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Deleted member 25606

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Ok, I just did this - I asked four people who are unaware of who she is the following questions:

1.) ok, if you saw this woman *shows picture of the twitter posts from the OP*, what would you think is her job?

Man 1: "Porn star"

Man 2: " Looks like the beginning of a Brazzers scene"

Woman 1: "Whoa, porn."

Woman 2: "Model, but she's dressed like it's a porn scene"

2.) If you were a former porn star and you were doing on-camera interviews and specifically did not want to me known as a former porn star, would you dress that way?

Man 1: "probably not. She knows what she's doing"

Man 2: "hahaha"

Woman 1: "She should probably wear a blouse. That's just a bra and jacket."

Woman 2: "It doesn't matter, she's hot."

*had no idea how to reply to that*

I dunno, maybe you could ask some people you know those questions, see what you come up with.

I definitely love her outfit, personally. She's pretty and knows how flaunt it, but as someone who is supposedly trying to leave that part of herself behind..well, I'll leave it at that.

On top of that, her website is still up and fully functional, scenes and all. Doesn't she own and operate that?
Your really going to keep digging this particular hole? Not a good look.
 

neon_dream

Member
Dec 18, 2017
3,644
The onus is on her for how she negotiated her contract.

The industry preys on young girls who aren't exactly experienced enough to pull off masterful contract negotiations.

I don't have the knowledge to answer that question, but I suspect giving every new actor/actress royalties would likely kill the profitability of the industry. But I don't know much regarding the profit margins and business models of the adult industry to really have an answer.

Won't someone think of... the porn industry?

Ethical police
Ethical politics
Ethical gun laws
Ethical food practices
Ethical land management
Ethical video game practices
Ethical Porn? Fuck that, not needed. Negotiate better.
 

Bacon

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Oct 26, 2017
1,630
Ok, I just did this - I asked four people who are unaware of who she is the following questions:

1.) ok, if you saw this woman *shows picture of the twitter posts from the OP*, what would you think is her job?

Man 1: "Porn star"

Man 2: " Looks like the beginning of a Brazzers scene"

Woman 1: "Whoa, porn."

Woman 2: "Model, but she's dressed like it's a porn scene"

2.) If you were a former porn star and you were doing on-camera interviews and specifically did not want to me known as a former porn star, would you dress that way?

Man 1: "probably not. She knows what she's doing"

Man 2: "hahaha"

Woman 1: "She should probably wear a blouse. That's just a bra and jacket."

Woman 2: "It doesn't matter, she's hot."

*had no idea how to reply to that*

I dunno, maybe you could ask some people you know those questions, see what you come up with.

I definitely love her outfit, personally. She's pretty and knows how flaunt it, but as someone who is supposedly trying to leave that part of herself behind..well, I'll leave it at that.

On top of that, her website is still up and fully functional, scenes and all. Doesn't she own and operate that?

Ah yes, 4 people living in 2019 who have never heard of Mia Khalifa. Seems like an extremely real story that definitely happened.
 

Trup1aya

Literally a train safety expert
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Oct 25, 2017
21,356
The onus is on her for how she negotiated her contract. Given she was in the industry for ~3 months, and frankly didn't really blow up until her Hijab video that was at the tail of her career, I'm not surprised that's all she made. She was a new performer in an international industry comprised of thousands of entertainers, whose fame exploded long after she'd quit porn. Her initial leverage would have been horrible, and she probably started working for peanuts like many businesses do while they hope to gain exposure/clients/momentum.

Right the onus is in the person who is being exploited to understand the ins and outs of a massive industry. Companies have no obligation to do right by the people they employ. THAT is the problem, don't you see that? The fact that an entertainer needs "leverage" (I.e. Previously Work for pennies on a successful project that makes someone else a lot of $ ) before they can negotiate for fair compensation is inherently fucked up when EVERYONE'S risk can be mitigated through royalty agreements.
 

