Michael Cohen testifies on Capitol Hill (over)

SmiteOfHand

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Why the fuck do they allow a big poster of michael cohen that says "liar liar pants on fire" to hang behind the committee during his testimony? Seriously what the fuck.
Don't worry they are all about decorum. /s

Who works under a NDA.

Real easy to speak for her when she is afraid of losing her job.
I'll bet she was threatened with a firing from the Trump org job she has if she didn't.
Her response..
 

PrimeBeef

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Oct 27, 2017
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Don't worry they are all about decorum. /s




Her response..
Yeah, then she's a moron because Trump is a notorious liar and has a history of racist act, behaviours and statements. Working for him as a PoC in a non labor, high paying position and being used as a prop by a congressman with a history of racist comments, doesn't seem right for someone claiming they are highly educated and not low-info.

I stand by my claim, add she may have been paid to do so, or is a brainwashed moron.
 

Wackamole

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For someone so highly educated, she should know what the definition of "prop" is. And yes, they used her as a prop.
Hard to tell for us. But yes, i certainly got that impression.
Sadly its most watched “cable news” in the USA and a large portion of the population take everything they say as gospel and 100% truth :(.
That is sad. They seem extremely malicious and constantly ready to twist and turn the news on events to actively lie to people. Willingly.
This isn't journalism, these are people who act like journalists to try and stop inevitable change. Scared xenophobic inhumane asshats.
 

Gurgelhals

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So are we going to see some subpoenas on all those names Cohen dropped?
It seemed to me that the committee might go after Weisselberg (Trump Org CFO) next and also get serious about subpoenaing Trump's tax returns. At the very least, these were the two things that Cohen was signposting repeatedly during the hearing.

Of course, I'm hoping that we'll also see Trump's SAT scores at some point simply for the lulz.
 

Kalentan

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So ultimately how did this turn out? Bad? Was it a nothing burger? I tried to keep up yesterday but wasn't able to.
 

Wackamole

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It seemed to me that the committee might go after Weisselberg (Trump Org CFO) next and also get serious about subpoenaing Trump's tax returns. At the very least, these were the two things that Cohen was signposting repeatedly during the hearing.

Of course, I'm hoping that we'll also see Trump's SAT scores at some point simply for the lulz.
They're probably inflated anyway. Even if they are on the low side. I've have yet to see any sign of intelligence from him.
I doubt he knows ANYthing.

So ultimately how did this turn out? Bad? Was it a nothing burger? I tried to keep up yesterday but wasn't able to.
Well, this was just Cohen. There is more. So hopefully at the end of it all, the orange fuck goes away.
 
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mrmoose

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Nov 13, 2017
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When I heard him open and say "President Trump is a racist, a conman, and a cheat." I just immediately rolled my eyes and sighed. Not because I disagree, but because I know I just saw the news byte. That's the only thing we'll ever see from the testimony on the news networks who are only interested in sensationalism and not substance
That doesn't seem like a big deal to me. The country is so divided that I highly doubt even watching the totality of this would change many people's minds on Trump. If you didn't think Trump was a racist or liar before, this wouldn't sway you, like the R reps, you'd just argue about Cohen's trustworthiness and completely ignore the fact that his previous lying implicates your hero. If you thought Trump was unfit for office before, well, this didn't really bring up anything you didn't know. The main thing is if they can get some legal traction from this. And maybe the soundbites reach those who are undecided and somehow otherwise ignoring everything that's happening, but I'm not sure how far down the sand your head has to be to have just missed everything that has already happened in this administration.

The Republicans were one-note in their attack on Cohen and their utter lack of even addressing trying to get to the truth, which is disgusting. But I also think the Democrats didn't do themselves many favors by constantly fishing for unrelated things which they had to know would go nowhere. Though I did chuckle that the pee tape got brought up.

The other thing about Cohen being a scum... this is true. However I thought Cummings made a great point about redemption at the end there and that if we don't believe that people can change, then why even bother trying to rehabilitate people or send them to prison? Sure, if he wasn't cast off he's likely have never changed, but if what has happened to him has indeed changed him, then good. He's still going to pay for his crimes (maybe not as much as people would want).
 

Milo Rambaldi

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We already knew that, but is are there going to be any consequences for him?
This line of questioning to ERA is a bit redundant. We don't know. We're not there and we don't make the decisions. Yes, we hope something colossal will come down and squash these republican roaches but this all just happened yesterday. None of us have the answers so everyone will have to wait and see together.
 

Jag

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If you didn't think Trump was a racist or liar before, this wouldn't sway you, like the R reps, you'd just argue about Cohen's trustworthiness and completely ignore the fact that his previous lying implicates your hero. If you thought Trump was unfit for office before, well, this didn't really bring up anything you didn't know.
From what I've read, they know he is a racist and a liar, but he gets their policies done, which is all that matters. They will point to how all politicians do bad things and quote scripture that showed how in ancient times, they worked with bad people to get good things done.

There is no saving the true Trumpers who don't give a shit about the man, just what he can do for their beliefs.
 

Donos

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This has to be satire...

But well, at least one person got persuaded by Trump, that he is the POTUS who has done the most for black people...
 

PeskyToaster

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Everything about the Republican party is so frustratingly hypocritical. Yeah as if any congressperson has a leg to stand on when it comes to book deals.
 

