User banned (1 day): system wars
Hysterical. You busted out all of the buzzwords to deflect. Good try warrior. Please dont forget to use unhinged as well.
Yes, there's definitely a problem there, but I think it was unfair to imply that he was trying to point people towards biased opinions with his tweet.Don't many streamers fail to mention the fact they're being paid to play something? If that's the case, I think the criticism is about that lack of transparency more than anything.
Do you actually think any other gaming exec saying something like this wouldn't also have people reading a lot more into what they are saying and coming to that conclusion?
Lol being defensive about something you have a vested interest in is a conspiracy theory now. That's called human nature.Calling them out on it? Certainly. Almost 2000 posts in a 33 page thread littered with conspiracy theories? I don't think so. Lets be clear, I do not defend his shitty post. Call him out on it all you want, he earned it. But to turn it into some kind of corporate conspiracy? Nah, thats BS in my opinion.
I don't disagree that people are reading way too into it. Like I really don't think it's his master plan to get people to only watch sponsored streams or whatever, I think that's pretty disrespectful to said streamers even. But it's takes like that which is why people in his position should be a lot more careful with their wording, especially when their corporation has significant investments in the product that's getting a poor critical reception.Calling them out on it? Certainly. Almost 2000 posts in a 33 page thread littered with conspiracy theories? I don't think so. Lets be clear, I do not defend his shitty post. Call him out on it all you want, he earned it. But to turn it into some kind of corporate conspiracy? Nah, thats BS in my opinion.
it's not a conspiracy, but he has stakes and biases that should not be ignored.Calling them out on it? Certainly. Almost 2000 posts in a 33 page thread littered with conspiracy theories? I don't think so. Lets be clear, I do not defend his shitty post. Call him out on it all you want, he earned it. But to turn it into some kind of corporate conspiracy? Nah, thats BS in my opinion.
I'm a reviewer who is an expert at playing games.
Calling them out on it? Certainly. Almost 2000 posts in a 33 page thread littered with conspiracy theories? I don't think so. Lets be clear, I do not defend his shitty post. Call him out on it all you want, he earned it. But to turn it into some kind of corporate conspiracy? Nah, thats BS in my opinion.
In the end I am a consumer heavily invested Xbox and its about a decade of pain and decline with the division.
A new sizzler. I'm guessing Xbox doesn't have marketing for New Dawn.
The site is not a single person. It doesnt make anyone do anything. But to not admit the reality of the situation is just silly. This is a weird analogy, but I'll write it anyway:
If I was to walk into the Oakland Raiders football stadium during a game and say "Wow, these people really love the Raiders". Am I wrong? Of course not everyone in that stadium is a raiders fan. Some are not even football fans. But on average, more often than not, if you talk to someone there, they are a Raiders fan.
It is the same on ERA. ERA doesnt make people Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo fans, but to say people of similar interests, or a similar proclivity to a company don't enjoy each others discussion is just wrong. More likely than not, if you converse with someone here in the gaming thread, they will like Sonys Output more than Microsofts. Did ERA do that to them? No. Are they all Fanboys? no. Has MS just alienated most of the world outside the US, and this site is not US focused? Probably. Is it more likely than not that Sony is just doing a better job making gamesin the industry than MS? Yes.
MS has not really been doing a good job with games since before the start of ERA, so it is hard to test this, but many people here are refugees from another site. Even during MS best times in the early 360 years, with japanese support, and good exclusives, the general leaning at the other site was always waiting for Sony to get back into gear. "RETURN OF THE KING!"
This thread is a great example. Someone who happens to be an exec at MS says something stupid. Good, people should call him out for it. But you read through this thread and a stupid comment turns for some into a MS/Xbox conspiracy to destroy "traditional reviews", and force paid "modern reviews/streamers" down peoples throats in a corporate attempt to prop up their weak gaming line and fully defend a marketing deal. And if anyone pushes back with the idea that "hey, arent we over analyzing this just because he is a MS exec" it immediately becomes PERSECUTION COMPLEX!!!!
EDIT: I forgot, UNHINGED! I cant wait for the responses that contain UNHINGED!
And waste money better spent elsewhere?I think with Ybarra did was a bit arrogant though I do somewhat agree, never really listened to any reviews for games and film these days, and form my own opinion based on what I play. I wish others would do the same sometimes.
