Miami, Philly and Chicago Era...remember WBFS TV 33, WGBS Philly 57 and WGBO Super 66?! Come on into this thread!

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Hi everyone!

I’m pretty leary and apprehensive about posting these days but I did think of a good topic that should be a nostalgia trip for some of Chicago, Philly, and Miami Era! I hope this will be a fun topic that I hope as many people as possible who remember these TV stations will post in! Please share your memories of the stations and better yet any behind the scenes/inner workings type stuff you’ve got! I want to make this OP informative and put some effort into it. First I’ll write a little about the history of these three stations and then I’ll TRY to link to some YouTube videos of bumpers, promos and commercials from each of the three stations! If any of my info in the history section is wrong or I botch it somehow PLEASE let me know and I’ll happily correct it! I’m in Chicago so I’ve got far more knowledge on WGBO than I do WBFS and WGBS but I’ve been going down a huge rabbit hole of stuff this week on all three stations so I wanted to recognize all three in this thread! If the YouTube links cause your browser to go crazy at least temporarily turn off the show YouTube thumbnail option, just wanted to be considerate and warn of that!

History of WGBO, WGBS and WFBS..I’ll be jumping around a bit in this section so I apologize!

In the mid 1980’s, Milton Grant set out to start up a group of Independent TV stations that he hoped would become his own Super Stations like TBS did. The markets he chose to start out in were Miami, Philly, and Chicago in that order chronologically. In 1984 Grant bought what was then a low power translator for what was at the time WCIX, an independent. I can’t find any info saying how much Grant paid for it. In early December 1984 Grant launched his newly bought station which got the call letters WBFS. It was launched as a brand new Independent station that ran a lot of sitcoms that were in syndication, movies, cartoons, some Westerns and later was the home to all the professional Miami sports teams! At one point, and I’m not sure if it was just before the sale to Grant, if you were in Broward County you couldn’t get channel 33 well due to it’s transmitter being all the way down in Homestead! Their transmitter was much further away from the rest of the Miami stations’ transmitters due to needing to prevent signal interference from WPTV in West Palm Beach and what is now WKMG in Orlando.

In March of ‘85, Grant picked up his second station, WWSG at the time. In late October the station was re-launched as WGBS Philly 57, airing much of the same kinds of shows as WBFS in Miami. They also later picked up some of the Pro Philly sports teams. It served the entire Philly area but from what I’ve read a few of the nearby New Jersey suburbs couldn’t get it on their cable systems since those cable carriers either didn’t have interest in or didn’t want to carry WGBS on their systems!

Then came Grant picking up at the time WFBN channel 66. This section will be longer than the other two stations since it’s got a more complicated history and it’s...honestly fascinating. WFBN launched in 1981, first owned by Focus Broadcasting. In the beginning it aired public access type stuff during the day and at night the Spectrum Subscription service. Then they shifted to Spectrum 24 hours a day in ‘82. In ‘83 Spectrum ended up having the same schedule as competing subscription service ON TV. ON was “affiliated” with WSNS channel 44 here. The history of WSNS, ON TV and the train wreck fiasco demise of ON is an extremely interesting, intriguing, much longer story that’d be too long to get into here. In early ‘84, WFBN dropped Spectrum and tried a 24 hour a day over the air music video format. In the Fall they dropped the music video format and transitioned into being a traditional Independent, airing a lot of old movies, off network sitcoms, and some drama series too. They picked up the scraps WGN and WFLD didn’t want. The station was losing money by this point so in Summer ‘85 Focus our WFBN up for sale. They sold a 50 prevent interest in the station to Grant in September that year for 2 million dollars plus forgave or refinanced some of the station’s estimated 50 million (!!) dollars of debt! Plus, there was an option for Grant to purchase the other 50 percent by 1990 for 25 million minimum if exercised the first year and minimum of 40 million if exercised the 5th year. Creditors that WFBN was in debt to allowed the station to continue operating on the condition they requested the FCC to expedite the sale to Grant since they were expecting to totally collapse. The sale to Grant hit a major snag when Metrowest, then owners of WPWR channel 50 filed a petition to deny the sale to Grant, accusing them of stifling competition in the Chicago market. The petition was denied. So out of the gate, Grant had a FAR more complicated, much messier situation in Chicago before even launching! On January 4, 1986 Grant finally did launch Super 66 here, changing the call letters to WGBO. In the beginning they were airing basically what they were as WFBN and added a few more off network sitcoms, some cartoons, and some more Westerns. They also aired daily simulcasts of CNN headline news and Loyola Ramblers College basketball games too!

The thing that stood out about the three Grant stations, as you’ll see in the YouTube videos is they had really impressive, well done on air look that was near network quality! They also personalized each of the three stations for the markets they served! I really liked that. I also loved the jingle/music packages they used for the stations as well!

The Miami and Philly stations were hugely successful for those markets! Especially WBFS, who got really strong ratings and at one time or another ran just about every big off network sitcom you could name! Later they got a HUGE boost when they acquired rights to air Dolphins, Marlins, and South Florida college sports games! It left that market stunned with those acquisitions! WBFS was pretty much Miami’s WPWR, WFLD and WCIU all slammed into one. It was BIG. Even after Grant filed for bankruptcy and Combined bought the 3 stations WBFS continued to do phenomenally. I’m floored speechless at what WBFS in particular accomplished.

