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Microsoft Studios |OT3| I thought they were supposed to be sold off by now

vorimenn

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Jul 28, 2018
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After the comments made by Obsidian a while ago about how Microsoft were looking to acquire studios and how their acquisition wasn't announced at E3, today's news that Pillars 2 only sold about 100000 copies seems to be the reason why this time they said yes.

I'm happy about the acquisition, assuming it'll get a confirmation soon, but it's a shame it had to happen this way.
Where did you read this?
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,179
I love your optimist, hopefully you are right.

I used to be like you, quite optimistic overall on all things xbox, but this gen has made me "burned" out, so I have quite a hard time hyping myself out.

Show me Persona, Catherine and Yakuza and I will be set for months... until the shenmue 3 timed deal is over.
I actually was very cynical for a long time and Scalebound made me get a PC and PS4. I haven't used my XB1 in nearly 2 years.

A part of me is having fun here, but I'm genuinely optimistic based on what I've seen and heard.

But if it's been done and they didn't launch this year, they must have a real lack of confidence in it, even launching it into Game Pass. They thought it would get buried in the back half of this year and moved it to next year. Then they thought it would get buried on February 22, so they basically lied and said they never gave it a date.
That's one way to look at it, but Phil said he decided to give it more time because, while it looked good, it didn't feel like a proper Crackdown game, so they put it back in the oven a bit longer.

To me, that speaks to how much they value the IP and how confident they are it can be done.

So Joseph Staten on the stage floor? That's cool, I miss hearing him talk, he's very charming. I'm hoping for a Grunt impression.
I wish he had joined 343i and sorted their shit out. I'd feel much better about Halo if he was still in charge.
 
Aug 3, 2018
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You just have to be realistic. It will be much harder for Xbox to acquire those type of games.
I see a better chance for Scarlet to get more proper Japanese support. Seeing as it is a clean slate for a new generation and I fully expect Xbox to be much closer to Sony with a successful launch.
Considering these are exactly the games Spencer talked about that we didn't get yet... it's not that impossible.

But if you read my post you will see that I'm not expecting them Saturday.
 
May 17, 2018
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Where did you read this?
Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):



Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Edit: he found this too, but once he closed it and tried to reopen it, it was showing PC instead of Xbox One. I couldn't replicate it.

 
Oct 28, 2017
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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.

If netflix owned Banjo there would be a 6 season netflix exclusive tvshow by now, it would probably be below average but at least it would exist.

Find it hard to believe there is no talent to make a banjo game.

Also Banjo's gameplay has not aged poorly. If you tighten up the responsiveness of the controls and other issues it plays just as smooth as any modern mario game.

Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
Was there not an interview months ago where Obsidian said they were open to being acquired?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):



Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Edit: he found this too, but once he closed it and tried to reopen it, it was showing PC instead of Xbox One. I couldn't replicate it.

thats a good name, make a topic on it
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,897
UK
Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.

If netflix owned Banjo there would be a 6 season netflix exclusive tvshow by now, it would probably be below average but at least it would exist.

Find it hard to believe there is no talent to make a banjo game.

Also Banjo's gameplay has not aged poorly. If you tighten up the responsiveness of the controls and other issues it plays just as smooth as any modern mario game.
Xbox division has been in a funny spot for some years though. They wouldn't have had the budget to do Banjo justice with a AAA game, because they know it wouldn't be a massive seller (albeit platformers seem to be more popular again now) compared to their bankable franchises. And making a B-tier Banjo game would result in far more backlash than not making one at all. When you have a shoestring budget, you have to take these choices.

But now, between the success of Crash and Xbox's significantly increased first party budget, there at least now stands a chance of it happening again - but still, the right team has to develop it. And the right team might not be available right now.
 
May 17, 2018
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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.

If netflix owned Banjo there would be a 6 season netflix exclusive tvshow by now, it would probably be below average but at least it would exist.

Find it hard to believe there is no talent to make a banjo game.

Also Banjo's gameplay has not aged poorly. If you tighten up the responsiveness of the controls and other issues it plays just as smooth as any modern mario game.


Was there not an interview months ago where Obsidian said they were open to being acquired?
Maybe. The one I'm referring to came out shortly after the Stormlands story was revealed. The consensus at the time was that they would not work again with Microsoft. Then I guess life happened.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
Yup makes a lot of sense.

When your game sells that poorly something has to give. I guess MS doesn't mind taking on games that don't sell too hot, as they will just stick it on Game Pass anyways.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Sitting on Banjo is the dumbest thing MS have done. They have a beloved character that is kid friendly and in a genre they have no good games in (platformer) and they refuse to fund a sequel.
MS are not refusing to do anything. Rare don't want to make another Banjo game, and Rare have control over their properties. MS can't/won't make a new Banjo title without Rare's approval.
 
May 17, 2018
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MS are not refusing to do anything. Rare don't want to make another Banjo game, and Rare have control over their properties. MS can't/won't make a new Banjo title without Rare's approval.
That doesn't mean that RARE won't allow another studio to work on Banjo, they did with Battletoads and, quite frankly, if they don't want to do it themselves I don't see why they'd mind.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):



Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.

Edit: he found this too, but once he closed it and tried to reopen it, it was showing PC instead of Xbox One. I couldn't replicate it.

