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The_Strokes · May 20, 2018

Everything is falling into place for AMLO to win, yet he's blowing it by his own hand, still his followers can't see it and probably call the election a fraud when he inevitably loses.

Whatever dirt is coming out on Anaya isn't gonna be enough to take the presidency away from him, honestly. We'll see what happens in the next debate, it's such a shitshow I expect Bronco to come out with a machete and straight up threat the other candidates.

Deleted member 8583 · May 20, 2018

modoversus said:
When PRI won, did you guys also did this thing about criticizing PRI voters? Were you also worried about PRI followers? Same for PAN? Or is this just pure tribalism? Honest questions.

I do not have friends / not part of circles where you can find PRI / PAN followers. But I usually interact with Morena followers / sympathizers. With sympathizers i have no problems and you can have a nice dialog with them, but with followers, specially the die hards ones, is another story. But you can probably say the same about any die hard follower of a political party or any political movement for that matter. Actually, my worst experience was with some anarcho-communist and marxist-leninist guys that basically stalked everything I posted to tell me I was wrong and all that crap.

Deleted member 30544 · May 20, 2018

Ishida said:
Me too. But you know they'll just make endless excuses.

Whenever you criticize their messiah, their default response is "Oh yeah? How about what the PRIAN did?".

No matter what happens, they will reply with "it would have been worse with any of the others".

I'm fully ready for 6 years of non stop disaster and bullshit.

Ishida said:
I freakin hate that dumbass. But I'm not going to delude myself. He's going to win this time. Lots and lots of "give him a chance people" nowadays.

He's been absolutely destroyed in every single debate and interview. He always says he has "ideas" but he never explains how he would actually implement them. He always responds with his bullshit "we'll ask the people!" whenever he is asked HOW he will do the things he promises.

He's dumb and uneducated. His idea on how petroleum extraction works is so insane and ridiculously stupid that it blows my mind he's still ahead on the polls after spewing such obvious ignorance.

Margarita left (thank goodness). Anaya is currently under fire for his exorbitant salary. Meade is... Well... He's the old dinosaur and Bronco is... C'mon.

López will win this time. And I just hope our economy survives long enough for me to go apeshit on all of his supporters on my friend list.

norealmx said:
I'm more worried about his followers, they are the worst of the political spectrum: violent, vengeful, filled with rage because "they have been denied", and entitled above all.

Talk with any pejista and if you don't agree with them two seconds in the conversation they immediately become violent and aggressive. Give any of the many reason for not voting for el peje and you can look forward to be doxxed and stalked by these "member of the people"

Not defending AMLO , but I wonder how much of your rage is rooted in the classism and racism present in the Mexican social system created and expanded by right and the "technocrats"?

I mean I'm not a socialist , nor I think that all people should earn the same, I understand that in order to be successful I need to work hard, bring value to my work and myself in any way i can in order to make a decent living for me and my loved ones. But I'm not a fool either i don't think that I'm part of the Mexican (it is truly Mexican? )elite just because i have a big paycheck.

Not all peje supporters are like the ones you tragically portraying nor all of them are low class poor people. This election feels different in favor of Obrador because other people/families of different social status are supporting him as well. So that "his supporters blabla" argument is not really applicable in this case.

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Fercho said:
Not defending AMLO , but I wonder how much of your rage is rooted in the classism and racism present in the Mexican social system created and expanded by right and the "technocrats"?

I mean I'm not a socialist , nor I think that all people should earn the same, I understand that in order to be successful I need to work hard, bring value to my work and myself in any way i can in order to make a decent living for me and my loved ones. But I'm not a fool either i don't think that I'm part of the Mexican (it is truly Mexican? )elite just because i have a big paycheck.

Not all peje supporters are like the ones you tragically portraying nor all of them are low class poor people. This election feels different in favor of Obrador because other people/families of different social status are supporting him as well. So that "his supporters blabla" argument is not really applicable in this case.

