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Metro Exodus for PC a timed exclusive for the Epic store (Steam preorders honoured, physical copy with Epic key). [READ staff post]
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The funny thing is that he's from Brazil.
So the statement is 100% false. It was 10¢ cheaper on Brazilian Steam than on Brazilian Epic
Could be anything, could be an ex-employee, could be someone having a bad day, in the end it's one guy. I'm all for calling higher ups like Tim Sweeney tweeting nonsense but can't really get mad over a random rant on a Russian forum.
I see. My understanding is that they've tried to support a lot of smaller payment methods, but some have evidently slipped through the cracks. Hopefully if gamers in Chile make enough noise Epic will notice and address the oversight.
If (big If) that dev post is true, is one more example of them handling this whole thing in the worse possible way, and I'm going to refrain from typing what I'm really thinking because it would not be... polite.
To be fair, Deep Silver raised the price of Metro in Brazil in December to... the exact same price (more or less with currency conversion) that it is now on EGS. So "it's now cheaper" is still not true.
And keep in mind the user *Guaraná is the same one that had this thread locked yesterday because it got derailed by this exact subject because he said in the op "PC is starting to set itself free from Valve ", so I don't know if I buy the "I don't know about this" routine.
To be fair, Deep Silver raised the price of Metro in Brazil in December to... the exact same price (more or less with currency conversion) that it is now on EGS. So "it's now cheaper" is still not true.
And keep in mind the user *Guaraná is the same one that had this thread locked yesterday because it got derailed by this exact subject because he said in the op "PC is starting to set itself free from Valve ", so I don't know if I buy the "I don't know about this" routine.
They are implementing regional prices mostly in US dollars. Local currencies and local payment methods are going to take longer (they do have some, but a lot less than regions for pricing now).
Honestly, maybe I'm reading way too much into it, but what rubs me the wrong way is how he phrases his post, it's almost like we owe him something. But yeah, I agree that we shouldn't crucify an entire studio even if the post has been made by one of the currently working employees.
Well here's the thing; why pay to remove it from Steam?
Release it on Epic. Offer the $50 price point. Add the regional pricing. Compete. Let the consumer decide who they want to buy from.
If Epic weren't being such dicks it'd be great having another option. But that's not what's happening at all.
There is some ambiguity around physical copies. Mainly because we've yet to lay eyes on a physical copy of Metro Exodus and one of these fabled Epic keys. (I don't think they've even been implemented in EGS yet.)
If physical copies do exist, and are produced by publishers such as Deep Silver in sufficient quantities in various regions, particularly Europe, this means the physically sourced grey market will be fed. However, Epic are nowhere near as versatile as Steam or uPlay in this regard. Ubisoft games have your typical grey market keys, typically from European physical copies. But they also have official partnerships with GMG and such. That's what the Epic Store is missing. There's a distinct lack of planning and infrastructure on Epic's part. Also a lack of clear PR.
Can you translate better than Google?
I think InquisitorAles might know Russian as well so I'll tag him and ask about this comment https://www.gameru.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=71769&view=findpost&p=1648737
Not a good look from the dev if they're essentially trying to do what some did in here and state everyone unhappy/not buying, for now, is toxic. Not everyone is bloody pirating the game now because of this, don't use that as your out.
That's a cheap out and shows you aren't listening.
Ah okay, that seems a bit better than Google and me above thinking it was claiming "everyone" will now pirate.
I mean that's always been the case, for every dev.
That's still on the level of pride and accomplishment or something. You don't do a threat/challenge like that and throw it at your userbase to see if it causes them to feel shame/regret about deciding to cancel pre-orders or not buy on Epic store.
It's literally not our fault if sales are now poor, it's your bosses or whoever made this exclusivity deal and kept it secret till 2 weeks-ish before release.
Maybe start reading this thread then or one the few other dozens that deal with EGS.
But coming in lategame into a 60+ pages thread with another awful hot take, get called out for it and then deflect it with "hurr durr im not trolling just asking question guys" is the textbook definition of trolling.
Chinese cant buy the game for 1 year now, because Epic actively blocks chinese IPs from accessing the store.
People who use Steam BPM and Community features like guides cant do it as easy as before.
People playing on Linux cant use Proton for the game and play it on Linux.
People dont have achievements on the Epic Store version.
People dont have cloud-saves on the Epic Store version.
People cant use the own community features if they have a problem/bugs.
People cant share the game with friends and family because EGS doesnt support Family Sharing.
People cant stream the game with one button click if they want.
So what will Chinese who wanted to buy it at release do? Either wait 1 year or pirate it. And for some games Chinese is the biggest market (PUBG) or at least makes 1/3rd to 1/5th of total owners (some XSeed Games, the first two Atelier titles etc.).