Later came the fall of Grant Broadcasting, and it fell HARD. Through ‘86, Grant was spending a LOT of money, a shit ton of it to acquire whatever they could for all three stations. They boxed themselves in, having badly over extended themselves with no easy or clean way out so in December that year they filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. In March ‘87, a Philadelphia judge allowed the three Grant stations to keep operating until at least July through cash and accounts receivables to fund operations. But in July, Grant agreed to give all three stations up to their creditors, who formed Combined Broadcasting. The terms of this deal stated the three stations would be allowed to stay on the air until 1995 so they could repay the 420 million dollars -yikes! of debt the three stations ran up! At that point all three would be sold off.

In early ‘94, the three stations began to search for new owners. WBFS and WGBS sold to Paramount and became affiliates of the brand new UPN network without incident, those transfers went really smoothly and since UPN didn’t have many hours of stuff in the beginning they were able to keep doing what they’d been with little change. Later, WGBS changed it’s call letters to what they are now, WPSG and became a CW affiliate. Today it’s CW Philly 57. WBFS has kept its call letters..they became a My Network Affiliate and work close with CBS Miami now. Here in Chicago though, again, things got nasty messy even with that! At first, the WB network which was about to premiere in ‘95 along with UPN, was extremely interested in affiliating here with WGN so they opened talks with them. WGN however ran, and still does, a crap ton of sports. They weren’t thrilled with the prospect the sportscasts would be inconvenienced by having to fulfill their WB affiliate duties so they initially passed on WB affiliation. Then WB went to WGBO and started talks there. Both sides felt WGBO and The WB would be a great fit so talks continued, from my understanding they had basically reached an agreement with the signing virtually a done deal. Then WGN started making racket- a lot of it. They “suddenly” decided they could make affiliation and their sports work after all so they quickly signed with WB. That left WGBO in a very uncertain spot. Cox was interested at one point, and then Paramount approached them. They again started affiliation talks but something happened no one here in Chicago saw coming...WCIU, which was the Univision affiliate at the time, suddenly refused to become a full time Univision affiliate when Univision wanted them to fully commit! This was in May ‘94. That was a really big deal here. It’s come out only recently that at that point Univision needed a new home fast so they made WGBO a deal they couldn’t refuse. They affiliated with Univision. Univision did allow the WGBO call letters to stay so it’s got a small part of it’s past still. UPN went to WPWR. As posts come in, I’ll get more into how I felt and still do feel about all this along with the aftermath here of all that.

Sources for the history section:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBFS-TV

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPSG

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGBO-DT

Nostalgic blast of bumpers and promos:

WBFS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl51EgjEAPU

There’s quite a few videos for WBFS but this was one of the better bunches of promos I saw for that station!

WGBS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_LodjnlSQNs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DzWNe_Bh8oM

Again this is just a few for WGBS, there’s quite a few videos there for it!

WGBO

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6k6HeMT9BhQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hvEe8GMzBNc

There’s more for WGBO Super 66 too but not as many as the other two stations, there used to be a bit more on YouTube.

If anyone has anymore links to bumpers, promos and commercials please share them!
 
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We moved to the Philly burbs in 89, and while we had cable, the local stations were what we watched most. I recall Philly 57 as well as PHL 17 prior to their being rebranded under other networks. If I remember correctly, they were 13 and 9 on cable at the time. Fox 29 was 11.
 
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Damn sorry, wgbo has always been Univision for as long as I can remember
Whitemex WGBO went to Univisiion on New Years Day 1995 but as my OP hinted at, that didn’t happen without a huge nasty mess of drama! It was really when WCIU decided to not renew their affiliation with Univision where the already very wild ride got even more turbulent! WGBO had always had a really rough time so what happened at the end didn’t really surprise me. It was kinda like “What else can possibly happen here that hasn’t already!?” since it seemed like everything that could possibly happen in their situation did. I’m especially angry at WGN With their shenanigans in the middle of all this. WB approaches them regarding WB affiliation, they initially turn them down. At that point. IMO that should be the end of it. Once the talks between WB and WGBO started unless something went really screwy they should have left it alone. WGN has always been known for their sports casts, newscasts and Bozo. They had their hands full and doing well with all of that. Then once it looked like WB affiliation for WGBO was a done deal they “suddenly” decided they could make affiliation plus all their other stuff work. Yeah sure, “suddenly” my ass. I feel like they changed their mind out of spite for WGBO. They probably didn’t want the headache of dealing with and competing with them...guess that’s one way to deal with it. WGBO has a really great team there that did the very best with what they had and they didn’t seem to complain about it. They were competing against WGN, WFLD, and WPWR under really shitty circumstances. All the syndicated stuff they either got passed over for or got absolute last pick of the scraps the others didn’t want. I felt and still do feel sorry for them. Right before the transfer to Univision, the then Station Manager did a spot explaining what happened and why, he ended up crying during it and I don’t blame him. What Univision did on New Year’s Eve ‘94 was really shitty to. 8 hours before the Midnight switch over, they hard cut to the Univision feed in the middle of an English movie! I saw it happen live and just went 😮! They could have given them those last 8 hours ffs! Compared to what WGN did though that was nothing in the bigger picture.