Not in my case. For me it's absolute frustration that people are being blind to the fact that López has no actual plans on HOW he will do the things he is promising.

The man is extremely uneducated, again I will mention how he thinks petroleum is extracted. It really frustrates me that people want a guy of such low intellect and information in the presidency.

It pissed me off when it happened with Peña. And it pisses me off that it will happen again. We are about to give power to a guy whose answer to every problem is "we'll solve it with love".

Fucking wat.

El_Mau · May 20, 2018

The_Strokes said:
Everything is falling into place for AMLO to win, yet he's blowing it by his own hand, still his followers can't see it and probably call the election a fraud when he inevitably loses.

Whatever dirt is coming out on Anaya isn't gonna be enough to take the presidency away from him, honestly. We'll see what happens in the next debate, it's such a shitshow I expect Bronco to come out with a machete and straight up threat the other candidates.

I see it very hard for amlo to lose the election, unless Meade decides to leave, then it would be really interesting to see Anaya and amlo fighting for meade's votes.

At What time is the debate taking place?

norealmx · May 20, 2018

Fercho said:
Not defending AMLO , but I wonder how much of your rage is rooted in the classism and racism present in the Mexican social system created and expanded by right and the "technocrats"?

I mean I'm not a socialist , nor I think that all people should earn the same, I understand that in order to be successful I need to work hard, bring value to my work and myself in any way i can in order to make a decent living for me and my loved ones. But I'm not a fool either i don't think that I'm part of the Mexican (it is truly Mexican? )elite just because i have a big paycheck.

Not all peje supporters are like the ones you tragically portraying nor all of them are low class poor people. This election feels different in favor of Obrador because other people/families of different social status are supporting him as well. So that "his supporters blabla" argument is not really applicable in this case.

"Not all", well lucky me, apparently I have only meet the bad ones.

And no, is the same group of entitled, "kill all the heathens" arm-chair fighters. The only difference is the two main parties partied hard and the same clientele they have been pandering for so long is now feed up.

Reversed · May 20, 2018

Stream's up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYpIhHV9y4Y

EchoChamber · May 20, 2018

Expropiar banamex? No mames bronco

Cess007 · May 20, 2018

Estamos bien jodidos. Estamos pero bien jodidos

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Yet another non-response from López.

"Estoy de acuerdo".

Gee, thanks. I guess.

EchoChamber · May 20, 2018

Contesta la puta pregunta peje.

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

What I wouldn't give to see a fistfight between López and Anaya right now.

The_Strokes · May 20, 2018

Jesus, this Anaya vs AMLO feud is getting out of hand.

Deleted member 30544 · May 20, 2018

Anaya is having a blast xD the cheeky fucker.

mreddie · May 20, 2018

So my parents visited Nogales for a bit and they saw the election stuff in full fever only everyone feels dread about it there according to my mom. I assume all these candidates suck?

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Did you guys hear López's response to the border security question?

Basically "there shouldn't be thieves".

Is this guy for real?

And Rodríguez fueling the dumbass "mochar manos" meme.

The_Strokes · May 20, 2018

Hahaha, what is this debate.

Reversed · May 20, 2018

Worse than 2016's debate

Cess007 · May 20, 2018

I hoped this debate to be better than the first one. I never expected it to be abysmally worse.

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Anaya is going in circles with the drug legalization question.

Cess007 · May 20, 2018

Obrador, the National Institute of Migration already exist. It already have offices in Tijuana and Mexicali. the hell are you talking about?

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Cess007 said:
Obrador, the National Institute of Migration already exist. It already have offices in Tijuana and Mexicali. the hell are you talking about?

Take a wild guess.

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Anaya's bag will become a meme, right?

celigio · May 20, 2018

I don't know why I was expecting this to be good...

Deleted member 4869 · May 20, 2018

Absolute non-answer from Anaya regarding the Dreamer support. He's just rambling.

