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Mike Ybarra, Corporate VP of Xbox, says critics of an Anthem area are “whining” and it is “embarrassing to review with such a lack of knowledge”
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Absolutely. They're just sharing their opinions as well, though. Acting like there is a "correct" way to review a video game is absolute nonsense.
There is no such thing as an "objective" review. Period.
Reviews are subjective. Reviews are, and always have been, the subjective opinion of one individual --even if you didn't realize it when you were growing up. That's why EGM had multiple people review each game back in the day (or pretended to, but that's another discussion altogether).
See above.
Your free to criticize because you don't like it, but acting like a review is doing it "wrong" is silly. A review is just an opinion.
It also doesn't mean that he should be immune to getting called out when he says something dense, but not offensive enough to be reprimanded at work.
They're also a cheap method of advertising a game with no actual oversight.
Then it must be like early access. A way for those with premier or access to get to play the game early.
Here's a hint, it tells you at the top of a page on mobile as well. Trying to put you out of a job, I assume.
You can't get really mad when people mention Trump when you said things like this and 'fake news'.
man, a review can obviously be wrongly done, did you forget about IGN complaining about how you dont play football in soccer manager?
or what, are you goiing to defend that review??? "the reviewer is only giving his opinion!!
it was as if my friend said that Resident Evil 4 sucks because he didnt figure out you can actually run and he keep dying so he quit the game.
but hey! it is his opinion!
Xbox guy is way out of line.
Not the part of the convo I care for, since the thread has gone into a convo I do care for. While it's perfectly fine and justified to criticize a game for being poor at teaching its mechanics: revengeance, bayonetta with dodge offset, bloodrayne betrayal with its evade through stuff iframes, mad fighting games in general. The list could go on.
It is not however, to me unreasonable to expect game reviewers to put in the effort to learn and experiment with the mechanics. Depth matters to plenty of people, and as patrons of the art, one would think they would value depth on some level.
Likewise given YouTube n google exist, nowadays you have plenty of tools to learn cool tech about the game you are playing, and I get not everyone will do this. But some will, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Beyond that I want the most accurate and detailed representation of the mechanics I can get at a given time, and that's a reasonable request from the reader. I don't need the player to be a pro, but mediocre players are capable of grasping the games mechanics n higher level play logic, even if their execution is lacking.
Far too often with actual game reviews, they lack detail, they don't describe the gameplay what so ever, and having listened to enough different podcasts. It is mind boggling how some of these folks will miss obvious shit when playing a game.
And to my understanding some of that is due to the crazy rush job they have to do, especially during review season. But as the reader, I didn't fucking agree to take one for the team and be cool with poor work.
I would like someone who can make the effort to learn the game more and delay their review if need be.
Not the part of the convo I care for, since the thread has gone into a convo I do care for. While it's perfectly fine and justified to criticize a game for being poor at teaching its mechanics: revengeance, bayonetta with dodge offset, bloodrayne betrayal with its evade through stuff iframes, mad fighting games in general. The list could go on.
It is not however, to me unreasonable to expect game reviewers to put in the effort to learn and experiment with the mechanics. Depth matters to plenty of people, and as patrons of the art, one would think they would value depth on some level.
Likewise given YouTube n google exist, nowadays you have plenty of tools to learn cool tech about the game you are playing, and I get not everyone will do this. But some will, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Beyond that I want the most accurate and detailed representation of the mechanics I can get at a given time, and that's a reasonable request from the reader. I don't need the player to be a pro, but mediocre players are capable of grasping the games mechanics n higher level play logic, even if their execution is lacking.
Far too often with actual game reviews, they lack detail, they don't describe the gameplay what so ever, and having listened to enough different podcasts. It is mind boggling how some of these folks will miss obvious shit when playing a game.
And to my understanding some of that is due to the crazy rush job they have to do, especially during review season. But as the reader, I didn't fucking agree to take one for the team and be cool with poor work.
I would like someone who can make the effort to learn the game more and delay their review if need be.
How is that discrediting reviews?
Because he personally doesn't use them as a guide?
I mean, I don't read game reviews either, I'd rather get the word of mouth from forum-goers, friends, or just go with my gut but I don't think that makes me actively discrediting reviews.
Can't disagree.The tone of their opinions sometimes remind me a casual teenager....
What the hell is a combo? oO
Ive played Anthem since it released on Premier last week.
The game haven't told me anything about combos.
Ive played Anthem since it released on Premier last week.
The game haven't told me anything about combos.
disappointing to see xbox leadership pandering to the gg crowd with comments disparaging journalists
Yeah, there's a world of difference between Anthem's unintentional obfuscation of a key mechanic and how the Souls series' purposefully obfuscates mechanics. I don't get the comparison.