One of the really great things about WGBO was they really helped smaller businesses and car dealerships the chance to advertise when they otherwise wouldn’t be able to! In ‘88, one week worth of commercial airtime costed just 500 dollars! You could have as simple or elaborate of a spot as you wanted and they helped them put it together. Every last one of those business owners said advertising on WGBO was the best decision they made since foot traffic and business went way up! Now a week of airtime locally at least here runs at least 3,000 a week during prime time even more. I miss Super 66 and I’m sure the business owners do too.
 
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Spinluck I’m really curious about something, do you remember what it was like down there when it went from WBFS TV 33 to UPN 33? Was there a sense of loss there or did things kinda just go on? That had me wondering since WBFS did outstanding but the transition of WBFS and WGBS was much smoother and with far less change than WGBO. My guess is for at least a while they pretty much kept keeping on without much change otter than the new UPN affiliation.
 
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We moved to the Philly burbs in 89, and while we had cable, the local stations were what we watched most. I recall Philly 57 as well as PHL 17 prior to their being rebranded under other networks. If I remember correctly, they were 13 and 9 on cable at the time. Fox 29 was 11.
What was that transition like in Philly as well? Did Philly feel some kind of loss when it went to UPN or no? Again WGBS and WFBS had way smoother transfers than WGBO did so I’m always curious how different markets react to this kinda stuff!
 

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What was that transition like in Philly as well? Did Philly feel some kind of loss when it went to UPN or no? Again WGBS and WFBS had way smoother transfers than WGBO did so I’m always curious how different markets react to this kinda stuff!
Honestly, being a kid I wasn't really paying as much attention to it. However, given that UPN eventually started being the place for Star Trek, I think I was all for it.
 
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Honestly, being a kid I wasn't really paying as much attention to it. However, given that UPN eventually started being the place for Star Trek, I think I was all for it.
DarthWoo Thank you for the reply! Kids don’t pay much attention to all the technical aspects of these deals so it’s usually as simple as if their favorite shows stay where they are and can find them they’re all good. Trekkies were probably okay with it too since it was a bigger station they could find easily. I was 15 when the three stations had to find new owners and was just beginning to get my head around the technical stuff. The big WCIU move to Independent had most of the spotlight and overshadowed a lot of the WGBO situation. Appreciate the reply!
 

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I have a VHS tape somewhere with some original Dragon Ball episodes recorded from Philly 57 in 1989 with the commercials and everything.
 

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I'm not from any of those cities, but the nostalgia for TV from that era hits me hard. I love watching all those bumpers, and learning the stories behind channels I don't even know is always interesting.

The independent US channel of my childhood was WUTV in Buffalo. (US stations were so different from Canadian ones.) I could expertly pick that one up on antenna. It eventually became a Fox affiliate, but leading up to that it had a wide variety of programming.
 

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WBFS 33 and WDZL 39 were my stations back in the 90’s. Thank God they showed a ton of cartoons. Without cable today’s kids can’t see jack.
 

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I remember when channel 66 was WGBO, OP. The had a bunch of off-brand cartoons — I remember one with birds, toucans or crows I think — and really random D-list movies. I think there was even a short-lived show about video games for kids.

I lived on the Northside of Chicago at the time and the picture was always worse than the other stations. Probably one of the reasons I didn't watch it more often.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the cartoon I'm thinking of is these guys, Heckle and Jeckle:
 
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UPN was 50 or kinda 26 in Chicago when I was growing up. I didn’t have cable. I kinda remember 66 being Spanish language?
 
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Yup of course I remember UPN(philly here). UPN was where you could watch Moesha, Parker’s and other “urban” shows in the mid to late 90’s.

On my non cable TV we got Fox(29), CBS(3), ABC(6), WB(17), UPN(57)
 
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Philly 57.


I have a VHS tape somewhere with some original Dragon Ball episodes recorded from Philly 57 in 1989 with the commercials and everything.
I would very much like to see this. You should upload it to the tube.



As for me, I remember when I was a little kid, Channel 57 (pre-upn) was a cable-only station that you needed a box to get it. Had softcore porn and Boxing CCTV (Mike Tyson pre being the champ)
 

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Yeah, I'm familiar with Philly 57- thanks for the post, never really knew the backstory, other than they were a thing, then they became the UPN channel, which eventually morphed into the CW (when they combined with the WB). As you said, CW 57 still exists as the CW channel for everyone in the greater Philly area. I guess tv is a lot like everything else- the small guy eventually gets eaten up into the big corporate world and disappears.
 

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UPN 57 rep!!! watched such amazing shows as Captain Simeon and the space monkeys and roughnecks starship trooper Chronicles.
 
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Wow quite a few posts came in overnight! I’d like to reply to them so I’ll see if I can get multi quote to work! If I can’t I’ll reply to each post individually.