Cess007 · May 20, 2018

Ishida said:
Take a wild guess.

Worse thing, how the hell moving it to Tijuana (where it already have offices) would help the abuse immigrants suffer in our the south border? Frigging nonsense

Deleted member 4869 · May 21, 2018

Cess007 said:
Worse thing, how the hell moving it to Tijuana (where it already have offices) would help the abuse immigrants suffer our the south border? Frigging nonsense

I love that he said that there was a reason for that.

And then didn't give the reason...

EchoChamber · May 21, 2018

Ricky riquin canayin jajaja

BronzeWolf · May 21, 2018

I am done with AMLO...

Cess007 · May 21, 2018

"Ricky riquin canayin"

Is this the level of this debate? Is this the level of discourse of the politics in our country? Fuck me.

celigio · May 21, 2018

van a dejar sin trabajo a los de "El privilegio de mandar" estos payasos

Deleted member 4869 · May 21, 2018

"Ricky Riquín Canallin".

What is this? A kindergarten fight?

Also Rodríguez with his "have you noticed how I'm not being attacked?"

Well yes. Because nobody gives two shits about you. You punch up, not down.

El_Mau · May 21, 2018

Oh my God these guys. . . .

Reversed · May 21, 2018

Cess007 · May 21, 2018

I've the feeling all this debate have being counter-productive. The idea that this debates are for the people yet to decide it's vote, however I don't feel any of those people can get anything productive of this shitshow.

Deleted member 4869 · May 21, 2018

Cess007 said:
I've the feeling all this debate have being counter-productive. The idea that this debates are for the people yet to decide it's vote, however I don't feel any of those people can get anything productive of this shitshow.

If anything this debate will cause more and more people to null their vote or just don't vote at all.

Cess007 · May 21, 2018

god, why the hell is the Bronco still talking. It's a fucking joke. god, please. Stop this

RM8 · May 21, 2018

I already came to terms with the fact that Peje is going to win, but I cringe whenever he tries to speak. It's not only the fact that he basically doesn't say anything, and never answers anything, but also how he downright struggles to form a sentence.

celigio · May 21, 2018

Ishida said:
If anything this debate will cause more and more people to null their vote or just don't vote at all.

At least for me, I'm more convinced to do that after watching this circus

Cess007 · May 21, 2018

Ishida said:
If anything this debate will cause more and more people to null their vote or just don't vote at all.

Yep. I'm so tempted to null my vote after watching this two debates.

Reversed · May 21, 2018

Worse than the previous debate, since they all have weak proposals for the bilateral relations and didn't neglect to start catfighting. :(

Deleted member 8583 · May 21, 2018

Really bad debate, honestly that fight between Anaya / AMLO about figures is so tiresome. Specially when you can verify them and see both candidates are lying and using them to their favor.

Sr Kitsune · May 21, 2018

celigio said:
At least for me, I'm more convinced to do that after watching this circus

Cess007 said:
Yep. I'm so tempted to null my vote after watching this two debates.

Do not vote your votes, that is like the worst thing you could do (besides not voting at all). I know no candidate will fully represent you but vote for the one that represent you at least in one issue.

Not voting or nulling your vote will only give more power to the party/candidate you dislike the most because of how congress is formed. Our election system for congress is good, but it assumes the people will participate and vote for someone that represents them the most (even if "most" is only 1 issue)

2Blackcats · May 21, 2018

Speaking of the election, I remember about 2 years ago that the corner shop and taco place near stopped selling beer for a day or two.

Someone told me it was because of elections.

Is that true or were they yanking my chain ?

Also, someone was asking about a game store earlier in the thread,
Camelot Games
Coahuila 204, Cuauhtémoc, 06700 Ciudad de México, CDMX
01 55 5564 7036

https://goo.gl/maps/aSud2vUMFxG2

That was one of the ones I was talking about.