Androidsleeps

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Oct 27, 2017
4,595
I mean a quick google shows her net worth is 2 million dollars or more. I know google results etc can be stupid, but this is sensationalist as fuck in order to increase her value again by getting her name out there. Is porn exploitative? absolutely, but it's absolutely possible to make fucking bank doing it as well.

I have no doubt it affects your hireability in some ways, but she's also not going and trying to get a 9-5 like the clickbait headline would kind of frame it, she's an influencer and is living a pretty good life, she's talking about opportunities she never would've had in the first place if not for the fame that porn brought her (mainstream acting roles, etc, which are possible but I'm sure harder as that kind of actress, look at Sasha Grey or traci lords though - they did the same thing, leverage their fame into more mainstream popularity, even if niche in some ways still).
These google celebrity net worth numbers are mostly bullshit. I'm sure her popularity helped her in making money outside of porn but that 2 million number can't be real, it's not like big brands would sponsor a former pornstar.
 

BossAttack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
42,978
The industry preys on young girls who aren't exactly experienced enough to pull off masterful contract negotiations.



Won't someone think of... the porn industry?

Ethical police
Ethical politics
Ethical gun laws
Ethical food practices
Ethical land management
Ethical video game practices
Ethical Porn? Fuck that, not needed. Negotiate better.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, if there is no money to be made in the adult industry then it won't exist. It's hard to demand performers receive royalties when you have no clue as towards the business model or profit margins of the industry.
 
Oct 27, 2017
42,700
Wasn't she only there for 3 months and maybe a handful of scenes? She most the most popular yes, but for a minute

I do wonder how much money the industry actually makes considering unlike normal films (I assume) the vast majority of people don't pay to watch and it's almost entirely propped up by ad revenue
 

whytemyke

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
3,786
I think the bigger lesson to be learned is if you're going to go into porn, make sure you're willing to commit to it. $12k isn't bad for the work she did and time put in, but it sucks A LOT insofar as ruining most of your career and dating options after that.
 

alr1ght

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,050
Ok, I just did this - I asked four people who are unaware of who she is the following questions:

1.) ok, if you saw this woman *shows picture of the twitter posts from the OP*, what would you think is her job?

Man 1: "Porn star"

Man 2: " Looks like the beginning of a Brazzers scene"

Woman 1: "Whoa, porn."

Woman 2: "Model, but she's dressed like it's a porn scene"

2.) If you were a former porn star and you were doing on-camera interviews and specifically did not want to me known as a former porn star, would you dress that way?

Man 1: "probably not. She knows what she's doing"

Man 2: "hahaha"

Woman 1: "She should probably wear a blouse. That's just a bra and jacket."

Woman 2: "It doesn't matter, she's hot."

*had no idea how to reply to that*

I dunno, maybe you could ask some people you know those questions, see what you come up with.

I definitely love her outfit, personally. She's pretty and knows how flaunt it, but as someone who is supposedly trying to leave that part of herself behind..well, I'll leave it at that.

On top of that, her website is still up and fully functional, scenes and all. Doesn't she own and operate that?
They all know who she is. 😉
 
Oct 30, 2017
15,278
She does deserve some form of royalties considering how popular she is across numerous porn sites. She made a pretty big impact regardless of the quality of the scenes. She should be paid likewise.
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
18,827
Need to regulate an industry that does shit like this. She should be bank rolling for her success.
 

Mars

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Oct 25, 2017
1,988
That's rough in the context of how her popularity spiked after her departure and of course, no royalties for these actors is a crime, but... that's also a much better deal than most other amateur actors are compensated, especially in that short amount of time. I did watch the interview she did recently -- my question is why does she still use her stage name? ...If I recall correctly, she at one point (or still does) hate when people reference her past career choice (and use it against her which is fucked up in itself), talked about it on a podcast some time ago as well. Keeping the moniker you used in porn kind of comes off like you're trying to use the popularity/fame it accrued but don't want to acknowledge the history it comes with? kind of conflicted on that one. Either own it or.. stop using it. I mean.
 

Kyrios

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Oct 27, 2017
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Didn't she only do like three scenes or something over a very short period? By the time she was well known she was already retired. Not that I'm saying she wasn't exploited.