Could you describe what your friend found? the images aren't coming up for me for some reason.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,897
UK
Which part? The sales: https://www.resetera.com/threads/obsidians-pillars-of-eternity-2-sold-like-shit-110-000-sales.79558/

The other part is from an interview early this year or late last year where Obsidian head said Micro were looking for studios. The implication was that they'd been approached and rejected the offer, probably expecting their projects to do better. Now, after their game bombs, we have strong rumors they are being acquired. I think it's clear what happened.
You're getting confused. The interview is here: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ow-rpgs-greatest-survivors-kept-the-lights-on

The part where they discuss Microsoft is with regards to them looking to sign new publishing projects/contracts, not with regards to being acquired. The acquisition talk is separate and doesn't mention Microsoft.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That doesn't mean that RARE won't allow another studio to work on Banjo, they did with Battletoads and, quite frankly, if they don't want to do it themselves I don't see why they'd mind.
It'll only happen if Gregg likes the pitch. There's a reason that Nuts & Bolts won out over the other Banjo 3 prototypes.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Phoenix
It's worth noting that KB+M support is only in preview right now. It's possible that they turn things around quickly and have it ready for release this month, but I'm more inclined to believe it'll release in spring.
Totally fair. Even in preview, I wonder if they'll launch a few games that can support controller and KB&M to gather more feedback. Game Pass seems a great place to launch titles that experiment with different features due to the large instant install base.

I actually was very cynical for a long time and Scalebound made me get a PC and PS4. I haven't used my XB1 in nearly 2 years.

A part of me is having fun here, but I'm genuinely optimistic based on what I've seen and heard.
Kindred spirits I see. I don't own a Xbox right now, but it's easily my favorite of the big 3. It's been difficult to have to pick 2 of the 3, and I want Microsoft to be successful on the exclusives side to give me another reason to make them my primary platform again.

This is also my favorite place on Era because of the genuine conversation and relative absence of toxicity and negativity.
 
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Could you describe what your friend found? the images aren't coming up for me for some reason.
He found Crackdown 3 listed as "Crackdown 3: New Providence". And then he found AoE: Definitive Edition listed for Xbox One, but it looks like this lasted very little and it quickly went back to showing PC as the game platform.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Microsoft sitting on Banjo for as long as it has is probably the single most cynical thing they have done to Rare or perhaps in the gaming space in general.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That crackdown name doesn't make much sense imo.. Probably why it's gonna happen LOL. I figure if they were gonna add a subtitle, they would remove the number aswell.
 
May 17, 2018
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You're getting confused. The interview is here: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ow-rpgs-greatest-survivors-kept-the-lights-on

The part where they discuss Microsoft is with regards to them looking to sign new publishing projects/contracts, not with regards to being acquired. The acquisition talk is separate and doesn't mention Microsoft.
Oh I see. It's still interesting though, because that's around the time they signed the deal for their next project, which means they chose a different publisher over Microsoft (or Microsoft didn't like their ideas). It still does seem like the bad sales of their last game was what made them decide to sell the company.

What would be our reaction if on Saturday they announce three new studios and Obsidians is NOT one of them lol
 
Oct 26, 2017
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It's great that Phil will be there, but he was also present during one of the daily E3 shows last year and I believe this year he was too? Don't think he really had any big news there though. But that was right after their E3 show, this is different for sure.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So, a friend of mine noticed this nosing around in Robeyone's (Senior Producer on Age of Empires) followed games on Live, and I just confirmed it (I took the screenshot):



Is this the new name for the game or just a placeholder? New Providence is the city where the game's Campaign takes place, but it seems odd to put it into the title, when everyone already knows it as Crackdown 3.
Weren't they once upon a time supposed to be splitting CD3 up into two distinct modes? The way they talked about it in the past made it seem like the multiplayer destruction mode (Wrecking Zone or whatever it's called) would be a completely separate package to download/install. So it's possible the single player package is called 'Crackdown 3: New Providence' and the multiplayer destruction mode will be called 'Crackdown 3: Wrecking Zone'.

Or maybe that was the original plan, and the naming scheme for pre-release builds of the game is just a relic of the old plan. We'll have to wait and see, but when the game finally releases next year everything might be included under a single 'Crackdown 3' package.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Knowing that Phil Spencer and Matt Booty will be there is reassuring for me.
Why is that? I feel like they could just be there to annouce a new studio and maybe a good game that'll come out a long time from now.

Idk. Not trying to be pessimistic. I just feel like I should keep expectations low.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Utah, USA
Why is that? I feel like they could just be there to annouce a new studio and maybe a good game that'll come out a long time from now.

Idk. Not trying to be pessimistic. I just feel like I should keep expectations low.
A studio acquisition and one first party game reveal is about my expectations. I think that would be great.
 

Jawmuncher

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd fully expect Age of Empires to come to xbox via Play-Anywhere.

The current rumors on that and Warcraft make me wonder about Controller support though.

Would you really release RTS's on Xbox that have no form of controller support?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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After the comments made by Obsidian a while ago about how Microsoft were looking to acquire studios and how their acquisition wasn't announced at E3, today's news that Pillars 2 only sold about 100000 copies seems to be the reason why this time they said yes.

I'm happy about the acquisition, assuming it'll get a confirmation soon, but it's a shame it had to happen this way.
pillars 2 only sold 100k?

=(

I bought it.

=(