people just don't appreciate that she is buddy buddy with a war criminal, is not too hard to understand.
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Michelle Obama on her bond with George W. Bush: "Our values are the same"
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It is. Comparing starting an illegal war on lies that heavily destabilized a region and ended in the deaths of thousands to wanting a powerful man to be held even somewhat accountable for that.
Yeah I mean there's not much she can personally do and I'm not mad at her for being courteous to him at official functions but she also doesn't need to carry water for him outside of that shit
You can hold whatever position you want. You don't get to scream, or whatever the fuck you meant to convey with that all caps post, at others who choose not to cancel Bush. You wouldn't do that shit to me or Michelle in real life, I guarantee you that.
I do like how everyone is just casually ignoring the post where someone says Obama is a war criminal, but "ironically Trump is not"
People sure do love to sprout "Donald the Dove" shit unironically around here recently.
People sure do love to sprout "Donald the Dove" shit unironically around here recently.
On that same token, you don't get to excuse what he did by bringing ''nuance'' to try and rationalise the discussion here, hence my all caps post.
It's almost like many just want to ignore that the guy started a forever war with false pretences. Which his successor did little to almost nothing to deescalate.
Whatever bruv..we've said our peace.
And yeah, i would do that to you or Michelle, spare me the internet tough guy bullshit. "Guarantee" lmfao
Damn, Surrender Dorothy wrote a post in caps. Almost as bad aa destroying a region of the Middle East and killing a million people. Glad to see that you're reserving your ire for people who aren't civil enough, as opposed to say War Criminals and those who defend them. Glad your priorities are straight.
Bush gets to lead a happy life of comfort and luxury after his war crimes. He isn't entitled to be famously loved and adored by everyone
typing in all caps, the true war crime I see, good to see you finally being offended about something
Ok, Donald Trump is a war criminal and that poster is wrong for saying otherwise. Who cares about that one poster? Thread's moving so fast I didn't even see him till you pointed it out.
Definitely disagree with Michele comments however her and her husband did great things for America and are a shining example to admire.
Bush is still awful.
Bush is still awful.
At this accelerated rate of global condemnation I'm taking bets: What's the over-under for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to be officially declared a garbage trash boomer nazi by our community? 2021, 2023? Bettors, bare in mind that Michelle Obama went from being practically universally beloved and defended here, to being loudly despised in a matter of ~30 months in which she spent almost all of that time as a private citizen mostly out of the public eye, save for scattered interviews and formal public appearances.
Michelle Obama's charges are thus:
Michelle Obama's charges are thus:
- She shared candy once with George W. Bush at a funeral, so by the laws of war-crimes-electricity-rule, she ate war crime candy and is thus guilty
- She's married to Barack Obama, and so as we know, war crimes are shared like sexually transmitted viruses, so at least 30-40% of her cells have drone program virus DNA in them
- Famed public policy and social commentary periodical PEOPLE MAGAZINE wrote a supposed-to-be-feel-good-nonsense-throwaway-article about her where they mentioned her congeniality with George W. Bush, the former face of the Republican Party, at a time when partisan antipathy is highest in nearly 150 years in an obvious attempt (to anybody who lets their brain work before their mouth makes sounds or their fingers start typing letters) to show how the current face of the Republican Party, Donald Trump is incapable of finding common ground among his political opponents. Mrs. Obama, nee' Robinson, presented a fairly parochial milquetoast appraisal of why she and Pres. Bush occasionally share candy together at funerals. While being a vixen to war criminals is grievous, this is certainly her highest offense.
yeah...most people should be old enough to remember how despised Bush was especially nearing the end of his term. domestic (the extreme expansion of the security state, the botching of katrina, etc), foreign (literally everything he did minus aid to African countries that you can honestly look at as a PR move) all democrats were chanting "never again" and now we're here.
when asked to keep that same energy folks can't do it now that the PR machine has been in full swing and one of the democrats idols is friends with him. folks really aint about shit.
Yup, it's funny seeing a bunch of white people cancel the Black First Family. Fuck outta here. She's friends with him, what's the big deal?
POC erasure, literally. Hope you feel good about it.
We're all just a bunch of "white people" huh..
Have you forgotten the thread where Chelsea Clinton was getting "screamed" at by a young muslim woman after the NZ mosque massacre
Its really sad that people like you treat the death of a million people like a joke. I guess that the deaths of iraqis is just "haha cancel culture" now.
So what do you say about the black people in here who are against her statement?
You can be against her statement and not say shit like "Go away Michelle". Bush sucked, and I don't agree with her. But this doesn't stain her legacy at all IMO.
Yea, I do considering it's been the recent view of a mod that Trump hasn't been a disaster for the world and was literally spouting "Donald the Dove" propaganda, which in the recent context of people calling Obama a fucking war criminal is starting to look extremely suspect.
I'm actually pretty interested on where this whole "Obama is a war criminal" thing started. Cause like six months ago it was pretty much fringe and would have been laughed out of a thread, now it's like anyone who wants to be seen needs to say it.
The takes on that thread were just as terrible here too iirc. Damn.
Nah, I can tell her to gtfo just fine. What's with the appeal for civility here?