A lot of people were under the impression that she was in the industry for years, but it actually only spanned 3 months and she didn't get super popular until after she exited the industry.

I'm half-surprised/half-not surprised that she didn't get any royalties, but I guess the industry tries to avoid that because of free streaming and constant re-distribution.
 

Dyno

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
13,275
In a way it makes sense. If I remember correctly she filmed everything over the course of a few months and had left the industry before her films had reached the web. I imagine if she had been in the industry when her reputation had began to develop she would have been able to negotiate much better pay.

Not that this negates the predatory nature of how these initial contracts are handled at all either.
 

SnatcherHunter

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
13,495
Damn.
12K is def not worth all the crap she's going through now.

TBH, if she ever decides to come back, she can make a HUGE payday.
 

Trup1aya

Literally a train safety expert
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Oct 25, 2017
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That's rough in the context of how her popularity spiked after her departure and of course, no royalties for these actors is a crime, but... that's also a much better deal than most other amateur actors are compensated, especially in that short amount of time. I did watch the interview she did recently -- my question is why does she still use her stage name? ...If I recall correctly, she at one point (or still does) hate when people reference her past career choice (and use it against her which is fucked up in itself), talked about it on a podcast some time ago as well. Keeping the moniker you used in porn kind of comes off like you're trying to use the popularity/fame it accrued but don't want to acknowledge the history it comes with? kind of conflicted on that one. Either own it or.. stop using it. I mean.

Her stage name is really the main thing of value she obtained through her time in the industry.

I could only see sense in dropping it if she was otherwise well compensated.

Also, let's be honest, even if she went by a different name, she'd be recognized.
 

gogosox82

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well 12k for 2 or 3 months of work doesn't sound that bad. If you strech that out over a year that is like 150k for the year. Not millions, but not bad either. I will say that she should get a cut of the steaming or dvd sales tho but I guess that's the way porn works. I guess you have to set up your own company and do your own shoots.
 

Shingi_70

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dan Thunder

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Nov 2, 2017
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They all know who she is. 😉

Man 1 & Man 2, "Pornography you say. What is this pornography you talk of?"

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softfocus

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'd imagine royalties in porn are pretty much don't exist unless you're a top 30 star. So yeah that sucks but you probably wouldn't get much anyway because they pay you upfront, most of them and usually that's the reason people go into porn. It's not like people do it as an investment.
In this day and age of streaming free porn, I can't see that changing. You need to create your own channel and a onlyfans, exploit those whales and get the dollar while you can.
 

Mars

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Oct 25, 2017
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Her stage name is really the main thing of value she obtained through her time in the industry.

I could only see sense in dropping it if she was otherwise well compensated.

Also, let's be honest, even if she went by a different name, she'd be recognized.

But that's my thing, take it and run with it and stop getting upset when someone comes and smacks it out your hand. It's a name she is clearly trying to build a brand and/or recognition around -- and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It'd be a different story if she dropped it and folks were harping on her for it.
 

Shingi_70

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Oct 25, 2017
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Need to regulate an industry that does shit like this. She should be bank rolling for her success.

She is too some degree, the site having her name and likeness is really weird since she's not getting paid for it. But even now she could be rolling in even more money but she's clearly at this cross roads. She's wants to be porn adjacent by using the same name and having a sexy Pateron.

Her name , fame, and social media reach is big enough that is she started Manyvids/clips4sale camming and videos/onlyfans she's pull in six figures easily. On top of that her name and branding is popular enough to support her own production company.
 

1.21Gigawatts

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Oct 25, 2017
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Munich
She worked in porn for three months, getting $12.000 out of that sounds pretty good especially because she wasn't famous at all then.
I don't know what the short time span and initial lack of fame has to do with this.

Considering that her scenes have since then made millions upon millions of dollars, someone made bank and it wasn't her, even though it should have been her.
 

Shingi_70

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Oct 25, 2017
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But that's my thing, take it and run with it and stop getting upset when someone comes and smacks it out your hand. It's a name she is clearly trying to build a brand and/or recognition around -- and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It'd be a different story if she dropped it and folks were harping on her for it.

