Microsoft has done flawlessly in recent memory; and done nothing but champion gamers and the gaming community. Microsoft deserve to by lauded and celebrated. Their product line and it's features are sublime. I only wish I had enough disposable income at the moment to get a xb1x!
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Microsoft has made a number of pro consumer moves since the start of the generation
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Okay it's a failed business decision
But why not reimbursed them people.
For example people who were forced to buy a Xbox One with Kinect then they decided to sell it separately without Kinect. Why not give these people the option to return their Kinect and get their money back they paid extra for Kinect.
Or give people are refund who bought Xbox for Kinect let them return the entire system and Kinect as they didn't go all in with their promise of Kinect being the main focus.
Business changes but atleast don't let your customers oat the price of the wrong decision.
They tried and the market answered. Kinect was supported with multiple games in the XB1 launch window and the games failed and XB1 hardware wasn't moving.
Compare that to Move which wasn't given any support outside a streaming app and a game that has since moved to being controller based and endlessly delayed as well. Both companies broke a promise, but Sony didn't even try.
Also Fable is in development, Phantom Dust still isn't officially cancelled (and got a free remaster) and Scalebound was given ample time before being cancelled.
Be careful man you're playing with fire, cakely might take your post a bit too personal for some strange reason like the previous title.
When this gen started, Xbox was a clusterfuck so I went in hard on PS4 and I've got a whole bunch of games for it. I got the xbox S basically for 4K bluray with the bonus of some exclusives, and I have very few games for it.
Microsoft ended up course correcting hard though and little by little over the years I've gotten more and more annoyed with stick in the mud Sony. The Fortnite thing is really small potatoes overall and I'm not all that bothered, but it's sort of the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Xbox just keeps making choices that make me happier than I'm seeing from Sony, and with better support and infrastructure.
I managed to get a new X for ~$350 recently and I plan to start buying all my multiplats on X. I switched my preorders over. The only things that really hurt in the transition are a couple multiplayer games that may cause me to continue paying for PS+, when I'd rather only pay for one online service at a time.
Still prefer the PS4 as a console. I like the interface waaay better, the OS runs a lot smoother and the game capture experience is easier and better. Xbox is cluttered and a little janky but I'll deal with it because I just like how they're running things these days. I don't agree with all of their choices and not everything is sunshine and rainbows with Xbox but I appreciate a lot of what they've been doing. Win10 crossbuy and backwards compatibility are game changers.
Microsoft ended up course correcting hard though and little by little over the years I've gotten more and more annoyed with stick in the mud Sony. The Fortnite thing is really small potatoes overall and I'm not all that bothered, but it's sort of the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Xbox just keeps making choices that make me happier than I'm seeing from Sony, and with better support and infrastructure.
I managed to get a new X for ~$350 recently and I plan to start buying all my multiplats on X. I switched my preorders over. The only things that really hurt in the transition are a couple multiplayer games that may cause me to continue paying for PS+, when I'd rather only pay for one online service at a time.
Still prefer the PS4 as a console. I like the interface waaay better, the OS runs a lot smoother and the game capture experience is easier and better. Xbox is cluttered and a little janky but I'll deal with it because I just like how they're running things these days. I don't agree with all of their choices and not everything is sunshine and rainbows with Xbox but I appreciate a lot of what they've been doing. Win10 crossbuy and backwards compatibility are game changers.
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They are the only company charging a online fee for F2P games
You can play Fortnite for free right now on iOS, Android, Laptop, PC, Switch and PS4.
But in Xbox you need Gold subscription
That is one of the most anti consumer policies right now.
Dunno, I'd say holding your account and purchases (even if made on another platform) hostage is more anti consumer than a paywall for on online game, but that's just me
Go easy. He just as upset with incorrect thread titles relating to Sony.
I can't think of a company out there that would ever do that.
Consumers understood what they were buying. That is the risk of being an early adopter.
I was an early adopter, and I knew what I was getting into. I still use my Kinect to this day. I don't mind that I got it with my purchase.
Atleast Sony didn't backtrack. They didn't promise cross play with Xbox before you bought a PS4.
