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Microsoft joins group that would prevent lawsuits against companies causing climate change (With support from WWF).

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https://www.theguardian.com/technol...group-seeking-to-avoid-climate-change-lawsuit

Microsoft has joined a conservative-led group that demands fossil fuel companies be granted legal immunity from attempts to claw back damages from the climate change they helped cause.

The stated goals of the Climate Leadership Council (CLC) include a $40-a-ton fee on carbon dioxide emissions in return for the gutting of current climate change regulations and “protecting companies from federal and state tort liability for historic emissions”.
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Microsoft has said it was motivated to join the CLC due to its support for a price on carbon, which it has backed in Washington state and sees as a key method to drive down emissions. The tech company already charges itself an internal $15-a-ton carbon fee on everything from employee travel to electricity used on its premises. By next year, Microsoft expects its data centers will use 60% renewable energy.

“We are getting extremely impatient, frankly, for policy action on climate change,” Lucas Joppa, chief environmental officer at Microsoft, told the Guardian. “We support a carbon fee because we believe it’s a policy mechanism that works and accords with economic principles. For us, joining the CLC gives us the opportunity to have this debate at a federal level.”

Joppa would not be drawn, however, on Microsoft’s support for the idea of handing legal immunity to fossil fuel producers. “There are a lot of details involved and we are interested in being part of the conversation,” he said. “The devil is in the detail. We are looking to take an inclusive approach. We need to transition away from the use of fossil fuels but that isn’t going to happen without the inclusion of the fossil fuel sector.
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Makes the decision to not buy their next console really easy.
 
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That's really fucked up.

That would actually put me off buying any Microsoft product/service. Including the new Xbox.
 
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Yes, lets ignore the fact that Microsoft has the cleanest datacenters in the world and is the only company with 100% carbon neutral datacenters. This was all the way back in 2016.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-...uture-microsofts-commitment-renewable-energy/

They are also working to convert all of them to run on renewable energy sources.

But instead, lets focus on them joining a bullshit corporate group mainly to protect themselves from lawsuits related to previous years of carbon emissions output.
 
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This is a real shame. I guess it’s not really that surprising considering how massive of a corporation they are, but it still sucks.

If you want to be able to knowingly contribute to climate change, then you should have to deal with the consequences of doing so.
 

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YuriLowell said:
Don't worry I'm sure a corporate apologist will be in here soon enough to defend this.
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ForgedByGeeks said:
Yes, lets ignore the fact that Microsoft has the cleanest datacenters in the world and is the only company with 100% carbon neutral datacenters. This was all the way back in 2016.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-...uture-microsofts-commitment-renewable-energy/

They are also working to convert all of them to run on renewable energy sources.

But instead, lets focus on them joining a bullshit corporate group mainly to protect themselves from lawsuits related to previous years of carbon emissions output.
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It took just one post
 
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Am I reading this correctly? Some Enviro orgs are backing this too?

Aside from Microsoft, the CLC’s member companies include Unilever, Pepsico and Johnson & Johnson. A handful of environmental organizations also back the plan, including WWF and the Nature Conservancy.
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Our full speed Sprint towards ecological ruin may at least provide a cautionary tale for a future rebuilding society.
 
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Our political system is completely fucked. The electorate pushes for more corporate responsibility on emissions and they can just pay for immunity and carry on.

Not meaning to resort to whataboutism, i’m genuinely curious; What are Sony & Nintendo’s attitudes towards climate change?
 
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at this point, this is basically climate genocide. what a fucking horrible piece of shit company.
 

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The World Wildlife Fund being on that list is weird as fuck. I guess whatever’s behind the initials, fuck the WWF
 
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ForgedByGeeks said:
Yes, lets ignore the fact that Microsoft has the cleanest datacenters in the world and is the only company with 100% carbon neutral datacenters. This was all the way back in 2016.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-...uture-microsofts-commitment-renewable-energy/

They are also working to convert all of them to run on renewable energy sources.

But instead, lets focus on them joining a bullshit corporate group mainly to protect themselves from lawsuits related to previous years of carbon emissions output.
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What the fuck? Yes, let's.
 
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gamesndames said:
Am I reading this correctly? Some Enviro orgs are backing this too?
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The group is actually tring to do some good stuff, it seems:
The CLC is lobbying Congress for a gradually rising tax on CO2 emissions, with the proceeds returned directly to Americans
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It's just that they also want to be inmune from past things they did. In other words, they want to fix the issue they helped create, but be inmune to any legal proceeding as stated in the OP.
 
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ForgedByGeeks said:
Yes, lets ignore the fact that Microsoft has the cleanest datacenters in the world and is the only company with 100% carbon neutral datacenters. This was all the way back in 2016.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-...uture-microsofts-commitment-renewable-energy/

They are also working to convert all of them to run on renewable energy sources.

But instead, lets focus on them joining a bullshit corporate group mainly to protect themselves from lawsuits related to previous years of carbon emissions output.
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Microsoft, along with every company in this group, make enough profits that they could easily curb most of the effects of climate change.
Instead, they choose to protect share holders.
That's not fucked up to you?
 
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This doesn't affect my decision of whether or not to buy their products, but it really makes me think about the power these corporations have.
 
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I think people should read the article instead of drive by posting.

Microsoft has said it was motivated to join the CLC due to its support for a price on carbon, which it has backed in Washington state and sees as a key method to drive down emissions. The tech company already charges itself an internal $15-a-ton carbon fee on everything from employee travel to electricity used on its premises. By next year, Microsoft expects its data centers will use 60% renewable energy.
“We are getting extremely impatient, frankly, for policy action on climate change,” Lucas Joppa, chief environmental officer at Microsoft, told the Guardian. “We support a carbon fee because we believe it’s a policy mechanism that works and accords with economic principles. For us, joining the CLC gives us the opportunity to have this debate at a federal level.”
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It sounds like Microsoft has other motivations for joining, while I can't get behind the legal immunity aspect this will make it easier to bring things up at a federal level to protect the environment.
 
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Just love how nobody here except Cranster actually reads the article and OP does not bother including the relevant parts because there is console war to be waged

PITCHFORKS READY EVERYONE
 
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Wait, what?

Does Bill Gates not have any say on this anymore? isn't he pretty pro environment and all about the climate change awareness?
 
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