UPN 57 rep!!! watched such amazing shows as Captain Simeon and the space monkeys and roughnecks starship trooper Chronicles.
George c looking at some of the YouTube vids for Philly 57 it sure does seem they aired some of the way more obscure cartoons, several of which I didn’t even know existed! They must have done okay since yourself and a lot of folks in those comment sections definitely seem to remember them! Or at the very least they remember seeing ads for them! Each of the Grant stations had either a cartoon block or aired them sporadically throughout afternoons or more heavily on weekends.
 

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Well, posting on forums has gotten me in a bit of trouble in the past and the community angry at me. I wanted to contribute at least something worthwhile to Era though so I thought of a safe topic hopefully many can post in! 😁
Lol I think we found jeff_rigby's alt account

Cool thread tho, lived too far north to pick up the Miami station though. Interesting background on that guy.
 
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Yeah, I'm familiar with Philly 57- thanks for the post, never really knew the backstory, other than they were a thing, then they became the UPN channel, which eventually morphed into the CW (when they combined with the WB). As you said, CW 57 still exists as the CW channel for everyone in the greater Philly area. I guess tv is a lot like everything else- the small guy eventually gets eaten up into the big corporate world and disappears.
deathsaber Grant’s backstory is both pretty interesting and messy. They just kept buying and buying and buying until they ran up that obscenely high debt. I think it’s sad too, if they’d been more responsible and managed their money a lot better I think he could have had his regional Superstations like he was hoping for. Who knows, they might still be around today! At the very least, I think if they’d managed better they definitely wouldn’t have hit bankruptcy as fast as they did. He did try again later with Grant Broadcasting System 2, different markets that time-Quad Cities, Illinois, and Eau Claire, Wisconsin among them if I remember right. That failed too in the end. Milton Grant passed away in 2007. It would have been extremely fascinating to hear how he felt about both attempts to get something happening.

It is sad about the small guys being bought out by the bigger media corporations. There was a time many Independents were very successful and figured out what their markets wanted. There really aren’t many true Independents left. One of the last true Independents, WCIU here in Chicago, is affiliating with CW in September. That announcement came out of nowhere! WGN was affiliated with WB/CW for a while, then CW went to WPWR. It’ll be very interesting to see what WPWR will do once they lose CW in the Fall! They’re Chicago’s My Network affiliate but My Network really doesn’t have many hours of shows left. From my understanding they’re scrambling trying to figure out what their plan is and they don’t have much time to do it! I have a ton of respect for Weigel, the owner of WCIU...we’ll see how CW affiliation works out for them. It’s definitely a gamble imo but gambles seem to pay off for those guys.
 
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Philly 57.




I would very much like to see this. You should upload it to the tube.



As for me, I remember when I was a little kid, Channel 57 (pre-upn) was a cable-only station that you needed a box to get it. Had softcore porn and Boxing CCTV (Mike Tyson pre being the champ)
Soapbox Killer Returns i chuckled at that picture there, I can imagine some people reading this thread having that exact reaction! I think RetroCCN should post his video on YouTube too if he can! I’d like to see it as well, a lot of people would like to I imagine. I’m always amazed at his at least someone has held onto this kind of stuff for years, decades even and it not only has survived, in many cases it’s in good shape too!

Before Grant bought the station, it was WWSG under a different owner. They did run Subscription TV stuff at night so you’ve got a good memory to remember that! Subscription TV here was ON TV and Spectrum. WFBN pre WGBO had Spectrum. WSNS had ON. WSNS is another station here with a long and honestly messy history. At one time they were an independent that got a lot of attention due to airing a lot of shows the other channels didn’t want and in some cases wouldn’t dare air. At one point they got really desperate and had a news show with a girl dressed pretty seductively reading the news! That got them in trouble. Then later they picked up both Sox and Blackhawks games. Things really turned around at that point and they were doing very well. After that they inexplicably sold to ON, I don’t understand why they did that, neither can a dormer WSNS Station Manager! That’s when the shit really flew hard because one night the ON feed was running in scrambled and wouldn’t ya know it a porn movie happened to be on! Lotta kids and others saw it, they weren’t happy and WSNS got in major hot water that time. They got into a major lawsuit that lasted into the early ‘90s! WSNS eventually dropped ON and for a very brief while in ‘85 they were trying to get it together as an Independent again. They sold off to Telemundo and they’re still a Telemundo affiiiate, NBC Universal owns them now.
 
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UPN was 50 or kinda 26 in Chicago when I was growing up. I didn’t have cable. I kinda remember 66 being Spanish language?
66 went Spanish language at the beginning of ‘95 and still is the Univision affiliate here. Though both Univision and Fox might have problems since they each own two stations here. I’m wondering if they’ll have to decide on one of their stations or the other. The whole duopoly thing isn’t sitting great with some so we’ll see how each market handles their duopolies.

WPWR was the UPN affiliate, before that it was an Independent. They’re both a My Network and CW affiliate right now but about to lose CW in the Fall. It’s uncertain what’ll happen to them after that.

