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Metro Exodus for PC a timed exclusive for the Epic store (Steam preorders honoured, physical copy with Epic key). [READ staff post]
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"a key allowing you to play "
Note that it doesn't say a Steam key or an EGS key...
I just went out of my way to quote it to highlight exactly that.
It's just numbers.
What's the expected return on Steam sales on day one and going forward versus the bag of money, expected sales on the EGS and expected sales on Steam post February 14th 2020.
There is some negative PR to take into account but I think most of the backlash will land on Epic's lap.
I thought so too. Launching on steam sounds like the best move in order to make the franchise bigger than what it is now with the positive reception the trailers have had so far and the goodwill from the previous games. Maybe preorders and other metrics were too bad and they thought getting a big paycheck upfront was the best course of action to mitigate the risk.
Aren't the people preordering on Steam paying the full $60?
How is it a 'dick move' when all preorders are being honored on Steam?
If they bought it today they did, yes. I don't know if the pre-order was ever discounted in Steam itself. Don't be surprised if a lot of those panic sales end up being cancelled and refunded.
That being said, the whole point of Steam is that you didn't have to buy it through Steam. You could have used any of the many key selling services and paid less.
What a dick move.
Might pick it up cheap later on steam.
Fuck Epic/ten cent.
There is no reason why this game should bot be sold on origin, steam and windows store as well as the Epic store and let the customer decide.
Might pick it up cheap later on steam.
Fuck Epic/ten cent.
There is no reason why this game should bot be sold on origin, steam and windows store as well as the Epic store and let the customer decide.
Game was cheaper for me on steam. On Epic it is 20$ more expensive.
Protip: if you're going to use alt accounts created the same day to post essentially the same message at the same time, at least try not to use the same words like "scorn". :D
That is an alarming coincidence (enough that I wonder myself), but I would point out that the start date for this message board was right around then. Your and my profiles were both created a day after those two, for example.
I'm really half joking; it's quite possible this is a coincidence. I don't know which would be funnier, though. :D
I think what makes it the most damning is the use of "scorn". It's such a weirdly specific word to use in this situation.
Great deduction, Holmes. My account and Dream-Vision's account above were also created on that same date. Gestault's was created 1 day after, just like yours.
It's almost like due to some weird coincidence all of us created an account the day the forum came online, or in your case the day after...
I felt really smart for a second when I remembered the date thing, lol
Seems like there's a bunch of extreme reactions happening on this thread which don't appear to match the perceived slight. From justifying piracy, deleting free Epic accounts, boycotting until 2020, raging in all caps, perpetuating unsubstantiated money hatting conspiracies, to panic buying the full priced Steam version today, and none of these sound like a normal reaction to a videogame switching storefronts on the same platform. These smaller developers and publishers gotta eat, so 4A/Deep Silver made a decision that makes sense for them and their bottomline and hopefully they get to keep making awesome content for the foreseeable future. No need to hate and punish a developer for trying to make ends meet in this difficult and crowded market.
Bummer that EU doesn't get that $10 discount, but hasn't Epic already stated that regional pricing is coming soon?
Bummer that EU doesn't get that $10 discount, but hasn't Epic already stated that regional pricing is coming soon?
I was this close to mentioning in my post that the creation date is the least relevant bit of information because of that (you really think I forgot the chaos of those days?) so that pedants like you didn't feel the need to point it out, but it made it considerably less funny.
Of course that doesn't explain the other, more relevant and unlikely coincidences, but hey, coincidences do happen.
Right now it seems like Metro Exodus benefited from having their Steam page up as free marketing, letting Valve's algorithms help prop it up on popular upcoming and suggestion lists, only to pull it at the last minute before release.
Now I really wonder if Valve will put something to prevent this sort of thing. Like, making developers agree that if you open pre-orders on Steam you can't sign an exclusivity deal down the track.
Now I really wonder if Valve will put something to prevent this sort of thing. Like, making developers agree that if you open pre-orders on Steam you can't sign an exclusivity deal down the track.
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LOL
Steam has literally conditioned people in this very thread into actually being upset about being able to get the game for cheaper elsewhere.
Astounding.
I would have to be insanely stupid to do that.
Same. Typically if I really want to support a dev I buy the game up front even if I do not intend to play it for a while.
This will NOT be one of those game.
Except you were previously able to get the game for even cheaper from third party stores that sold Steam keys, and the cheaper price touted for the EGL is only available for customers in the US, not all territories. Would do you a lot of good to read the thread more carefully!
Yeah that's my main issue with it. I'm fine because my stream pre-order is still here. But this should have been announced a long time ago
This is why I can't do Epic right now. I'd rather buy games on my X.
Yes, but you have to email support to get a refund. Thankfully they adopted the Steam refund system after receiving a backlash to their original plan of giving out 2 refunds a year. Not to mention the fact that an email with Epic customer support found its way to reddit by giving a customer a hassle in attempting to refund a title.