Microsoft promised VR before you bought a Xbox One X
Kinect being fully part of Xbox ecosystem when you bought a Xbox One
Promised Scalebound, Fable Legends, Phantom Dust before you bought a Xbox One.
Promised Power of the Cloud
The the turnaround has been impressive. I've never seen a console manufacturer correct course this quickly, and a lot of it has to do with the executive reorg over at Microsoft in the last several years (and then Myerson leaving). It's like the stars are in alignment over at Xbox right now, making it a good time to be an Xbox user, and the platform will look even more enticing over the next few years. I don't see that changing at all.
What is this nonsense, seriously? You expect companies to reimburse people for bad decisions? This is not DisneyLand.
People were not forced to buy the Xbox One with Kinect because they were not forced to buy the Xbox in the first place. Which they didn't, hence the backtracking in their decision.
As far as I am aware, Kinect was not their main focus but that depends on the interpretation you had from their marketing efforts. Either way, you cannot return something purely because a promise was not full-filled. You bought the Xbox One with Kinect at launch and got what was advertised. Period.
You have no how much a wrong decision can cost a company. MS lost much more than just money.
Sony backtracked on the Vita which probably "beats" any of those "anti-consumer" things you listed.
The reality is, you want system wars while blatantly throwing the word anti-consumer to cover your arguments. Ridiculous.
Very true and Agent as well but I'll let Agent sldie as it was only showing once and was a logo.
But Sony took the piss with Last Guardian on PS3. Luckily they had a stellar exclusive line up anyways but that still doesn't change the fact they advertised and teased a game coming for PS3 and it didn't come.
Microsoft pissed many oepeop up this gen stating they are investing in first party when it didn't happen. Now they are saying they have for next gen lol from this E3. They advertised Phantom Dust and released a CG trailer without telling the Devs to bolster their lineup. Fable Legends and Scalebound got cancelled. And Crackdown with the cool power of the cloud that they kept going on about has still not released and we still haven't seen any use of this power of the cloud.
All I'm saying is many people who bought a Xbox with all these thes games to look forward to probably felt like they got shafted. If people knew there games were not coming they pro8 wouldn't have bought a Xbox or if they already had one may have sold it off earlier.
Yeah Im pissed about the Vits
Remember Yoshida saying they didn't want to make mistake of not supporting Vita and having content always coming. They didn't even have a real Gran Tursimo on it. Support was terrible don't get me started on the Bioshock game
Anyways why are people getting off topic thought this was about Xbox?
Feel like when the gen moves on ppl really forget about the past for the most part.
Credit to Sony tho. They did release it eventually. And they allowed Driveclub to see it's full potential for the people that invested in it, before shuttering Evolution.
Microsoft have stressed - and proven - time and time again that they believe in giving people options. Giving people options is pro-consumer, and covering all the bases also benefits Microsoft. They are not siphoning anyone down a single path, they are working on new consoles, and their actual software sales have increased after the introduction of Game Pass. So it seems that they can basically both have the cake, and eat it, yet you want us to believe that they will just abandon all the possible additional revenue streams in pursuit of some singular authoritarian vision? And open themselves up to another disaster? Because when you treat people poorly, a competitor who treats them less poorly will quickly rise in popularity, that's just how that works.
The differences between what Sony and Microsoft are doing are just in your perspective, you choose how you want to see those things, and what meaning you want to assign to them. That's not necessarily how it really is, and how either party is going to be behaving in reality. As I was saying earlier, it seems to me that you are being very selective about how you approach facts, and you are spinning them in a way that suits the narrative you're already convinced is the real truth. What we are plainly seeing is that Microsoft is doing a number of very pro-consumer things, and Sony is, frankly, once again behaving like a big bully who puts their own interests before everything else, BUT... That's because Microsoft in fact has a devious plan, and they're just trying to deceive everyone? I don't know what to tell you, that sounds a lot like a delusion to me, you know? I'm not going to tell you what to believe, but what I am going to say is that you can't treat that as a fact, and expect others to share in what is basically a paranoid fantasy.