WCIU, channel 26 is owned by Weigel. In ‘94 they were a Univision affiliate and refused to become a full time Univision affiliate like Univision wanted so they went independent. They were a SMASH hit out of the gate! They’ve become big, almost everyone here knows WCIU The U! They’re also the ones responsible for Me TV. WCIU will become the CW affiliate in the fall, The U will survive it as a subchannel. On paper this CW affiliation sounds like a good bet for them, we shall see if it pays off.
 

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I was around in the WGBO "Super" 66 days, but my TV viewing was pretty limited. I think I might have watched reruns of Knight Rider on it in the mid/late-80s?
 

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Thanks for posting this, OP, this stuff is really interesting. While not from the same set of stations, I remember trying to get reception for U68 in the new york area back in the day. During summer thunderstorms we could sometimes get philly and Florida stations.
 

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I grew up in Chicagoland, so I remember the super 66 WGBO days. Reading about the background of this stuff has been fascinating. The thing I remember the most about that channel is "Samurai Sundays" when they would air Asian cinema and programming (mainly Kung Fu movies).

I remember pre/post-UPN WPWR 50.

And when 26 was Univision until it became WCIU "The U" and had shows like Svengoolie. I remember that WB stuff was airing on WGN 9 and WCIU at that same time for a minute, because I would watch Kids WB stuff on 26. WGN had a lots of sports stuff, mainly Cubs games (and probably still does). Univision became 66 later on, so I'm probably showing my age knowing about how it was before.

WLFD 32 was always the FOX channel.

On the subject of broadcast stations, I'm going to throw this one out there, which is pretty obscure to see if anyone else knows. Anyone recall watching "Japanamation" on WJYS 62? That was my true gateway drug into the world of Anime.
 
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Alas, I would, if not for the fact that it would be up for all of 30 seconds before being taken down with a copyright strike. I could upload just the commercials, though.
RetroCCN The actual cartoon itself, like a full episode is probably going to be very iffy to upload, that’d depend on who has the rights to it now, how they feel about it, and if they wanna go to the trouble of copyright striking it. The commercials, promos, and bumpers should all be no problem though so please consider uploading those at least! The more stuff like that from these stations’ pasts that are preserved and uploaded the better!
 
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I was around in the WGBO "Super" 66 days, but my TV viewing was pretty limited. I think I might have watched reruns of Knight Rider on it in the mid/late-80s?
emag yup they sure did have reruns of the original 80’s Knight Rider for a while in there! In fact I have a folder full of old Super 66 bumpers and promos that has a promo for Knight Rider in it, just watched it a few minutes ago! Everything in that folder was on YouTube at one point but isn’t anymore, the user deleted their channel it looks like. I’d be happy to try to upload all of it on my YouTube channel this weekend from a better internet connection, would anyone be interested in that? I’ve also got even more Super 66 and WPWR stuff on vhs tapes I could transfer to digital and upload those too. Those will take longer though since I’ll have to go through the tapes and see which ones have all that stuff on them. Hopefully the tapes are still in good shape!
 
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Thanks for posting this, OP, this stuff is really interesting. While not from the same set of stations, I remember trying to get reception for U68 in the new york area back in the day. During summer thunderstorms we could sometimes get philly and Florida stations.
Wonderment No problem, I was happy to write out the post and put everything together! I had to write the post out in my Notes app on iPad then paste it in here though since I was going back and forth between that and the Wiki pages to be sure I had the info I wanted to put in correctly!

DX’ing is incredible if you’re in the right spot for it and have a really good antenna! I used to have a pretty decent attic antenna and when the weather was good I could regularly get pretty much all the Milwaukee stations at night, during the analog days the image would be fuzzy, snowy and jump around but you could clearly tell what channels they were! You can still DX with digital but you still need a great antenna for it. This was a few years back but I was occasionally able to still get the main Milwaukee stations plus all their sub channels! The neat thing about pulling this off in the digital era is if you DX something, you’ll get ALL of the signal unlike the analog days. That includes sub channels. But, you have to be getting enough of the station’s signal to be able to decode all of it. I’ve managed Milwaukee, not South Bend which surprised me. I’ve only managed Rockford once and that was in the analog days. Rockford is a bitch to get down here in the South Suburbs even though it’s just 80 miles because to the East of Rockford there’s a ridge that makes it very difficult for the signals to get this far Southeast. A few years back I got one station from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Anything further out would require a very good antenna! I’ve heard of people around here managing to get stuff from Cleveland, Minneapolis, Toledo, Indianapolis, Kansas City, St. Louis, Omaha...quite a ways out! One of these years I might get a very good antenna that I can get up higher and see what I can manage.
 
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I grew up in Chicagoland, so I remember the super 66 WGBO days. Reading about the background of this stuff has been fascinating. The thing I remember the most about that channel is "Samurai Sundays" when they would air Asian cinema and programming (mainly Kung Fu movies).

I remember pre/post-UPN WPWR 50.

And when 26 was Univision until it became WCIU "The U" and had shows like Svengoolie. I remember that WB stuff was airing on WGN 9 and WCIU at that same time for a minute, because I would watch Kids WB stuff on 26. WGN had a lots of sports stuff, mainly Cubs games (and probably still does). Univision became 66 later on, so I'm probably showing my age knowing about how it was before.

