Michael Cohen testifies on Capitol Hill (over)

Dyle

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As someone who primarily gets his news from NPR, and I listened a bit today, all they seemingly had to play over and over again was the 5 seconds where Michael Cohen called Trump a racist and a bigot.

Why not more clips of actual discussion on the floor, like this? This helps me understand what's going on. A hot clip that loses steam in 10 minutes as soon as they invite multiple republican house members to talk their way around that.. I can only assume television news coverage is worse, as I tend to consider NPR comparatively highly. We really need a revolution in media. I get more out of audio and video of actual government discussions and I bet most people would too. Instead it's like it needs to be softened, dampened, selected into the most cliche and stereotypical partisan statements, throwing the rest into the void.
NPR streamed the entire thing, depending on your local station so there's always that. For summaries they have very limited time slots with lots of other important things to cover, so unfortunately short soundbites work best to convey the entire context of the situation to viewers. Also it's hard for radio since people are constantly tuning in and out so doing an extended session like this doesn't do a good job of providing enough context to help them understand what's going on, without which many of the benefits of the extended clip are lost.

I don't disagree, but radio in particular is difficult to make things like that clip work. They didn't need to invite fucking Jim Jordan for an interview though, jfc just don't invite pos liars like him. You don't need to have a republican perspective on everything for "balance" when all they do is yell and lie every time
 

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I trust his legal counsel did their jobs well so I think he should be fine but Meadow's point was that some of the private companies he had dealings with actually had controlling interest by foreign governments.
Meadows was simply playing as loose and fast with the actual policy as he could, to try to get a gotcha soundbite for Fox News that no one would bother to properly fact-check. He didn't seem to really care if it were just foreign governments or foreign companies or some combination, just as long as it was "foreign" and Cohen didn't acknowledge it properly.
 

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When I think the Republicans wanted to get rid of Bill Clinton because he had sex wih an intern. And with a “straight face”, they want to protect Donald Trump today...
 

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AOC was last, right? I think her skill was building off of everyone else's questions, because each question she asked referenced a prior question/statement by another congressperson. So she clarified exactly where Trump may have violated federal and state property tax laws - a HUGE deal in New York and New Jersey - and who the committee should contact next for further questioning.

She was standing on the shoulders of her peers, and it was extremely well-done quick-thinking.
I'd imagine that was the plan- have other people ask preliminary questions for her to play off of, and then have the one everyone's going to pay the most attention to regardless take the job of tying it all together and shoving the proverbial knife in.
 

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I bounced around the usual spots. The line I saw them going with is obviously they were scripted questions handed to her by much smarter people.
I saw the same thing from the endless supply of fucking lemmings on twitter. Eventually, they'll have to pivot to saying everything she says comes off a teleprompter like they did with Obama.
 

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As a minority and a PoC, I will continue to be utterly dismayed by white people who bring up token PoCs they are affiliated with (work, family, friends) as a sign they are nit racist. If anything, this makes us think you’re racist even more.
 

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As a minority and a PoC, I will continue to be utterly dismayed by white people who bring up token PoCs they are affiliated with (work, family, friends) as a sign they are nit racist. If anything, this makes us think you’re racist even more.
the part that stings for me, when meadows brought up that woman, is that she willingly put herself in that position. She really believes she isn't a token PoC.

And that's sad. All she has to do is view the make up of the Republican side, and view the make up of the democrat side. There's a reason why the Republican side was all pretty much white men and women.
 

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the part that stings for me, when meadows brought up that woman, is that she willingly put herself in that position. She really believes she isn't a token PoC.

And that's sad. All she has to do is view the make up of the Republican side, and view the make up of the democrat side. There's a reason why the Republican side was all pretty much white men and women.
I was utterly dismayed by that too. I could not fathom why she would want to be a part of that charade. I would not allow anyone to parade me like a prop for a speech.
 

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I was utterly dismayed by that too. I could not fathom why she would want to be a part of that charade. I would not allow anyone to parade me like a prop for a speech.
Wouldn't matter if I genuinely believed my boss wasn't racist. If someone wanted to drag me to congress and use me as a "one black friend" human prop on live tv, I'd tell them to fuck off. Some people have no shame.
 

