It's too bad that this piece of shit died before he served his time.
It's extremely depressing how little justice there is in the world.
It's too bad that this piece of shit died before he served his time.
Why is this an issue for you?
"But the rules"
No, why are you so concerned that people are happy he's dead.
Wow... 10 years goes by fast. It really doesn't feel like 10 years has passed.
he was aquitted. And with the recent accusers they would've stood zero chance to win a legal battle.It's too bad that this piece of shit died before he served his time.
Yeah, I would agree. I think the more time has passed, and the more I learn about the history of the allegations, the more certain I am of his innocence
Remember when the boss came up to me to let me know the news.
Can't believe it's been that long and how much changed. It feels longer than that to me.
Seriously. I remember exactly where I was when I first heard the news and it really doesn't feel like it was so long ago.
It's awful takes like this that prevents victims from reporting abuse.
Man, Billy Mays died 10 years ago too. Now that is unbelievable. Where does the time go...
You'd have to be turning a blind eye or ignorant to the extent of what child abuse can be at this point, honestly. The only point of contention is whether he raped them.It's not a take. Since the documentary premiered, I watched it (all 5 hours) and researched more about everything. I think at some point you have to have due diligence and verify what can be verified. From what I know, I don't find them convincing, nor any of the accusations.
I have to imagine some people think that admitting as much means they have to give up his music, which isn't true. Accepting what he may have done and listening to his music aren't mutually exclusive - you can do both. I think some people can't reconcile that.The number of people defending this monster is so fucking depressing.
It's not a take. Since the documentary premiered, I watched it (all 5 hours) and researched more about everything. I think at some point you have to have due diligence and verify what can be verified. From what I know, I don't find them convincing, nor any of the accusations.
We already have one in this threadAlso there are people who staunchly believe none of the accusations are true, so there's that as well.
The line was drawn when many people not believing the documentary were banned. Basically this forum has a policy of believing accusers otherwise you're victim blaming.
When you go from that line making him a "proven" child molester it's only normal/understandable that trashing him is allowed in this thread.
You'd have to be turning a blind eye or ignorant to the extent of what child abuse can be at this point, honestly. The only point of contention is whether he raped them.
I repeat what I just said - it's awful takes like this that keep victims suffering in silence.
Trauma isnt a linear experience. Neither is acceptance of it and certainly not the ability to vocalize it. I would think if you truly watched the documentary you'd see that.
He was very good yet with an unfortunately tarnished legacy (and a tragic upbringing).
.... Makes me think: Janet is totally underrated.
You can not believe as much as you like, there's zero doubt he abused children. He admitted to sleeping in bed with small boys, there's more than enough evidence of his communications with them and his time spent with the family. It's abusive.I don't believe so. I had a complete change of heart. The documentary put me over, but I can't just accept the words of people on faith and not verify what I can. I found a bunch of issues with their stories that swayed me and the issue of the who criminal prosecution being led and propogated by a racist kind of re-contextualizes all of the claims.
Did MJ really have child porn and other sick stuff at neverland?
You can not believe as much as you like, there's zero doubt he abused children. He admitted to sleeping in bed with small boys, there's more than enough evidence of his communications with them and his time spent with the family. It's abusive.
Is this really the guy you guys want to go down defending?For the next 14 weeks the California courthouse became, in the words of the Los Angeles Times, the "intersection between the weird and the weirder", in which the jury were told of pornography found at Jackson's Neverland mansion which he had allegedly used in "grooming" young boys, and of the alcohol which he called "Jesus juice" and encouraged them to drink. Jackson argued that his relationships had been entirely innocent, and thanks to a formidable defence team, he was acquitted on 14 June 2005.
Can you be specific, in what way?I know victims and I don't need you to tell me how to engage with them. Watching the documentary isn't enough for me. I'm sorry if you don't understand or agree with that. I try to examine things on a case by case basis. I wrote in the original thread that I believe that Dr. Ford (the woman who accused Brett kavanaugh of assaulting her) is telling the truth. I believe R. Kelly's victims. I just don't find James' and Wade's stories compelling once you dig through them.
Some might not be ok with that and I get it, but i've had family be accused of false narratives with people lying boldly to people of authority and so I always try to verify what I can when possible. I will listen to victims tell their story, but I think it's bad to not look at whatever evidence is there.
Eish.....that's not a good look thoighThere is one book that's contentious, boys will be boys and another book that I can't remember. Boys will be boys is actually in the national archives and was gifted to him. The argument however is that this is the kind of things pedophiles will want to own because they can get away with it. I find this weak however because if only having 1 or 2 books that aren't illegal to own in a vast library of books consisting of a bunch of content, while Neverland was raided while he was out of the country is all there is, and wasn't sufficient enough evidence to convict him, than I don't think the strength of that accusation holds
He frequently slept in bed with little boys on their own. This is known. That you're taking so much energy to dismiss the window dressing around the obvious is fucking trash. You did it in the documentary thread, you're doing it here. You're incredibly transparent.This is another thing I looked into. For the sleepovers, there would be dozens of kids sleeping in his bed. His niece, nephews and kids who were in Neverland. According to his family and body guard, he would sleep on the floor. You can also hear him say that in the Bashir documentary. When Gavin kept asking MJ to sleep in his bed, he insisted several times he slept on the floor.
It would so be worth a ban. Hypothetically speaking of course.Do you think people would be allowed to celebrate Trump's death in the news thread if he died today?