It's her blessing and curse that's she's so high profile, but it's mostly her own personal issues she needs to get over.

I think of Jessie Andrews who was in the industry for much longer than Mia (5 years) and did way more hardcore gonzo stuff, but she got out and used her fame to start a successful fashion line that does pretty well on Shopify.

That said Andrews had a pretty big female fanbase and was a crossover star, while Khalila was really only popular with dudes so still a bit different.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not really worth the damage to reputation though when you're trying to build a career after porn.
Regardless of how much you're paid, reputation damage is something literally everyone must be aware of before they enter porn. I don't see how pornstars are entitled to additional compensation for taking that risk. They already get paid a lot per hour precisely because of the nature of their work.
 

Ninjadom

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know what the short time span and initial lack of fame has to do with this.

Considering that her scenes have since then made millions upon millions of dollars, someone made bank and it wasn't her, even though it should have been her.

Dunno man...I think she did well.

There are so many industries where the company you work for profits so well off what the employee did. I worked in phone sales for a famous mobile network and got paid purely off the sale of the mobile phone. Doesn't matter that the customer may rack up a £3000 phone bill in 2 months time. I don't see any of that £3000. It all goes to the company, even though it was me that brought the customer to the network.

Most media industries, and others that aren't media related...if you haven't got a royalty clause/scheme then you could lose out on lots of cash.
 

1.21Gigawatts

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dunno man...I think she did well.

There are so many industries where the company you work for profits so well off what the employee did. I worked in phone sales for a famous mobile network and got paid purely off the sale of the mobile phone. Doesn't matter that the customer may rack up a £3000 phone bill in 2 months time. I don't see any of that £3000. It all goes to the company, even though it was me that brought the customer to the network.

Most media industries, and others that aren't media related...if you haven't got a royalty clause/scheme then you could lose out on lots of cash.

This is porn, she was literally the lead actor in these movies.
Her not having a royalty clause means that she is getting ripped off.
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
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That is abysmal, considering that she is one of the most well-known adult film actors. It just goes to show how exploitative the pornographic industry can be and how sex workers can often be undervalued for their work.

Actually
A lot of people were under the impression that she was in the industry for years, but it actually only spanned 3 months and she didn't get super popular until after she exited the industry.

I'm half-surprised/half-not surprised that she didn't get any royalties, but I guess the industry tries to avoid that because of free streaming and constant re-distribution.

Those free to play websites still generate money though I wonder how much they get per visit compared to a non porn site that isn't as aggressive with forcing you to click their ads.
 

Kurdel

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Nov 7, 2017
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We live in a patriarchal culture that treats women and sex workers like shit.

More than a few posts in here are revolting, but nothing of what I read surprised me.
 

Fonst

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Nov 16, 2017
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Not really worth the damage to reputation though when you're trying to build a career after porn.

Damage to her reputation by using the same show name, maintaining a website for all her adult movies, and still doing/did adult webcam content after leaving the industry? At one point I thought she said she was keeping a sex blog with her guy/bf/fiance but maybe I misunderstood that.

Unveiling bad parts of the adult industry is great but don't kid yourself to think that porn has damaged her career when she is using it unabashedly to promote herself. If it wasn't for porn and her 2.3 million Twitter followers when she left the industry, she wouldn't be where she is now.
 

water_wendi

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Oct 25, 2017
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im kind of curious as to how much the men in those scenes got paid.

She did 12 scenes over a 3 month period, and her popularity started to skyrocket in the latter part of that.

$1000 per video for a newcomer doesn't seem too bad, but zero royalties is fucking terrible. I know it's fairly common, but it's still shit.
i was going to ask how many years was she in for but it was only a brief time then?
 

LakeEarth

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Oct 27, 2017
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The pay is understandable. If she stuck around after she blew up, I'm sure she could've gotten that much money for a scene or two (I base that on absolutely nothing though).