I think with Ybarra did was a bit arrogant though I do somewhat agree, never really listened to any reviews for games and film these days, and form my own opinion based on what I play. I wish others would do the same sometimes.
TD2 is next. The chase for the next looter shooter that cures the current genre ailments.
I think TD2 has a really good chance to deliver a lot of content but ultimately nothing will ever satiate folks. People always want more.
You realize you're contributing to the thread's post count, right?
Reality: these threads get long because people end up commenting and disagreeing on various things (in this case, the tweets, particular reviews, Anthem, games media in general, bias against Microsoft, the significance of there being a lot of posts in a thread...)
You and others: damn, I can't fathom how people sustain a discussion that long, performing anger must be a lot of fun huh quite sad
Come on. As much as I love melodrama, that shtick gets old.
I go away for three days and I come back and see the internet explode for something ridicules. I 100% agree with Mike that a reviewer should at least have some knowledge about the game before reviewing it. That's the entire point, the reviewer didn't even know how to do a combo...
Lol unobtainable goal, talking about playing videosgames is as difficult as brain surgery. Give ME a break
I like how you sum up how these threads typically manifest themselves (which for what you are describing sounds like a fanboy war thread) but then move forward to state you tired of the old melodrama of having someone point it out somehow?
What?
You are kind of also contributing to the post count?
Honestly I'll leave you guys too it, lol
The VP is right.
Reviews should be disregarded unless they say what I believe. Thats the exception and that is when they should be heavily promoted and advertised.
The VP is right.
Reviews should be disregarded unless they say what I believe. Thats the exception and that is when they should be heavily promoted and advertised.
Am I crazy or is the post you responded to dripping in sarcasm? Pretty sure that user is saying the same thing as you.Except he pointed to the Forza Horizon reviews at the time of release and recommended the game based on the scores it was getting.
He's inconsistent.
Can someone explain to me why Mike tweeting congratulations about a Sony or Nintendo game precludes him from being overly defensive about a game MS has marketing rights for?
Like did he go on the offensive against a reviewer who wrote something negative about a Nintendo or Sony game that he liked too?
This is you in another thread a few days ago:
A consumer heavily invested in Xbox who is hurting from its decline equates people correctly concluding an Xbox marketing executive is attacking critiques of a partnered marketing deal game to defend a business facing a decline in public image to a conspiracy theory.
Funny how that works.
it's not a conspiracy, but he has stakes and biases that should not be ignored.
Xbox does not have a lot riding on Athem. For fucks sake.Ybara almost always comes off in social media like someone just gave him a massive wedgie. Xbox has a lot riding on Anthem and "Games as a Service" in general which is the root of his angst right now. It seems like "Games As a Service" is what will typify most of Xbox's future offerings, however gamers en masse are beginning to reject these kinds of parasitic gaming tools of profit. Many of these aren't even recognizable as complete/cohesive games just disparate but small collections of very familiar game mechanics.
oh hell naw. My friend told him the "streamers" (he didnt say which) was the ones that said the game was awesome and for him to get it.He also said people should be using "modern reviews" like watching streamers.
This isn't a "he should've kept quiet, but he has a point" thing.
He's just wrong on all accounts here.
Thats crazy talk.Just like when I say Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever :P.
Xbox does not have a lot riding on Athem. For fucks sake.
And no gamers are not rejecting Games as a service.
Phil Spencer is the best guy in the Xbox team.
The best tasting turpentine.
it is exactly that even if he didn't mean it that way. dude needs to be aware of his position and the context of the discussion around game reviews and streaming.This isn't a case of Microsoft Exec going to bat for a game with marketing rights
They also add this at the end, which I assume is the part he didn't think made sense.The relevant portion from that review:
Seems...totally reasonable...?
Haven't read a review in like 10 years here Lol. Don't know why anyone even looks for em with all the current ways you can try out a game yourself or watch a stream. He is right in my eyes.
I don't mean to devalue the work of people who write about games or anything buy you do realize that there are quite a lot of us who don't know/care about you or what you think, don't care about how much time you've spent time doing something either.
Writing (Reading) reviews these days seems like an antiquated service to a lot of us. It feels like an old elevator operator from back in the days when people needed someone to do that. We can just play, watch and "review" games ourselves thank you very much.