Nothing unsubstantiated about money hatting.
From a Russian-spoken podcast that Sergey Galyonkin co-hosts
"There will be (PC) games that have timed exclusivity to the EGS. Galyonkin says that Epic pays for this. "
Galyonkin is currently the Director of Publishing Strategy at Epic Games
It's been going on for 46 pages.
It's now more expensive than it's been on PC. Before this deal, we could buy it from a large number of stores that provided better deals than Epic. Also, that $10 discount is only available in certain markets (US), while being as expensive or more expensive elsewhere.
But please, tell me how we've been conditioned. I'm all ears.
well that's good. see? that's what competition is supposed to look like, no moneyhats required.
Steam had a better consumer service feature (true refunds) and Epic had to step up to match. Perfect. Everyone wins.
I'm still waiting on the consumer feature that the Epic store has that Steam does not. Keeping games away from the largest storefront on the PC ain't it.
lmao era has conditioned shitposting to a whole new degree.
mind boggling.
cheaper in the us, for me its actually 15 dollars more expensive...so i bought it on steam. cause you know, i have achievements, i can stream the game, i can take screenshots, i can upload them to a community, have a presence, put them on my profile, check the fps, SHARE IT WITH FAM or friends without steam giving a shit about it. Ya, 10 dollars cheaper in the USA with absolutely NO OTHER BENEFIT.
great argument BRO.
oh oh...and...NO CLOUD SAVES. Even GoG has cloud saves in 2019. No offline play is another one. my god, i could just go on and on about how epic shit store is so bad. but wont cause you know, you will not listen. just like you never read any of the arguments in the last 46 pages.
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They totally should, juggling four different friends lists, four different libraries and four different achievement lists is honestly such a nuisance. I will be waiting for 2020 and mayve buying it if I dont have anything else to play at the time.
Yeah, man its the Epic making them moves and must be done to compete my d00d. Gotta love these higher prices for less features, competition kicking in babyy.
Ah, thank you for this. Still not sure how this is a bad thing though. Deep Silver and 4A seem like small-ish operations in a difficult turbulent market, shouldn't we be happy they're valued by competing storefronts so much they get a bonus for a timed exclusivity deal? It's not like they took the game off the PC or anything.
They are taking a big risk with their IP and reputation by unceremoniously removing the game from the biggest storefront on PC. A game that was set to sell well as big games have been doing on Steam for quite awhile now.
Certainly nobody wishes bad news upon them, but they are sacrificing considerable sales potential on Steam and making a bet that people will buy it on Epic.
We will see in due time whether that risk and reputation hit was worth it. The damage done today may be forgotten completely in a month. Who knows.
Deep Silver is owned by THQ Nordic, who is by no means a 'small-ish operation'. 4A themselves have 150 employees, making them quite larger than a lot of other dev studios as well. But from the sounds of it, the team at 4A did not want this and it was forced upon the project by Deep Silver. This is not a small-ish studio being saved by Epic.
Also, this move effectively removed the game from the PC for people in less financially-stable markets where Valve has to adapt pricing significantly to make sales feasable for gamers in those regions - to say nothing of the countries that outright can no longer buy the game at all because EGL cannot do business there whereas Valve can.
Deep Silver is part of the THQ Nordic empire so I wouldn't say they are that small.
The thing is, we have no idea how much money Deep Silver is receiving and how much of this payoff from Epic they will share with 4AGames. 4A could take the brunt of the damage by the Metro brand getting tarnished while Deep Silver counts the money they received from Epic. Not guaranteed for certain 4A turns out well in this situation.
From what i understand they did make it unavailable to Chinese people on pc and they also don't have proper regional pricing which makes it very difficult for some regions to afford.
Huh? Good and evil are your words, not mine. Mid-tier developers appear to be struggling these days, so any edge in the market sounds like good business sense to me. Developing videogames is a business right? Seems like any sane head of studio would take Epic up on an offer of additional funds, marketing push, and access to a potentially new customer base.
I have no idea about 4A's financials (guessing neither do you), or how a move like this would actually help your sales.. you know.. removing yourself completely from the biggest marketplace on the PC while garnering quite a bit of bad publicity.. but I think Steam is bad and its gotta go. Love that people get to pay more for the game. Hopefully the... "marketing push" pays off.
Hopefully 4A has a healthy partnership with Deep Silver, and shares in the benefits of this deal. Haven't seen any evidence that Deep Silver is shady with developers.
Hasn't Epic stated that regional pricing is on the way? I remember entering and updating regional pricing for a game publisher in the past and that was a tedious pain in the butt. Weird to exclude the China market given that Epic is in part owned by a major Chinese company. A shame if that doesn't get rectified.
I will never understand this type of punitive mindset. People's (family) lives would negatively affected if your wishes came to past... over a storefront change... smh