Michelle Obama #bothsides racism while throwing shade at Rev. Wright

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Quote from her book:

This wasn’t helped by the fact that ABC News had combed through twenty-nine hours of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s sermons, splicing together a jarring highlight reel that showed the preacher careening through callous and inappropriate fits of rage and resentment at white America, as if white people were to blame for every woe. Barack and I were dismayed to see this, a reflection of the worst and most paranoid parts of the man who’d married us and baptized our children. Both of us had grown up with family members who viewed race through a lens of cranky mistrust. I’d experienced Dandy’s simmering resentment over the decades he’d spent being passed by professionally because of his skin color, as well as Southside’s worries that his grandkids weren’t safe in white neighborhoods. Barack, meanwhile, had listened to Toot, his white grandmother, make offhanded ethnic generalizations and even confess to her black grandson that she sometimes felt afraid when running into a black man on the street. We had lived for years with the narrow-mindedness of some of our elders, having accepted that no one is perfect, particularly those who’d come of age in a time of segregation. Perhaps this had caused us to overlook the more absurd parts of Reverend Wright’s spitfire preaching, even if we hadn’t been present for any of the sermons in question. Seeing an extreme version of his vitriol broadcast in the news, though, we were appalled. The whole affair was a reminder of how our country’s distortions about race could be two-sided — that the suspicion and stereotyping ran both ways .


This passage is just disappointing as hell and problematic for many reasons. In 2008 footage of the Obamas' pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons, in which he was critical of the US government and White America in general, leaked and the news media went crazy with it by replaying the clips ad nauseum. Candidate Obama had to play dumb and distance himself from Rev. Wright because White Americans had to feel safe with the Obamas and America loves to dictate who "good" Black public figures can and can't be friends with. Agree with him or not, Barack downplaying his relationship with his pastor of 20 years and pretending he was unaware of Rev's real talk was arguably understandable- attaining the Presidency was at stake.

A decade later, Barack is out of office and Michelle will never run herself... so what's the purpose of a passage like this? If she wanted to talk about the Wright controversy she could have done so without gaslighting the hell out of his and a good chunk of Black America's valid grievances with this nation. In his "God Damn America" sermon, Wright addresses a lot of America's racial fuckery and institutional racism in a *gasp* 'fiery' manner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-AMYos0Js). There's nothing but facts in the sermon but for some reason a Black vet in his 70s calling out America is the same as some dumb racist ass White lady, Obama's grandma, being an asshole that was fearful of Black people.

Further, Michelle Obama has a huge platform and saying something like this gives any willfully ignorant and diet racist Liberal fans of hers a reason to reinforce their problematic behavior when in the face of Black grievances. "The Best Black Woman" just told off a "loud and angry Negro" and dismissed his feelings, however valid they may be. This is such an unforced error and I would never have expected this #bothsides and #notallwhitepeople nonsense from someone like Michelle. Discuss.
 

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"God damn America" was the most truthful thing I've heard in a presidential campaign in my life.
 

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I'm sorry, for I need to see some receipts.

For context, is this the news she/you are talking about?


Is this racist? What she said is racist, are you grasping for low hanging fruits for controversy? Is her stating "our family members view race through a lens of cranky mistrust" a lie, or just a bitter truth that's making you mad?

Curious, because she is not the leader of your country, nor will she ever be in the near future, so her words should not offend you like it is doing.
 

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First, she's not both sidesing racism. Suspicion and stereotyping DO run both ways. She did not say anything about racism against white people, which is different from stereotyping against white people.

Second, has gaslighting just lost all it's fucking meaning? She's not "gaslighting" the hell out of anything. She's explaining her experience in seeing Wrights more inappropriate sermons spliced into a supercut and how it made her think twice about his preaching. Especially against the backdrop of her and Barack's various experiences with both racism against black people and stereotyping white people particularly from their elders.

Maybe read it again?
 

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On June 9, 2009, in an interview with the Daily Press of Newport News, Wright indicated that he hadn't had contact with Obama up to that point because "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office." Wright also suggested that Obama did not send a delegation to the Durban Review Conference in Geneva on racism because of Zionist pressure saying: "[T]he Jewish vote, the A-I-P-A-C vote, that's controlling him, that would not let him send representation to the Durban Review Conference, that's talking this craziness on this trip, cause they're Zionists, they would not let him talk to someone who calls a spade what it is.
 

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This might matter a tiny bit if Michelle hasn’t openly expressed that she has absolutely zero political aspirations going forward because she hates everything about that life.

So what the fuck is this thread.
 

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That passage isn't calling out the speech you linked, though. It's calling out some sort of ABC News "highlight reel", which isn't linked here.

And it's actually deadly obvious that racial stereotyping and distrust goes both ways in America, from an outsider's perspective. I've seen black people say they wouldn't want their children to marry a white person because they'd never understand what being black is like, and even on here there was a thread by someone saying they didn't want to accept help from white people because OP thought white folks were motivated by pity, and condescending, when they offered help. All the "white people" jokes are stereotypes, too.