SmiteOfHand

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Everything about the Republican party is so frustratingly hypocritical. Yeah as if any congressperson has a leg to stand on when it comes to book deals.
If I were lazy and pulling from the conservative playbook I would accuse congress of trying to violate someone's freedom of speech by trying to get them under oath say they will not write a book about their experience, but also I'm eating breakfast so you know, got a lot on my plate at the moment.

And if your initial inclination is to think "wait a minute!" to that, there is almost certainly some statute of profiting off crimes concern they could lean on and also not a lawyer and also as mentioned too lazy to suss it out. However this is what actual freedom of speech concerns look like and not because you got yelled at for dropping the N word on the bus.
 
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Rookhelm

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I've noticed a lot of conservatives on my facebook complain about "Politicians" and how "congress" sucks and whatnot...but will only ever call out Democrats when it comes to specific people.
 

SteveWinwood

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As someone who primarily gets his news from NPR, and I listened a bit today, all they seemingly had to play over and over again was the 5 seconds where Michael Cohen called Trump a racist and a bigot.

Why not more clips of actual discussion on the floor, like this? This helps me understand what's going on. A hot clip that loses steam in 10 minutes as soon as they invite multiple republican house members to talk their way around that.. I can only assume television news coverage is worse, as I tend to consider NPR comparatively highly. We really need a revolution in media. I get more out of audio and video of actual government discussions and I bet most people would too. Instead it's like it needs to be softened, dampened, selected into the most cliche and stereotypical partisan statements, throwing the rest into the void.
npr had the whole thing on the radio live where I live

I'm not sure how they could do better than that

there's lots of other stuff to cover sound bites have to end somewhere
 

Creamie

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If the GOP were so concerned with taxpayer money they would be up in arms about the 25% of Trump's presidency staying at one of his private resorts.
 

Steel

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This has to be satire...

But well, at least one person got persuaded by Trump, that he is the POTUS who has done the most for black people...
I mean, she's an employee that willingly works for him.

I still can't wrap my head around Black Republicans who roll deep with obvious racists.
I always get the impression that part of it is feeling like the "model minority" and feeling like they're rebelling against what's expected of them.
 

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This has to be satire...

But well, at least one person got persuaded by Trump, that he is the POTUS who has done the most for black people...
That she isn't claiming to have been the one who came forward and said 'Let me defend him at this hearing' sort of underlines that she was used as a prop. And no matter how smart your are, or how clearly you understand your role, doesn't mean you aren't being used.
 

shtolky

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'I'm tired of politicians who lie and cheat. *beat* I support Donald Trump.'

LOL.

I literally wonder how someone with even a small amount of intelligence (that is, someone who is conscious) can say the above with a straight face. I literally do not understand how one can say this without knowing what a silly contradiction it is. How do they rationalize the lies of Trump? Does she choose to bury her head in the sand? Is she a puppet? Does she honestly believe he doesn't lie and cheat? If so, why? It's like a 4 year old with chocolate on their face and they say I didn't eat the chocolate and you believe them. Either she's evil and is in on all this garbage, or she's being controlled by a tiny alien in her head like Men in Black. I just don't understand it.
 

maxxpower

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Nothing will ever happen to Donald Trump with the GOP holding any kind of power. If Dems held the House and Senate he'd be fucking done, but it's pretty obvious that the GOP is either complicit with Trump or are just hell bent on keeping him in office so they can pass their racist, shitty policies.
 

julian

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We already knew that, but is are there going to be any consequences for him?
So a few things came out, many things we knew but some were just confirmation or hints of where to look. I haven’t read a lot of analysis and I missed more of the hearing than I’d like, but I still caught a few things.

Multiple cases of his charity organization illegally using funds. Republicans wanted to gloss over it, but there were a few examples of blatant illegal activities that frankly shouldn’t be hard to prove. For instance, in one case Michael Cohen found somebody to buy a painting of Trump at an auction, gave the painting to Trump and then was repaid through the charity funds. So they have names, dates and shouldn’t have trouble getting financial records with that testimony (if they haven’t already).

Cohen described how Trump repeatedly avoided taxes, like with his golf courses. Multiple locations came up. Names of people who would have more details came up. Cohen made it clear that this was repeated behavior done across his properties, so expect Dems to start looking into financial records for those places and to interview those people.

Physical evidence of the Stormy payment made during his presidency. Again, illegal. Whether it’s enough to change anything. Who knows.

A story about Trump and Cohen trying to get access to “a treasure trove” of catch and kill stories David Pecker. Will probably lead to Pecker being interviewed.

Trump lied about knowing Russian mobster Felix Sater. Said he wouldn’t even recognize him despite Cohen explaining how that simpossible since not only did Sater have an office on the same floor as Trump, that office later became Cohen’s.

Honestly, there were a lot of little things here and there. Some things that came up were blatantly illegal, but Republicans have done a great job of reframing the whole thing to be about Russian collusion - which Cohen claims he wasn’t directly aware of. Reminder: Clinton was investigated for some real estate deal and was impeached because he lied about a blowjob. Claiming Trump shouldn’t be impeached over any of this is “hilarious”.

Oh, my favorite part, Cohen was unable to talk about his other clients as they are involved in ongoing investigations - translation: Sean Hannity is under investigation.