You can keep literally everything in the OP and I'll stick with good current gen games.
lol this is amusing, especially coming from a gaming focused message board. PS3 cost like $800 to make and Sony had free online for the entire generation.
I bet if one of the console manufacturers announced that for next gen they were stuffing $800 worth of hardware into a $600 box and it also had free online for the entire gen people here would be all over it.
Agreeing with one post doesn't mean automatically agreeing with all posts by someone in a thread. The initial list and overall critique had some good points that there was no reason to discount all of, like some were doing.
For example since it doesn't fit the current BC narrative many love to leave out that this is only the first generation that Playstation hasn't offered BC and they talk about it like they've never done BC before. They've had complete BC on multiple systems prior to PS4 and more completely in the past than Microsoft has been able to offer so far. You could use pretty much every single PS1 or PS2 disc on PS2 and PS3 (first versions) and digital purchases that were compatible (or could be re-licensed) carried over even on their portables. They were also among the first to offer cross-purchases where if you bought any of the PS3/Vita/PS4 version you got all of them. Xbox is not the only one that's ever offered BC that didn't require re-purchase before.... And just because it's not on PS4 doesn't mean it won't be there for PS5 since PS5 will presumably stay on x86 like the PS4.
This.
Completely agree Hex.
This.
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There's nothing wrong with calling out Sony and Nintendo for their shit regardless of their library.
I see. My bad.
PS3 Backwards Compatibility isn't mentioned much, because it required specific launch models that cost $500 and up. That's because Sony's BC solution (of course being the only one truly available to them at the time) was to stick a PS2 inside the PS3. When it came time to cut the price of the PS3, backwards compatibility was the first thing to go. The overwhelming majority of PS3 owners never had the chance to experience PS3 backwards compatibility, outside of having the opportunity to repurchase a handful of those games digitally.
I think that that push for BC at PS3's launch might indicate that Sony would have opted for PS3 BC if not for the technological barriers involved, but it could have also been how they intended to retain players who had invested heavily into the PS2, the world's most successful console. At any rate, I do see Sony opting for PS4 BC with PS5 - or, more accurately, I can't imagine Sony opting against PS4 BC with PS5, because in this digital age, it is not unreasonable for consumers to expect their media to carry forward.
I agree they are making pretty cool decisions. Even though I won't be getting an Xbox anytime soon, maybe next gen, I have subscribed to gamepass for my computer. Looking forward to their games too which has honestly been awhile.
You should carefully re-read my previous posts in this thread if you're under the mistaken impression that I'm upset.
Agreed on that, but I wouldn't compromise good games for secondary features.
I gotta hand it to Microsoft, they have been doing a number of great moves as of recently.
If Street Fighter VI (whenever it happens) ends up on the next Xbox, I may consider jumping ship from Sony.
If Street Fighter VI (whenever it happens) ends up on the next Xbox, I may consider jumping ship from Sony.
Yea, it's true. I would say its a larger platform move towards agnosticism and not just on the Xbox brand. As they see great benefit in it, but they are certainly putting others to shame. I'm ecstatic that they are moving in this direction though, as at the end of the day. I just want to be able to play to play my purchased games, with my friends, on whatever system I own. I know there's limitations, but the goal is to remove barriers to play, not add new ones.
Whoa. Was my post incendiary or something? I own all three consoles and was commenting on my experience. Some of my favorite games this gen are PS or Switch exclusives. My point was given the moves MS has made I decided to make all my multiplat purchases there. It affords me the best performance, crossplay where available, a solid network infrastructure, and I'm more confident in my purchases working down the line through BC next gen.
Point being: their pro-consumer attitude has earned them a new client in me, and they're getting all of my spending outside of exclusives for the moment.
It's only a "paranoid fantasy" if you completely disregard the fact they they've already shown their hand and revealed their goals for the industry and their place in it. Some of y'all are convinced the intent has changed. All I'm doing is pointing at what they are doing and saying "hey this patchy hey are charging full steam ahead down leads to the same scenario that folks took s o much umbrage witha few years back." If you think that's paranoid then we have very different definitions of the word.