I'm Asian and multiple black people are in this thread are opposing her saying this. What's with this awful attempt to classify this as "racism"?
Seems more and more "cancel" is just a deflection so people can ignore criticisms.
How can she hold him accountable in a dignified way becoming her station as a former first lady and would not be against her faith?
She said she bonded with him over their children and family and that with regards to love and compassion, (likely implied from what she learned as they discussed their family) their values are the same.
I'm not defending George Bush. That's not prerogative. I'm defending Michelle literally preaching and practicing "love thy neighbor."
what a long comment for something that could be resumed as "lol triggered snowflakes". Just say what you really want to say
I'm taking the over, but only because 2022 is just too soon
IE: "Wow someone took effort into their post that I disagree with, lol better shit post!"
More and more I'm being proven by some that politics are purely aesthetic.
And that's bloody disappointing.
To even suggest that this plays into "cancel culture", again, ignoring the dynamics at play here, says quite a lot
And that's bloody disappointing.
To even suggest that this plays into "cancel culture", again, ignoring the dynamics at play here, says quite a lot
this thread and the amount of people prioritizing "civility" over human lives are something else
The official policy of the George W. Bush administration was to torture enemy prisoners. Literally torture.
The onus is absolutely on Michelle Obama to hold him accountable. There's no debate about whether or not torture is wrong. There's no debate about intentionally fabricating intelligence to lie America into a war for oil, one which cost thousands of American lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and which left the entire region destabilized. I wouldn't associate with someone who had been involved in these things.
Both Bush and Barack Obama should be in the Hague, if we're being honest.
BTW, George W. Bush is absolutely going to be known in the history books as a war criminal. Aside from a few centrists who have tried to rehabilitate his image, he is despised by most Democrats, and by his own party even more so. He was a worse president than Donald Trump has been so far.
Some members here will continue to wonder why we're pissed off tho.
As if to suggest the answer isn't staring at them right in the face..
As someone from Afghanistan who has lost his father and knows relatives of friends die due to the drones or had their surrounding destroyed in the war, and my best friend being from Iraq who has lost his dad and uncle both in the war, it's always interesting how I see people cover for the obamas... they always try to say something about how she's the first black lady so if you criticize her it shows racism? They go on to say how Obama's hands were tied and it's more nuanced than him just simply droning civilians in my country. Like, there are so many other great black leaders in America you can put on a pedestal and look up to, not sure why people are willing to take a bullet for the obamas, because at the end of the day they are another example of the upper class elite who will walk all over you when the time comes.
Lemme know when AOC starts saying her and W share the same values and I'll call her out on that shit too.
You guys really can't stand when someone who you admire says some dumb shit huh
You guys really can't stand when someone who you admire says some dumb shit huh
It's like out of all of the existential problems humanity is dealing with the only one rich people can agree on facing is the rehabilitation of George Bush's image.
It's not a good look, but it's not even close to staining her legacy for me personally, especially considering who's currently in office.
Was Barack perfect?? Fuck no. His foreign policy was shit. But he also did a lot of good that I'm not going to overlook.
Michelle?? Fuck no.
This could be true, but it doesn't seem like either of them are running for office or on a rehab tour and none of this is new news. So, I guess I still don't understand the vitriol in this thread? I expected more "yeah, they've been close for a while TBE," than this.
Tone policing progressives that want to bring up the effect establishment democrats have had on brown lives.
its all they got man. you're either a racist or a sexist. black folks and honestly oppressed people in general are being used more as a shield to just bat any all criticism rather than honestly look at how business is being done.
who the hell cares if you're the "first black family" if youre part of the problem. people understand this when grifters like diamond and silk get propped up by conservatives but when its people on "our side" theyre beyond approach.
it seems like a lot of folks dont really care about stopping the abusers of power, just as long as they look like them its all good
The line is now set at May 13, 2023.
Reason for moving the line:
- Three bets on the over
- The hilariously stupid implication that pointing out the ridiculousness of our hyperbolically negative opinion on Michelle Obama is "taking the deaths of 1million Iraqis as a joke." That stretch of the imagination alone is worth at least 6 months to the over. Michelle Obama was first lady and her Husband oversaw a CIA drone program and was president during two wars that he inherited from his predecessor, but that does not make her guilty of "deaths of a million people," despite that her and her husband did likely have sex at least once.
- Mouth-agape, saliva-dripping retort of "lol triggered snowflakes" has adjusted the over by 9 hours.
Hey, if AOC starts covering for Bush or Trump, I will call her out to. Because I don't tie my politics to a person then pretend that person is always right.
Love thy neighbor is not "Pretend the crime didn't happen".
Actually, now that I think about it the odds of AOC and Ted Cruz having lunch together and being seen is more likely in the next few years, but I'm still committed to the over.
Condolences to your father and everyone else who've been effected in this stupid war, I'm sorry that you have to witness people here continue to defend their favourite politicians because they refuse to understand just how much damage they did.
I've known people who were affected by Afghanistan and Iraq, hence my anger here at the dismissals from other members.
Thanks for offering your perspective, it's needed sometimes, hopefully it grounds those who refuse to understand and maybe they'll actually receive why we're so pissed off here.
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