So no. People who pirate might have bought it if its available for good regional pricing in their region. Steam actually proved that when they introduced regional pricing because THATS the whole reason China became Steams 3rd biggest market...
Epic jumped ship in the 2000s and now that PC Gaming is in one of its best moments, they want to ruin everything.
In my defense, i did read the first 6 pages.
But I just saw people complaining. I failed to see the reason.
But, anyway, you are right.
Have the developers actually responded to why the game is cheaper in America but everyone else has to pay more?
This bothers me too- they talked all that shit and now they want the support of PC gamers again. Thank you Epic, very cool!
This makes me want to cancel my steam pre order, supporting this stupid mentality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/ame0x3/metro_dev_if_exodus_underperforms_next_game_wont/
And off we go to a sense of pride and accomplishment 2.0.
"I have a conflicting opinion about this whole shitstorm. On one hand I can see why some people will be displeased with this move. Nobody ever did something like that before, it's new to people, and as with all things new some people will be ineviatably angered. Plus, you have to install Epic launcher and it might be inconvenient for people as well.
On the other hand reactions from some gamers (threats of piracy and all that) is hardly adequte. It seems like these people were looking for an excuse to spread shit and hate. So, we (developers) spent years of our life trying to create something unique, but some gamers out there think all our hard work doesn't deserve a minute of their time to install another launcher. This is their right of course, but why the hell then they're still talking about Metro. It's obvious they don't care about it. I can only say one thing, these people, they're not our fanbase. Why should I care about their opinion?
But, let's dig deeper. Some people think that if they continue to talk shit about Metro it'll make a world a better place, that it'll show to the greedy devs. I'll say this, if, hypothetically Exodus underperforms on PC, then, in the worst case scenario, the next installment will be a console exclusive. If it's for the best or worst I don't know, make your own judgement. I only know one thing, people who say shit about us are incapable of creating something great."
That's the relevant part, if needed.
What does this even mean? Even when they weren't making PC games, they still kept improving the Unreal Engine platform, and engine that powers a healthy chunk of PC games.
I'm not sure why many here keep painting the picture of PC gamers as an angry collective that's all to eager to hold a grudge for perceived slights.
Okay starts off not bad, online translations butchered it a bit, but it doesn't end too great.
4A Games developer: If Metro Exodus does not sell on the PC, the next Metro will not come out for it
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/4a-g...e-pc-the-next-metro-will-not-come-out-for-it/
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/4a-g...e-pc-the-next-metro-will-not-come-out-for-it/
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I wouldn't even say the start is that great. "Plus, you have to install Epic launcher and it might be inconvenient for people as well." isn't really the fucking point, and neither is the fact that this is new to people.
It just gets worse from there.
It just gets worse from there.
I despise these threats where devs or publishers basically tell you "hey, we did s.th. fucky but don't you dare let it cost us any sales. Otherwise, we'll draw dumb conclusions and cease development of further titles!"
The notion that they basically purposely misinterpret the reasons for backlash and lower sales is pathetic. Of course, that sort of threat is just a farce because they'd rather keep selling and tackle the actual problem the next time around. But threats like that are easy to shout out and boy do fanboys scared of losing their precious franchise love to buy into it and perpetuate this nonsense.
The notion that they basically purposely misinterpret the reasons for backlash and lower sales is pathetic. Of course, that sort of threat is just a farce because they'd rather keep selling and tackle the actual problem the next time around. But threats like that are easy to shout out and boy do fanboys scared of losing their precious franchise love to buy into it and perpetuate this nonsense.
This translation, if accurate, is far more benign than the backlash here had led me to believe.
He's mostly right. People posting threats and talking about piracy are weird. And folks who are going to boycott the game should ideally just pretend the game doesn't exist.
I guess I more so meant it's not like the google translate version which made it sound more accusatory around piracy. They start out a bit defensive which okay I'll give them a bit of sympathy for feeling defensive around this shit-storm. But they end going way over the top and the contents of that last paragraph will get meme'd and torn to shreds.
Companies claim they want to hear feedback, especially feedback around why someone will consider buying or won't considering buying. Can't have it both ways when the feedback is negative claiming "just shutup and pretend the game/decision we made doesn't exist".
https://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/epics-mike-capps-pc-piracy-changed-our-business-model/
They shifted over to primarily focus on console development while blaming bad PC sales on piracy a number of years ago. This was Seen as a bogus excuse for many reasons.Now that the space is largely rejuvenated, they want their piece of the pie and are forcing their way into the market in a way myself and many others think is intrusive.
Pc gamers are not a hive mind and I'm not pretending to speak on your or anyone else's behalf nor am I endorsing piracy.