"buy and play the game if you want to talk about it first"
*Buys and plays X hours and shares informed opinion*
"Why the fuck did you buy and play X hours of this game if you clearly hate it!"
EVERY. TIME.
This is an odd one.
Can't say I've never cringed at poorly done reviews before either. We've all done it. Hell practically everyone here does it to IGN and the other usual outlets.
Still, reviews are an important part of the buying process for many. They should be as authentic and relevant as possible. Just my 2 pennies worth.
Can't say I've never cringed at poorly done reviews before either. We've all done it. Hell practically everyone here does it to IGN and the other usual outlets.
Still, reviews are an important part of the buying process for many. They should be as authentic and relevant as possible. Just my 2 pennies worth.
Anytime someone mentions a fun factor in response to a criticism of game mechanics or mission design you know they don't really have a leg to stand on.
Careful, I've been banned for bringing up the GG connection in other threads regarding "objective" reviews. Apparently the Era staff isn't fully up to speed.
There's something that doesn't sit about Mike with me. The way he is always responding to that cretin Tim Dogg constantly on Twitter shows what type of person he is.
Beyond that teaching the player is far too valuable and inexcusable in a review as well. It is ridiculous how The Wonderful 101 teaches its mechanics, given how unique that game is in the genre in the first place.
Dbfz makes all these concessions for a broader audience and then fails to tell the player shit I had to learn from YouTube. Why do fighting games still not have a way for players to upload their labbed combos onto the games database?
As someone who values depth and appreciates high level play, learning the game is part of the fun. And that's gotta be fun at lower level play as well and as you are getting better. Explaining the game has its merits. People don't want to be handheld about what direction to go in, they have zero problems with being told what a mechanic can do. Most would prefer it.
So for anthem if it has failed explaining its combo system, that's pretty damning.
Dbfz makes all these concessions for a broader audience and then fails to tell the player shit I had to learn from YouTube. Why do fighting games still not have a way for players to upload their labbed combos onto the games database?
As someone who values depth and appreciates high level play, learning the game is part of the fun. And that's gotta be fun at lower level play as well and as you are getting better. Explaining the game has its merits. People don't want to be handheld about what direction to go in, they have zero problems with being told what a mechanic can do. Most would prefer it.
So for anthem if it has failed explaining its combo system, that's pretty damning.
to be fair other Xbox exec respond to people like crapgamer and timdog. Phil Spencer included
Exactly. As much as Layden and Phil can sound/act like sleazy used car salespeople sometimes, they sound consistently professional. These two are just baffling. You could tell me this shit came from randomuser376 from r/gaming and I'd totally believe it.
I'd call it formatting, considering he also put his second use of the word in quotes as well; unless your argument is that he's discrediting Reviews as well as discrediting his own suggestion of Modern Reviews, I find italics works easier on a forum but that's not a twitter thing.
This is kind of comical since I see people on this forum use the same line of thought as Ybarra for games they like getting railed on. He's still wrong but holy shit at the hypocrisy here.
The UI is not a good source of information for the Combos and Primers/Detonators in this game as the menus and UI are inconsistent with how and when they display this information between the Forge and other locations.
This game has some of the worst and most inconsistent UI and terminology I've experienced.
lol what kind of "formatting" puts quotations around a random word for no reason
This is:
- Hurting Anthem's image even more, despite being marketing partners
- Dismissing criticism of the game as "whining"
- Dismissing professional reviews at large
- Promoting gamer rage/fanboy wars
- Showing MS hasn't really changed that much
all at the same time, impressive :P
- Hurting Anthem's image even more, despite being marketing partners
- Dismissing criticism of the game as "whining"
- Dismissing professional reviews at large
- Promoting gamer rage/fanboy wars
- Showing MS hasn't really changed that much
all at the same time, impressive :P
Oh here's that other one.
Xbox's Shannon Loftis to IGN reviewer: "dont discourage people from playing our game"
Xbox's Shannon Loftis to IGN reviewer: "dont discourage people from playing our game"
Oh a quick reminder, Mike Ybarra tends to play on PC over Xbox One X as well, which I find strange considering the deals they have
reminds me of when Bethesda stopped giving out review copies until the day of release, and then oddly enough they started releasing some really good games and reversed the decision
its getting even worse now that studios are releasing GaaS that are apparently unfinished on release
"keep playing for the next 8 months and you'll eventually experience a full product" yea i bet they would love that wouldn't they
its getting even worse now that studios are releasing GaaS that are apparently unfinished on release
"keep playing for the next 8 months and you'll eventually experience a full product" yea i bet they would love that wouldn't they