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Meadows was simply playing as loose and fast with the actual policy as he could, to try to get a gotcha soundbite for Fox News that no one would bother to properly fact-check. He didn't seem to really care if it were just foreign governments or foreign companies or some combination, just as long as it was "foreign" and Cohen didn't acknowledge it properly.
I know and pointed this out when it first came up live once Cohen clarified the details of what the form demanded in his response. However it seems he accidentally bumped into a legitimate question. Don't think matters though as Cohen has been given the chance to set the record straight (if it wasn't already).
 

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*plantation owner in 1823* How dare you call me racist!!! I have an entire backyard full of black people! Same old shit from the racist fuck playbook.
Damn, you're talking about Thomas Jefferson aren't you? Because you'd be exactly right! He'd respond in the same way I bet, especially near the end of his life where he made "progress" on the whole slavery and rape of black people thing going on with him (asking Congress to buy us and then ship us the fuck out, or only freeing a handful of slaves on death)
 

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AOC was last, right? I think her skill was building off of everyone else's questions, because each question she asked referenced a prior question/statement by another congressperson. So she clarified exactly where Trump may have violated federal and state property tax laws - a HUGE deal in New York and New Jersey - and who the committee should contact next for further questioning.

She was standing on the shoulders of her peers, and it was extremely well-done quick-thinking.
The frustrating thing is that's something that's extremely rarely done at these things. Everyone mostly just sticks to to what they prepared for.

Democrats don't even coordinate before hand, even though republicans clearly do.
 

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Decided to make my way though the whole thing. Am about an hour an a half in, and that opening was great. Also the republicans trying to postpone at the beginning would be hilarious if it wasn't so transparent and infuriating.
 
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The vast majority of people will never watch close to this entire thing. They'll get their 30 second CNN or Fox News clip and that'll be it.

The entire thing + twitch chat is archived here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/387515410
 

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Didn't those morons forget to bring enough food and supplies to last through such an occupation, and the feds took mercy on them and let people through to get supplies?

lol, yeah I looked it up to make sure. They also got trolled by people who sent them sex toys and glitter instead:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia/oregon-occupiers-ask-public-for-supplies-get-glitter-sex-toys-idUSKCN0US31420160114





Well-regulated militia indeed...they couldn't even organize a grocery list.
Fuck

Those

Guys.

Shittiest thing about it is they never faced consequences for that.
 

Sphinx

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nothing will change, right? this will come and go like every other piece of info against trump.
 

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It says a lot that Trump would trash his son to his attorney. There was never a day in my life where I questioned that my Dad loved and supported me, I miss him.
 

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It says a lot that Trump would trash his son to his attorney. There was never a day in my life where I questioned that my Dad loved and supported me, I miss him.
Oh yeah, there is no doubt in my mind that the man is a lousy father, a lousy husband, a lousy friend and a lousy human being.
He's everything you don't want as a president as he doesn't care about anyone but himself and he isn't curious about anything and that has kept him surprisingly unwise, ignorant, clueless and childish for a man his age. I mean, it's hard to be as empty as he is at his age.
 
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I killed me every time the chat went "NEW LORE" every time Cohen dropped new tidbits.

 
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Is there a good summary of this I can read somewhere? I watched some on YouTube yesterday but I don't have time for the whole thing so I'd rather just have the cliff notes.

EDIT - don't worry, The Guardian has a fairly detailed article on it.
 

Skade

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I saw the same thing from the endless supply of fucking lemmings on twitter. Eventually, they'll have to pivot to saying everything she says comes off a teleprompter like they did with Obama.
Well, they are used to see their orange overlord clearly talking without pre-written notes or teleprompter. So obviously, when they see a politican use clear, comprehensible and intelligent phrases on TV, it seems fishy to them.
 

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The vast majority of people will never watch close to this entire thing. They'll get their 30 second CNN or Fox News clip and that'll be it.

The entire thing + twitch chat is archived here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/387515410
Not to get off topic, but if this is your first taste of something like this and you want more, check out the old House judiciary committee hearing on SOPA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBl4EmI_hhg

And for more greatest hits, watch the Senate hearing on the Russian misinformation campaign during the election: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBf7rEF-Iqo

Our government is so fucking broken, it's full of morons. Watching the above will crush any hope you have about our ability to lead ourselves.
 