The translation is incorrect. The part that everyone's talking about is this:
"Но! Рассмотрим ситуацию глубже. Кто-то говорит, что мол обосрав Исход и попутно предыдущие игры серии, он тем самым сделает мир лучше, мол поставит на место жадных разработчиков. На это могу ответить, что в крайнем случае, если вообще все ПК игроки обьявят бойкот Метро, то следующее метро если и выйдет, то точно не на ПК. Лучше от этого будет или хуже, решайте сами. Мне лично будет жалко преданных фанатов, да. Но моей оценки проделаной лично мной и моими друзьями и колегами работы это не поменяет. Я твёрдо знаю, что почти все кто льёт эту грязь в сети, неспособны и на частичку того, что мы сделали и надеюсь, сделаем ещё. А значит - понятия не имеют о чём говорят. "
The correct translation is:
"But! Let's have a closer look at the situation. Some say that having shit on Exodus and the previous games of the series on the way, they will make the world better, sort of putting the greedy developers to their place. To this I can say that at worst, if every single PC player boycotts Metro, then the next metro will certainly not be on PC if it comes out. You decide if it's for the better or for the worse. Personally, yes, I would feel bad for every loyal fan. But it would not affect my evaluation of my personal work and that of my friends and colleagues. I know for sure that nearly everyone that throws this dirt online is incapable of doing even a fraction of what we have done and hopefully are yet to do. So this means that they have no idea what they're talking about."
"Но! Рассмотрим ситуацию глубже. Кто-то говорит, что мол обосрав Исход и попутно предыдущие игры серии, он тем самым сделает мир лучше, мол поставит на место жадных разработчиков. На это могу ответить, что в крайнем случае, если вообще все ПК игроки обьявят бойкот Метро, то следующее метро если и выйдет, то точно не на ПК. Лучше от этого будет или хуже, решайте сами. Мне лично будет жалко преданных фанатов, да. Но моей оценки проделаной лично мной и моими друзьями и колегами работы это не поменяет. Я твёрдо знаю, что почти все кто льёт эту грязь в сети, неспособны и на частичку того, что мы сделали и надеюсь, сделаем ещё. А значит - понятия не имеют о чём говорят. "
The correct translation is:
"But! Let's have a closer look at the situation. Some say that having shit on Exodus and the previous games of the series on the way, they will make the world better, sort of putting the greedy developers to their place. To this I can say that at worst, if every single PC player boycotts Metro, then the next metro will certainly not be on PC if it comes out. You decide if it's for the better or for the worse. Personally, yes, I would feel bad for every loyal fan. But it would not affect my evaluation of my personal work and that of my friends and colleagues. I know for sure that nearly everyone that throws this dirt online is incapable of doing even a fraction of what we have done and hopefully are yet to do. So this means that they have no idea what they're talking about."
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Seems a little weird to me, still. I'd have though that Deep Silver would be the ones to make platform decisions for future Metro games, much like it was their decision to pull the Steam release. It would not be an individual dev at 4A that would make that kind of decision. Unless this kind of thing was put out as an official studio communication, I'd not put much stock in it.
Please don't pretend ignorance, you have been in these Epic threads since from the start.
And Epic's history with PC gaming has been brought up before. It's well known they abandoned PC gaming and said the reason was piracy.
Feigning ignorance to attack PC gamers is not going to work.
Why should I pretend that? I liked the first two games. Bought them on multiple platforms even (tried to play FPS on console and that was a failure on my part).
So yeah, I like the previous games, I would play the new one, but I despise the decision process and moneyhatting that happened here. So yeah, not planning to purchase this game. Maybe for under $20 if it comes to Steam in couple years.
Compare that to new Subnautica that released on both Epic and Steam that I happily picked up.
People don't mind that the game released on Epic store but the anti-consumer attitude of everyone involved is bullshit.
They were well and truly back in the PC development space with Fortnite. Surely you've heard of the game?
The Epic game store doesn't have anything to do with Epic game development, so I fail to see what point you guys are making.
It will, because people can play the same library on the same device.
One single game that is also on consoles is back in the PC development?
After canceling all other games being released? Including a long standing PC franchise?
the Epic game development has nothing to do with the game store? So they aren't spending their fortnite money here?
Funny how you didn't acknowledged their attack on PC gamers and calling them all pirates.
And the dev is fine with this attitude! Wait until the Steam release if you must.
What he rightly calls out are the folks constantly heckling on social media, review bombing older games, posting personal threats and repeated proclamations of plans to pirate the game.
Developers are human beings. Why the faux outrage here that a dev is tired of receiving toxic abuse over a business decision made by his publisher?
Someone should make an "Epic Store problem FAQ" that we can link to every time someone comes into the thread and doesn't understand the problem.
First we have what is basically an unwillingness to support the whole thing Epic is doing. The whole idea of exclusivity deals, and especially when the games are already up on the Steam store but get yanked off from there. And Metro is the absolute worst one, since it was even up for pre-orders before the sudden switch so very close to launch.