WLFD 32 was always the FOX channel.

On the subject of broadcast stations, I'm going to throw this one out there, which is pretty obscure to see if anyone else knows. Anyone recall watching "Japanamation" on WJYS 62? That was my true gateway drug into the world of Anime.
EXMaster The background stuff is downright intriguing. It’s both sad and unreal, Grant had the right idea and until he spent and spent his way to bankruptcy he had the resources to realize his goal. I guess when you have a goal like that if you’re determined enough you’ll start spending like he did and not really care about how much you’re spending or if you’ll land in bankruptcy court over it. But, he had the exact right idea and means, he just spectacularly blew it by over extending. Super 66 did Samurai Sundays for quite awhile! They showed a ton of Asian stuff that again no one else in this market would dare touch. They did a great job of presenting it and had some cool promos for that block. One of their promo guys who worked at WGBO that last year before it went to Univision posted on the Fuzzymemories.tv forums-great really small community with lots of discussion and videos about Chicago TV’s past-a few years ago and he was only too happy to talk about the station and his experience there. He said it was basically an extended family atmosphere and everyone there loved WGBO. They tried to get it to succeed the way WBFS and WGBS did but with the more complicated circumstances here they just weren’t able to. It was a great team that loved what they did, they tried their damndest to keep going with no changes but just couldn’t hang on so they sold to Univision after potential WB and UPN affiliation failed.

WPWR more or less became what WGBO had hoped for, for quite a while pre UPN they were THE independent! They had ALL the shows that WBFS and WGBS had and then some! They also took The Three Stooges and turned them into a smash hit Saturday/Sunday night staple for a while! They were still doing fairly well during the UPN period. Then Fox bought them..they’re now a My Network/CW affiliate. Once they lose the CW affiliation in September I truly have no idea what the hell they’re gonna do. We know they’re going to continue My Network stuff but as I said up thread...it’s only a few hours a week of that at this point so they’ll need something more. A lot more. I’m hoping against hope they’ll look to their Power 50 days and try to be somewhat the Independent they used to but we’ll see. They have only a few months to figure it out.

After WCIU broke away from Univision and became independent again they became a super smash hit as The U very fast. They had tons of classic shows, Svengoolie and they got WGBO’s library so some of those shows could keep airing. WCIU worked very closely with WGBO those few months before the “swap”. WGBO aired preview promos for The U and WCIU gave what little boost they could to WGBO in return as they got ready for launch. WGN was the main WB affiliate and agreed to run all WB stuff here-minus Kids WB so WCIU jumped in and ran the Kids WB stuff. WGN reared it’s ugly head again...the more I read about WGN in those days the angrier I get at them. WGN did what they wanted...bullying, the works. They ran what they wanted and what they didn’t want to they didn’t. Didn’t matter how much mess it would cause. I get their legacy but they should have left WGBO alone. What they did to them wasn’t right.

WCIU has become even bigger since...there’s the main The U, The U Too on 26.2, Me TV, Bounce TV-not Weigel owned, Decades, This TV, H&I...they really have become a behemoth here. I admire the Weigel team a great deal but with success this massive it’s scared off anyone who could possibly enter the Chicago market and give them healthy competition. I feeling these days WCIU could use some healthy competiton. We’ll see how CW affiliation works out for them. It’s not without its risks but I think they’re a far better fit for CW than WGN or WPWR were. WGN should never have affiliated with them. WPWR is just too far gone to really have given it a boost here.

WFLD is still the Fox affiliate, and their news casts are like unprofessional amateur hours now. It’s entertainment that’s for sure! They do well with Fox stuff but that’s about it. Fox’s issue is the duopoly thing they’ve got here, they and Univision may well have to choose one of their stations or the other. Second half of the year could be very interesting in Chicago TV.

Then there’s WJYS. Holy. Shit. Those guys have almost as complicated a history as WSNS at this point! So they launched in 1995 as an independent. At first, they had some really good stuff, I was shocked at what they launched with! Untouchables, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, I Dream of Jeannie, Laverne and Shirley, Rescue 911, The Fugitive, some cartoons, the6 really had a strong launch! They had a unique issue, only the Southern half of the area could get them! So no one in the North burbs knew they existed! Right there that made it hard to gain traction. By ‘97 they cut back the shows hard. By ‘99 the general stuff disappeared entirely. At that point it was a ton of infomercials and religious for them. Later the owner got sued for sexual harassment! I remember the Japanamatiom stuff! That was BOLD. It was unedited, un altered and aired commercial free for a bit! Fist Of The North Star...Quite a few animes aired there. Those did great for them. A few years back they tried...well it was Chicago’s own Tonight Show basically, with a band and everything. It was very well done, WJYS committed to 65 episodes but only aired 13 because of the asshole executive producer refusing to pay cast and crew. They taped in Gary too which didn’t help. Since then they’ve been limping along, barely alive. When it gets sold off and I suspect it’ll be soon that station is worth a TON of money. That will be the next big deal for Chicago TV and I’ll be damn curious who gets it!
 