The lack of royalties is awful though. The fact that there is still a website with her "name" on it that is still active but she has no control over and gets no money from is fucking bullshit. I don't know how that can be legal, contract or no.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know what the short time span and initial lack of fame has to do with this.

Considering that her scenes have since then made millions upon millions of dollars, someone made bank and it wasn't her, even though it should have been her.
She is free to continue doing porn in order to capitalize on her popularity.

It's unlucky that she became so popular after the fact, but I'm not sure there is a solution to that problem other than unrealistically generous contracts offered to complete newcomers in the business. From a business perspective that's not going to happen without outside pressure. Are there any unions in porn for performers?
 

Fevaweva

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Oct 30, 2017
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That's not how it works in the film industry. If you do anything other than extra work, stand in, or photo double work you get residuals.

Really? Damn I had no idea. I thought actors got paid an upfront fee and then maybe a percentage of the box office/physical media sales if they had enough pull. You learn something new every day.
 

The Cellar Letters

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Oct 25, 2017
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Really? Damn I had no idea. I thought actors got paid an upfront fee and then maybe a percentage of the box office/physical media sales if they had enough pull. You learn something new every day.
Don't get me wrong, the big leaguers definitely make more, but the people with single lines and stuff like that still get some money back in residuals.
I did a lifetime movie a few years ago and every now and then I'll get a check for like $15 lol
 

Geoff

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Oct 27, 2017
7,115
I don't know what the short time span and initial lack of fame has to do with this.

Considering that her scenes have since then made millions upon millions of dollars, someone made bank and it wasn't her, even though it should have been her.

Doesn't the vast majority of money coming into porn go straight to the canadian company that owns all the tube sites? The actual producers don't get that much, never mind the performers.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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For a new person in an industry, $12,000/3 or 4 months doesn't seem that bad. I think her fame came after she had stopped working.

Still it also points out how fucked up the porn monopoly on websites is .. Like, I'm sure her videos are still getting millions of views a month across PornHubs galaxy of sites, and she doesn't seem a dime of revenue from that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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For a new person in an industry, $12,000/3 or 4 months doesn't seem that bad. I think her fame came after she had stopped working.

Still it also points out how fucked up the porn monopoly on websites is .. Like, I'm sure her videos are still getting millions of views a month across PornHubs galaxy of sites, and she doesn't seem a dime of revenue from that.
Makes me wonder what the racial break down is for porn actress pay checks. She probably made more than Jandi Lin and Nautica Thorn and probably slightly less than what a Riley Reid or Abella Danger would command.
 

NippleViking

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May 2, 2018
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The industry preys on young girls who aren't exactly experienced enough to pull off masterful contract negotiations.
Right the onus is in the person who is being exploited to understand the ins and outs of a massive industry. Companies have no obligation to do right by the people they employ. THAT is the problem, don't you see that? The fact that an entertainer needs "leverage" (I.e. Previously Work for pennies on a successful project that makes someone else a lot of $ ) before they can negotiate for fair compensation is inherently fucked up when EVERYONE'S risk can be mitigated through royalty agreements.
The porn industry is obviously horrific and exploitative, but nothing about Mia's experience here seems unfair: she made $12,000 for 3/4 months in a newcomer, and did 15 scenes at most. This is the reality of most occupations, where people start on breadcrumbs and progress from there. And its especially so for the entertainment industry (including porn) where success can vary so dramatically, with one person earning pennies whilst another is making millions annually. For 99% of entertainers, they likely won't become the next big thing, and so maximising their payment upfront at the expense of royalties is likely a shrewd business decision.

Mia's case is also super anomalous in that she exploded unlike any pornstar before her, her popularity boomed after she'd retired, and as she only had a limited number of scenes each scene is extremely valuable. She couldn't have anticipated that her Hijab video would become perhaps the single most viewed porn video in history. At the time negotiating for royalties likely wasn't even a consideration.
 
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Falchion

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sure she was paid a flat rate and you'd have to stay in the industry a while to really blow up and start raking in more. If she went back into it now, I'm sure she'd be able to cash in.