitude of everyone involved is bullshit.
One single game that is also on consoles is back in the PC development?
After canceling all other games being released? Including a long standing PC franchise?
Funny how you didn't acknowledged their attack on PC gamers and calling them all pirates.
Ironically, this (nearly) perfectly describes Valve. DOTA2 was ages ago, and Artifact is a niche dud.
Fans clamor for more Half-life has gone unanswered.
I don't 'acknowledge' things that never happened. There is no universe where saying 'piracy is a big problem on PC' means 'all PC gamers are pirates'.
Let's try to argue in good faith, with facts please.
Ironically, this (nearly) perfectly describes Valve. DOTA2 was ages ago, and Artifact is a niche dud.
Fans clamor for more Half-life has gone unanswered.
Ironically, this (nearly) perfectly describes Valve. DOTA2 was ages ago, and Artifact is a niche dud.
Fans clamor for more Half-life has gone unanswered.