It's not the same as announcing an upcoming game (that did not have a "shelf space" on Steam) as a store exclusive. This is more like going into a game store, pulling the game out of someone's hands and putting it on the shelf of another store with other rules.
Then we have the security problem. Yet another company you have to trust with sensitive information, and this company in particular is a huge target (due to Fortnite) and has had some huge security issues before. It's not just "installing a launcher", you have to actually buy the game too.
And then we come to the availability issues, not even being able to buy it in certain regions and not being able to use the store at all if you use Linux (an OS that Steam is supporting a lot from what I understand). In some regions you might still be able to buy it, but it is now more expensive than it was before. Some others got really good prices tho and no one really know where this will end because Epic is apparently scrambling to implement some regional pricing. But for now the pricing can be a big problem depending on where you live.
Another availability issue seems to be lack of an offline mode. To launch some games or even see your library, you and the Epic servers have to be online.
The lack of forums and reviews is a big point. People are going to the Steam forums to get help with problems in games you cannot buy on Steam (yet).
And then we come to the features, or rather the lack of them.
Some refuse to buy games without achievements, some couldn't care less. Some use the community features a whole lot (friend activity, sharing of screenshots and such) while other basically don't even know of their existence.
Controller support, cloud saves, modding. There are a bunch of stuff that are more or less important to people. The one I do not want to let go of if I have any kind of choice is Family Sharing.
Do I buy games on other stores and use other launchers? Yes, for first party exclusives that I really want. No they don't have the features I want but I can take that for these games. The prices are great (thanks to an Origin sale I just got the newest Sims 4 expansion for just over 10€) and I trust these companies.
Do I trust Epic? Nope, neither with keeping my information safe nor their ability to turn their store into something that has even the basic of features. Do I want to support their anti-consumer way of doing things? No.
I am not a Steam-only person (altho I am close to being that), I just don't want to support Epic at all.
First we have what is basically an unwillingness to support the whole thing Epic is doing. The whole idea of exclusivity deals, and especially when the games are already up on the Steam store but get yanked off from there. And Metro is the absolute worst one, since it was even up for pre-orders before the sudden switch so very close to launch.
It's not the same as announcing an upcoming game (that did not have a "shelf space" on Steam) as a store exclusive. This is more like going into a game store, pulling the game out of someone's hands and putting it on the shelf of another store with other rules.
Then we have the security problem. Yet another company you have to trust with sensitive information, and this company in particular is a huge target (due to Fortnite) and has had some huge security issues before. It's not just "installing a launcher", you have to actually buy the game too.
And then we come to the availability issues, not even being able to buy it in certain regions and not being able to use the store at all if you use Linux (an OS that Steam is supporting a lot from what I understand). In some regions you might still be able to buy it, but it is now more expensive than it was before. Some others got really good prices tho and no one really know where this will end because Epic is apparently scrambling to implement some regional pricing. But for now the pricing can be a big problem depending on where you live.
Another availability issue seems to be lack of an offline mode. To launch some games or even see your library, you and the Epic servers have to be online.
The lack of forums and reviews is a big point. People are going to the Steam forums to get help with problems in games you cannot buy on Steam (yet).
And then we come to the features, or rather the lack of them.
Some refuse to buy games without achievements, some couldn't care less. Some use the community features a whole lot (friend activity, sharing of screenshots and such) while other basically don't even know of their existence.
Controller support, cloud saves, modding. There are a bunch of stuff that are more or less important to people. The one I do not want to let go of if I have any kind of choice is Family Sharing.
Do I buy games on other stores and use other launchers? Yes, for first party exclusives that I really want. No they don't have the features I want but I can take that for these games. The prices are great (thanks to an Origin sale I just got the newest Sims 4 expansion for just over 10€) and I trust these companies.
Do I trust Epic? Nope, neither with keeping my information safe nor their ability to turn their store into something that has even the basic of features. Do I want to support their anti-consumer way of doing things? No.
I am not a Steam-only person (altho I am close to being that), I just don't want to support Epic at all.
Ironically, this (nearly) perfectly describes Valve. DOTA2 was ages ago, and Artifact is a niche dud.
Fans clamor for more Half-life has gone unanswered.
I don't 'acknowledge' things that never happened. There is no universe where saying 'piracy is a big problem on PC' means 'all PC gamers are pirates'.
Let's try to argue in good faith, with facts please.
well epic thought there weren't enough non-pirates to sell for an entire plateform.
Until they decided that they have enough money to start buying exclusive for a store with no features in 2019.
And you speaking about good faith is rich.
Also funny how you discount a game that isn't doing well but excuse Epic. Nice double standards.
Valve has still made more games on PC then Epic in the same timeframe. So your argument is specious.
valve and their platform did more than pretty much any other company to help PC gaming become as big as it is now. what are you even talking about?