Cess007 · May 21, 2018

Sr Kitsune said:
Do not vote your votes, that is like the worst thing you could do (besides not voting at all). I know no candidate will fully represent you but vote for the one that represent you at least in one issue.

Not voting or nulling your vote will only give more power to the party/candidate you dislike the most because of how congress is formed. Our election system for congress is good, but it assumes the people will participate and vote for someone that represents them the most (even if "most" is only 1 issue)

I would never null my vote, but I can't fault anyone if tthey do it after this awful debates.

2Blackcats said:
Speaking of the election, I remember about 2 years ago that the corner shop and taco place near stopped selling beer for a day or two.

Someone told me it was because of elections.

Is that true or were they yanking my chain ?

Also, someone was asking about a game store earlier in the thread,
Camelot Games
Coahuila 204, Cuauhtémoc, 06700 Ciudad de México, CDMX
01 55 5564 7036

https://goo.gl/maps/aSud2vUMFxG2

That was one of the ones I was talking about.

It's true. It's called "Ley Seca", all stores in the country (I think it's a national thing) are banned for selling any alcoholic beverage 24hrs prior to the election day. The idea is that anyone who votes, has total understanding of his/her vote.

2Blackcats · May 21, 2018

Cess007 said:
It's true. It's called "Ley Seca", all stores in the country (I think it's a national thing) are banned for selling any alcoholic beverage 24hrs prior to the election day. The idea is that anyone who votes, has total understanding of his/her vote.

Wow, that's amazing. Not voting because of a bad hangover would be out too. There'd be riots if we tried that in Ireland though .

Cess007 · May 21, 2018

2Blackcats said:
Wow, that's amazing. Not voting because of a bad hangover would be out too. There'd be riots if we tried that in Ireland though .

The law is super-old, like 100 years if I remember right. BTW, I checked and seems that the law is no longer enforced nationally, but each state has the right to enforce it if they desire. In some states the law is enforced 48hrs prior election day, others 24 and others only the day. It seems that in tourist sites the law is enforced but Hotels and restaurants are allowed to sell alcohol only if it's accompanied with food.

Here's some info if you are curious: https://www.tripsavvy.com/what-is-ley-seca-1588853

2Blackcats · May 21, 2018

Cess007 said:
The law is super-old, like 100 years if I remember right. BTW, I checked and seems that the law is no longer enforced nationally, but each state has the right to enforce it if they desire. In some states the law is enforced 48hrs prior election day, others 24 and others only the day. It seems that in tourist sites the law is enforced but Hotels and restaurants are allowed to sell alcohol only if it's accompanied with food.

Here's some info if you are curious: https://www.tripsavvy.com/what-is-ley-seca-1588853

That's interesting. I wonder how effective it is. Until last year in Ireland the sale of alcohol was prohibited on Good Friday. Was always a big party day though, some 9f the best parties I've been to were on Good Friday.

Now the only day alcohol isn't sold is Christmas day.

Deleted member 11008 · May 21, 2018

Cess007 said:
Estamos bien jodidos. Estamos pero bien jodidos

Whoever wins, we lose.

Iva Demilcol · May 22, 2018

I did null my vote in the last two elections. I am still convinced there's no one that represents me or can do a proper job that benefits us all but this time I think I've decided already who'll get my vote. The right wing has continuosly fucked the country up, I'm not convinced that the left would do better to be honest and I'm pretty sure that all those barks Obrador does to gain supporters can't be enforced, reallistically it would take him more than half of his period to even try to revert one or two of the decisions made during this administration so I'm willing to give his party the benefit of the doubt this time. Am I wrong? well, that's debatable, dude in the second place is no better and comes from a party that provoked the escalation of the violence the whole country faces right now; Meade has no real posibilities of winning (and I wouldn't vote for him anyways).

Obrador is like Trump: he's telling people only what they want to hear but his party won't get the majority needed to let him do as he pleases, they'll have to talk and reach agreements with the other parties.

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