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RetroCCN The actual cartoon itself, like a full episode is probably going to be very iffy to upload, that’d depend on who has the rights to it now, how they feel about it, and if they wanna go to the trouble of copyright striking it. The commercials, promos, and bumpers should all be no problem though so please consider uploading those at least! The more stuff like that from these stations’ pasts that are preserved and uploaded the better!

I uploaded the ads to YouTube. There's no way I would get away with uploading the cartoon. But enjoy!
 

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Then there’s WJYS. Holy. Shit. Those guys have almost as complicated a history as WSNS at this point! So they launched in 1995 as an independent. At first, they had some really good stuff, I was shocked at what they launched with! Untouchables, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, I Dream of Jeannie, Laverne and Shirley, Rescue 911, The Fugitive, some cartoons, the6 really had a strong launch! They had a unique issue, only the Southern half of the area could get them! So no one in the North burbs knew they existed! Right there that made it hard to gain traction. By ‘97 they cut back the shows hard. By ‘99 the general stuff disappeared entirely. At that point it was a ton of infomercials and religious for them. Later the owner got sued for sexual harassment! I remember the Japanamatiom stuff! That was BOLD. It was unedited, un altered and aired commercial free for a bit! Fist Of The North Star...Quite a few animes aired there. Those did great for them. A few years back they tried...well it was Chicago’s own Tonight Show basically, with a band and everything. It was very well done, WJYS committed to 65 episodes but only aired 13 because of the asshole executive producer refusing to pay cast and crew. They taped in Gary too which didn’t help. Since then they’ve been limping along, barely alive. When it gets sold off and I suspect it’ll be soon that station is worth a TON of money. That will be the next big deal for Chicago TV and I’ll be damn curious who gets it!

Wow, I see. I grew up in the south suburbs (Dolton), so I was able to get WJYS. I heard about the uncensored airings of Japanimation after the fact, but by the time I started watching it, unfortunately they were censoring stuff. Someone must have gotten wise to it. I always thought it was funny they would air violent, sexual anime next to religious programming. This was around six or seventh grade, so even seeing stuff like Wicked City censored blew my young mind.
 

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I don’t remember the name but it was a guy that went into this dodecahedron thing and could travel back in time on UPN and also Voyager.

UPN57 represent.
 
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I uploaded the ads to YouTube. There's no way I would get away with uploading the cartoon. But enjoy!
Thank you very much RetroCCN ! I watched all of it just now! Had no problem hearing it, I used headphones. Picture quality looked good to me too. Really neat to get more of a peek at Philly 57 back then. I enjoy seeing promos and bumpers for different stations.
 

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Awesome OP. Still reading all of it.

Do you watch svengoolie OP? I feel like you're someone who watches Svengoolie. I started watching recently and it's the absolute best.
 
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I grew up in Miami, I remember when the channel switched to UPN. There was a big sizzle reel on the news with all the new shows that would be coming out. I was super excited to see a new Star Trek show; I had been watching TNG every week with my dad, and we were pumped to have more Trek to check out. Then we watched the premiere episode of Voyager, and...yeah, it wasn't very good, lol.
 
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Awesome OP. Still reading all of it.

Do you watch svengoolie OP? I feel like you're someone who watches Svengoolie. I started watching recently and it's the absolute best.
Mr.Awesome I have seen Svengoolie! While I don’t watch it regularly, I do stop to watch it if it’s on to see their little skits and songs! Svengoolie was largely a very local Chicago thing at one time. Jerry G. Bishop was the first Svengoolie and it started out on WFLD. Then later there was Son of Svengoolie, also on WFLD. Rich Koz took over the role at that point. Rich still plays him now and is doing very well after some health scares in recent years. Rich did some other work for WFLD, the most well known of that being The Koz Zone. At first that was aimed more at adults but he retooled it into a kid’s version for the cartoon block they had at the time. That actually won an award! It was bizarre though.

When The U launched they brought Svengoolie back for that and they had Sven host the New Year’s Eve ‘95 preview for the U too. Like I said, Sven has a very local Chicago flavor to it, with the rubber chickens and the whole “Berwyn!!?” running gag but I’m glad he can now be seen nationally on Me TV! It gives the show a far wider audience and more recognition which Rich deserves after putting almost 3 decades into the character.
 

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Awesome OP. Still reading all of it.

Do you watch svengoolie OP? I feel like you're someone who watches Svengoolie. I started watching recently and it's the absolute best.
Svengoolie is great. It's been a long time since I watched it but I enjoyed it whenever I caught it as a kid.

Thinking back on Super 66 more, the other thing I remember watching on it was the old Mighty Mouse cartoons.

As far as other little-known Chicago stations, I remember there was a music video station called The Box. I think it was channel 13 or 20? The picture was terrible and it only came through clear enough to watch a few hours a day. But for a household that didn't have cable, that was the closest we came to MTV.
 
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Svengoolie is great. It's been a long time since I watched it but I enjoyed it whenever I caught it as a kid.

Thinking back on Super 66 more, the other thing I remember watching on it was the old Mighty Mouse cartoons.