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Not to get off topic, but if this is your first taste of something like this and you want more, check out the old House judiciary committee hearing on SOPA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBl4EmI_hhg

And for more greatest hits, watch the Senate hearing on the Russian misinformation campaign during the election: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBf7rEF-Iqo

Our government is so fucking broken, it's full of morons. Watching the above will crush any hope you have about our ability to lead ourselves.

But where are the boxes? I'm a cop man!
 

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Wouldn't matter if I genuinely believed my boss wasn't racist. If someone wanted to drag me to congress and use me as a "one black friend" human prop on live tv, I'd tell them to fuck off. Some people have no shame.
I mean she was basically a party planner who now is a higher up at at HUD so she’s going to do whatever Trump asks her to do.
 

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The vast majority of people will never watch close to this entire thing. They'll get their 30 second CNN or Fox News clip and that'll be it.

The entire thing + twitch chat is archived here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/387515410
Which is why I don't think Republicans give a fuck about actually making coherent arguments or coming off as dignified. All they care about is providing soundbites that can be chopped up and fed to the brainwashed masses watching Fox.

*Wink*
 
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Whenever something new was said or a new name came up the entire chat just spamming "GOTTEM" or "WE GOT EM" just had me in stitches.
It was like watching an Ace Attorney stream lol
The juxtaposition between the deadly serious congress hearing + the absurd humor of twitch chat is something to behold.

Like someone else said, it's modern art.
 
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When I heard him open and say "President Trump is a racist, a conman, and a cheat." I just immediately rolled my eyes and sighed. Not because I disagree, but because I know I just saw the news byte. That's the only thing we'll ever see from the testimony on the news networks who are only interested in sensationalism and not substance
 

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I thought and have a look what Foxnews reported on this. Surely these people aren't called journalists, right? I mean they probably all have a plastic cast of Trump's asshole so they can lick it multiple times a day.
 
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I thought and have a look what Foxnews reported on this. Surely these people aren't called journalists, right? I mean they probably all have a plastic cast of Trump's asshole so they can lick it multiple times a day.
Sadly its most watched “cable news” in the USA and a large portion of the population take everything they say as gospel and 100% truth :(.
 

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As a minority and a PoC, I will continue to be utterly dismayed by white people who bring up token PoCs they are affiliated with (work, family, friends) as a sign they are nit racist. If anything, this makes us think you’re racist even more.
If it was possible to apologise on behalf of all of us, I/we would. Guess it wouldn't stop these people from doing it again and again, probably for a couple more generations at least. Le sigh.

Which is why I don't think Republicans give a fuck about actually making coherent arguments or coming off as dignified. All they care about is providing soundbites that can be chopped up and fed to the brainwashed masses watching Fox.
The R-base will be saying exactly the same thing about the democrat side.
 
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PrimeBeef

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Wouldn't matter if I genuinely believed my boss wasn't racist. If someone wanted to drag me to congress and use me as a "one black friend" human prop on live tv, I'd tell them to fuck off. Some people have no shame.
I'll bet she was threatened with a firing from the Trump org job she has if she didn't.
 

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Why the fuck do they allow a big poster of michael cohen that says "liar liar pants on fire" to hang behind the committee during his testimony? Seriously what the fuck.
 

PrimeBeef

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Which is why I don't think Republicans give a fuck about actually making coherent arguments or coming off as dignified. All they care about is providing soundbites that can be chopped up and fed to the brainwashed masses watching Fox.

*Wink*
That's what Frank Luntz brought to American politics.Talking points. Short, sweet, memorable and easily repeatable.
 

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I was utterly dismayed by that too. I could not fathom why she would want to be a part of that charade. I would not allow anyone to parade me like a prop for a speech.
Don't forget that anyone in Trump's good graces has like a 30% chance of being named a senior level cabinet secretary. She's probably on the short list to replace Wilbur Ross after standing up for Trump yesterday.
 

MazeHaze

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Republicans on the committee be like : Michael Cohen, Co-When, Wheyn.....don't you find it curious that "wheyn" is the Gaelic word for "Big Fat Liar?" *Smiles smugly around the room while their pink hands tremble*