Your country's just divided and broken to hell and back and it goes both ways to an extent. /shrug
 

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On June 9, 2009, in an interview with the Daily Press of Newport News, Wright indicated that he hadn't had contact with Obama up to that point because "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office." Wright also suggested that Obama did not send a delegation to the Durban Review Conference in Geneva on racism because of Zionist pressure saying: "[T]he Jewish vote, the A-I-P-A-C vote, that's controlling him, that would not let him send representation to the Durban Review Conference, that's talking this craziness on this trip, cause they're Zionists, they would not let him talk to someone who calls a spade what it is.
Yup. Michelle wasn't both-sidesing this, she was being delicate and using mild examples on both sides instead of being explicit.
 

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That passage isn't calling out the speech you linked, though. It's calling out some sort of ABC News "highlight reel", which isn't linked here.

And it's actually deadly obvious that racial stereotyping and distrust goes both ways in America, from an outsider's perspective. I've seen black people say they wouldn't want their children to marry a white person because they'd never understand what being black is like, and even on here there was a thread by someone saying they didn't want to accept help from white people because OP thought white folks were motivated by pity, and condescending, when they offered help. All the "white people" jokes are stereotypes, too.

Your country's just divided and broken to hell and back and it goes both ways to an extent. /shrug
It's important to remember that racism against black people is a very different thing than the stereotyping of white people, but yes there is vitriol that is present in both populations. Those personal experiences obviously informed Michelle and Barack's decisions.
 

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This is a quote from Rev Wright
I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out — did you see him, John? — a white man, he pointed out, ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true — America's chickens are coming home to roost.
This was right after the 9/11 terror attacks.

Is this enough to break civility and tell a poster to go fuck themselves?
 

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It's important to remember that racism against black people is a very different thing than the stereotyping of white people, but yes there is vitriol that is present in both populations. Those personal experiences obviously informed Michelle and Barack's decisions.
Yes, that's why I didn't call it racism and why it goes for both sides "to an extent". Thanks for clarifying, I mean it.

It obviously isn't equivalent, far from it, but the vitriol is there.
 

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You're an idiot. The dude is a fucking nut ball conspiracy theorist and anti-semite. Of course they needed to distance themselves from him.
 

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You know when your pastor or deacon is crazy
It's wild to think that a lot of young people in 2018 never had an over the line pastor cause they never actually had a pastor, so they've probably never had the experience of going "oh shit this guy's gone WAY too far but I'm here for the next 2 hours at least"
 

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White people don't expect black people to be resentful at all for the centuries of shit that has been done to them.
 

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You know when your pastor or deacon is crazy
It's wild to think that a lot of young people in 2018 never had an over the line pastor cause they never actually had a pastor, so they've probably never had the experience of going "oh shit this guy's gone WAY too far but I'm here for the next 2 hours at least"
Yeah and they actually know this guy personally. Even as a regular churchgoer you familarize yourself with the pastor enough to where you can tell he's on some nonsense
 

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This passage is just disappointing as hell and problematic for many reasons. In 2008 footage of the Obamas' pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons, in which he was critical of the US government and White America in general, leaked and the news media went crazy with it by replaying the clips ad nauseum. Candidate Obama had to play dumb and distance himself from Rev. Wright because White Americans had to feel safe with the Obamas and America loves to dictate who "good" Black public figures can and can't be friends with. Agree with him or not, Barack downplaying his relationship with his pastor of 20 years and pretending he was unaware of Rev's real talk was arguably understandable- attaining the Presidency was at stake.

A decade later, Barack is out of office and Michelle will never run herself... so what's the purpose of a passage like this? If she wanted to talk about the Wright controversy she could have done so without gaslighting the hell out of his and a good chunk of Black America's valid grievances with this nation. In his "God Damn America" sermon, Wright addresses a lot of America's racial fuckery and institutional racism in a *gasp* 'fiery' manner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-AMYos0Js). There's nothing but facts in the sermon but for some reason a Black vet in his 70s calling out America is the same as some dumb racist ass White lady, Obama's grandma, being an asshole that was fearful of Black people.

Further, Michelle Obama has a huge platform and saying something like this gives any willfully ignorant and diet racist Liberal fans of hers a reason to reinforce their problematic behavior when in the face of Black grievances. "The Best Black Woman" just told off a "loud and angry Negro" and dismissed his feelings, however valid they may be. This is such an unforced error and I would never have expected this #bothsides and #notallwhitepeople nonsense from someone like Michelle. Discuss.
You easily could've squeezed more than four phrases overused in internet discussions in there.
 

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/examining_the_united_church_of.html

The web sites of Rev. Wright's Trinity Church and the national body to which it belong stand in shocking contrast. Before the Trinity site was sanitized in early 2008, its material seethed with racial animus and hostility towards America. It described itself as "Afrocentric"; its motto was "Unashamedly Black, Unapologetically Christian." Its quasi-literate foundational document, "The Black Value System," devoted much more attention to blackness than to Christianity. It is the manifesto of a church for people of the black race, designed to be an "instrument of Black self-determination." Blacks were depicted as a race apart-the scurrilous perspective that pervaded Rev. Wright's April 27 Detroit speech, in which he contended that blacks and whites had completely different brain structures, one left-dominant, the other right-dominant. This is nothing more than an updated version of the pseudo-science once used to defend segregation in the Jim Crow South.

He's a fucking racist OP.
 

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The framing of this thread and the argument it attempts to articulate seems inaccurate and a meaningful conversation will not play out on these terms.
 
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