As far as other little-known Chicago stations, I remember there was a music video station called The Box. I think it was channel 13 or 20? The picture was terrible and it only came through clear enough to watch a few hours a day. But for a household that didn't have cable, that was the closest we came to MTV.
ragingbegal Svengoolie always seemed to be something that was destined for a much bigger audience outside Chicago so I’m really happy it’s getting that thanks to Me TV! I’m not the biggest fan of those...lower quality horror and some of the lower end sci fi movies that pop up on Svengoolie but you can’t help but admire the way they present them. The presentation is great! The thing about Weigel is since WCIU went back to being an independent almost 25 years ago, it’ll be 25 on January 1st-that’s unreal how fast that went by! But, the Weigel team is incredibly passionate about TV. They’ve got a lot of very talented people there. Over these last few decades, they’ve damn well just about tackled every type of TV you can imagine...General market Independent, real honest Classic TV with Me TV and what used to be Me Too, though in the last few years some of the shows on there aren’t classic yet imo...a movie channel with This TV, Decades which is a really ambitious network that looks at TV and culture through the decades, Heroes and Icons-H&I...you make it these guys have tackled it. And, just when you think they’re all out of holy shit level announcements they hit ya with more like they just did a few weeks ago with the announcement of WCIU affiliating with CW in September! I didn’t see that coming, I don’t think anyone here did or could have accurately predicted that! I knew WPWR wasn’t doing great with CW and they’d probably find a new home, WCIU was the last place I expected but they’re the best fit for it here. CW is in good hands in Chicago. I expected....WJYS honestly, maybe even a WGBO shocker long before I’d have guessed WCIU.

Mighty Mouse ran on Super 66 the first few years after Grant bought it. They had a ton of those obscure lesser known cartoons.

The Box!! Holy shit I do remember that. Ugh I’m trying to remember what channel that was on! Hold on let me see if I can find out....ok Google isn’t helping...I want to say it was Channel 13! Shit I knew at one point! But yes the channel it was on had a VERY weak signal, even with a really good antenna you usually couldn’t get it for crap unless the weather was cooperating which was rare. Channel 20...that was one of 3 !! PBS affiliates Chicago had. It went dark last year but unbelievably it’s back, now airing European dramas.
 
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Wow, I see. I grew up in the south suburbs (Dolton), so I was able to get WJYS. I heard about the uncensored airings of Japanimation after the fact, but by the time I started watching it, unfortunately they were censoring stuff. Someone must have gotten wise to it. I always thought it was funny they would air violent, sexual anime next to religious programming. This was around six or seventh grade, so even seeing stuff like Wicked City censored blew my young mind.
EXMaster I meant to reply to this earlier, sorry it took all day to get to it! We’ll say I grew up in Tinley Park, where the old WJYS analog transmitter still sits and where their offices/studios are so I was able to get them no problem as soon as they launched. They were one of maybe a very few stations that dared to have an unedited, un altered Japanamation block. That did get them quite a lot of attention at the time, I really have to give them credit for doing that. After a while they did edit it and put commercials in too so while they still did it, it was heavily watered down. I have to imagine when they ran it unedited they got a shit ton of complaints but they did it anyway since their audience wanted it that way. I’m glad they did it un edited as long as they did!

WJYS had a lot of potential in the beginning, I really thought they might have become the successor to Super 66 with some time. They were definitely headed in that direction. I wish they could have improved their signal at that point, they’d have had a better chance for some success.

Chicago’s version of The Tonight Show they tried was called Seven On Ridge, hosted by Michael Essany. You might know his name, they did at least get a somewhat known name to host it. For the 13 episodes they did air, ratings were VERY good, well WELL what WJYS expected and they were extremely happy with them. WJYS hasn’t really ever gotten strong ratings but during that period it did. The station finally had signs of life again, I wish that executive producer didn’t royally screw the host, band and crew since a show like that was what WJYS needed..badly. I talked to a few of the writers a bit, and helped WJYS get the word out on the show on my Twitter which again they were very happy with. Those few writers invited me to come out to a taping but they taped in Gary as I said. I thought Gary...the Genesee Theatre..I just wasn’t comfortable with the idea of going out there. They understandably understood and extended an invitation to come once they found a nicer taping venue which they were looking for.
 

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EXMaster Those few writers invited me to come out to a taping but they taped in Gary as I said. I thought Gary...the Genesee Theatre..I just wasn’t comfortable with the idea of going out there. They understandably understood and extended an invitation to come once they found a nicer taping venue which they were looking for.
No shame in that, most of Gary isn't exactly a "welcoming" place. Believe me I know considering where I was living.

I didn't know about the Seven On Ridge stuff, that must of happened as I got older and stopped watching TV as much or moved out of the Chicago area. I'm surprised WJYS is still around, because after they eventually quit Japanimantion as Amine became more mainstream, all they would air it seemed like is infomercials and church stuff. I was mainly in it for the cartoons, but I would watch odd stuff like Three Stooges Sunday nights on "Power" 50, various 70's sitcom reruns at night on WCIU, Bozo in the morning (or part of it) before leaving for grade school on WGN, Samurai Sunday which I mentioned, Svengoolie every now and then. etc.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.