Michael Moore: ‘Don’t believe the polls, Trump vote is always undercounted’

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Filmmaker Michael Moore said on Thursday that he was wary of polls for the 2020 presidential election which show Donald Trump trailing in the race behind Democratic nominee Joe Biden.
Moore warned that the Trump vote is “always being undercounted” because his supporters are suspicious of the so-called “deep state”.
“It’s awful news that Biden is ahead by seven points in Michigan and I have to fight against this constantly,” said the documentary filmmaker while appearing on Hill.TV.

Moore pointed to a poll from July in Michigan that showed the Democratic challenger leading Mr Trump by 16 points. The 66-year-old filmmaker noted that since then the president has cut that lead in half, suggesting this was the best way to estimate Mr Biden’s support.
“Trump has tightened virtually every one of these swing states to the point where this morning… Biden’s five points ahead in Wisconsin. He’s maybe three points ahead in Florida, two points ahead in Arizona,” said Moore.
“Listen, don’t believe these polls, first of all. And second of all, the Trump vote is always being undercounted. Pollsters when they actually call a real Trump voter, the Trump voter is very suspicious of the ‘deep state’ calling them and asking them who they are voting for,” Moore said.
"It's all fake news to them, remember. It's not an accurate count," the filmmaker said. "I think the safe thing to do, this is not scientific... whatever they're saying the Biden lead is, cut it in half, right now, in your head. Cut it in half, and now you're within the four-point margin of error,” Moore shared, “That’s how desperately close this is.
"And I am going to act every minute of today and the rest of the day until I fall asleep after midnight, I am going to be working to make sure he doesn’t win.”
Moore also referred to Trump as an "evil genius" for his ability to win the election.
“He’s already done it. He’s already fooled everybody and everybody must act right now as if this could happen again. And if it does happen again, game over,” concluded the filmmaker.
Earlier in August, Moore had warned that the incumbent president was on course to repeat the 2016 result. He had said that the enthusiasm for the president in swing states was “off the charts” and urged everyone to commit to getting 100 people to vote.
 

clevbrowns95

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He's using fearmongering and lying to be honest, and it's not even needed this year. People are voting like crazy. Turnout could set records. That doesn't guarantee a Biden win, but if he loses, it won't be because of turnout.
 

Brinbe

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let's just ignore this, eh?


smfh @ the poll shit-talk. trump won by less than 80k across 3 states against a completely hated candidate. nothing about the current situation is at all the same. fuck michael moore.

CUZ YEAH, TRUMPS TOTALLY GONNA WIN WISCONSIN WHILE IT'S OVERRUN BY FUCKING COVID.

just fucking use your brain instead of automatically thinking that the white working class rules everything or will go in a certain direction.


just please stop
 
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RailWays

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"Always," huh? Since when did one occurrence equal a trend?
Also gotta love how these people always ignore 2018
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Wait, what did Michael Moore do or say?
Got a link? I'd like to verify that myself actually.

Fuck this nigga.

 

Nola

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This is what I thought he meant. Did I misunderstand?
No that is what this message is.

He's just pointing out was is entirely reasonable which is that Republicans are more likely to refuse or give false information in polling and that could be skewing the results.

Experts seem to think that isn't the case, and there are other lurking variables to consider that could be offsetting that or creating some polling errors the other way, like happened in 2018.

But message of the story is to go vote! To encourage anyone you know that hasn't voted to go vote!
 

corn_fest

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Completely insane way to interpret the statement that SC population demographics do not match the US as a whole, which is objectively true.
 

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While Michael Moore ain't great (to put it lightly), I do agree that people shouldn't remotely get complacent. People need to vote like their vote is gonna be the deciding one.
 

Brinbe

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While Michael Moore ain't great (to put it lightly), I do agree that people shouldn't remotely get complacent. People need to vote like their vote is gonna be the deciding one.
where is this happening here (as in on era) or anywhere?



absolutely zero people are complacent or ever were post-2016
 

Blader

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Texas early vote has already exceeded its total 2016 vote, largely in Hillary/Beto counties. Dem voters are not being complacent this year.
 

Denman

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You know that quote 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'

.....yeah, I'm looking at your America. (I am duel citizen in Canada, but fuck yes I mailed in my Biden/Harris ballot weeks ago)
 

Maquiladora

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The same Trump supporters that have MAGA in their Twitter handles and post pro Trump stuff all over their Facebook and fly Trump flags from their cars and homes are going to be scared to tell a pollster on the phone that they will be voting for Trump? Huh?
 
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