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Mike Ybarra: PS5 could have better I/O than anything the PC has ever seen
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Honestly what is a life of cynicism and devoid of excitement worth?
The problem is that up until the start of the 7th gen there wasn't really a market for bleeding edge consumer graphics hardware, and the highest end GPU were comparable in price, if not cheaper, than a video game console which was usually sold at a loss (while the GPU had to make a profit). That changed throughout the 7th gen, when the ceiling for GPU prices and thus the performance benchmark for consumer computer graphics shot up, but the price point of consoles stayed relatively the same. It's now basically impossible for a console to outperform a PC in raw power when they're anywhere from $400-600 for the entire package and the highest end GPU is $1k+, even if the consoles do punch above their weight due to optimization. What they can do is compete with USPs such as what they're doing now with custom I/O (though the PC has also been incomparably faster there for decades now, and can also use RAM drives if set up for it).
I still don't understand how 1TB/s gets me better games than 5GB/s or 1GB/s. This whole bragging point is so bizarre to me.
And it's not the sequential write/read speed that matters anyway is it? It's the speed at which it read random tiny bits of data, which is probably a fraction of the theoretical max sequential speed.
We need someone to run CrystalDiskMark on the thing, but if it's truly faster than anything humanly possible on PC, neat.
But again, to what purpose? As far as games are concerned it's pretty irrelevant imo.
And it's not the sequential write/read speed that matters anyway is it? It's the speed at which it read random tiny bits of data, which is probably a fraction of the theoretical max sequential speed.
We need someone to run CrystalDiskMark on the thing, but if it's truly faster than anything humanly possible on PC, neat.
But again, to what purpose? As far as games are concerned it's pretty irrelevant imo.
That's actually correct, PS4 has 3GB's of GDDR5 for VRAM, people get a little bit confused with unified ram vs separate pools on PC.
My macbook 2018 reaches 2GB read so ps5 likely over 2.5GB because of thermals/power.
edit: I now believe it's over 3 GB/s read, and less than 1.5 GB/s write. An entire game could load under 30 seconds. A whole level in 3 seconds.
If MS use standard nvme drives, it will be more user friendly for user replacement but I can't believe MS would let Sony have more than 150% their read speed.
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Mike Ybarra was referring to XSX with that coment, saying that claims made by Sony about I/O are real so Xbox would likely be on a similar level.
It's from this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcZtZaZmGwM
Where they are talking all the time about XSX and how would it compare to high end PCs (not mentioning Sony/PS5 at all). Then at 1:29:31 Ybarra makes that coment. The guys notice it and reply at 1:30:29.
It's from this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcZtZaZmGwM
Where they are talking all the time about XSX and how would it compare to high end PCs (not mentioning Sony/PS5 at all). Then at 1:29:31 Ybarra makes that coment. The guys notice it and reply at 1:30:29.
Well I guess it gives Devs the ability to add much more of what is happening in the game. Spider-man 2018 comes to mind
Watch the video on how much memory they had to work with when streaming the city:
Just having a better solution will gives us better open world games.
They don't need that much cooling for 100w, which is roughly what the current gen boxes pull.
It's random I/O that the PCIe4.0 SSDs should be amazing at. So, those small tiny reads. The theoretical maximum is kinda moot as you say.
I don't remember promises like this since the PS2.
They generally don't come close to delivering on it but I prefer it to just some boring bargain off the shelf PC parts, even if that would probably give us the same exact games at half the price. Can't deny this is more exciting. Especially for launch.
They generally don't come close to delivering on it but I prefer it to just some boring bargain off the shelf PC parts, even if that would probably give us the same exact games at half the price. Can't deny this is more exciting. Especially for launch.
Hopefully they have some revolutionary compression techniques as well 'cause you'll probably only be able to put a handful of AAA games on them
This isn't just about the storage, but how fast data can travel around the system (cpu to network to hdd to ram ect).
Some reading for those confused on similar PC specs coming.
Sony might have leapfrogged PCI standards, but that also means higher costs.
Some reading for those confused on similar PC specs coming.
Sony might have leapfrogged PCI standards, but that also means higher costs.
I'm not gonna shower the week before just so that I can soak on a bath for hours before the Mark Cerny reveal. Ahhhhh yes gonna be bliss watching some ps5 megatons with duckies.
I wouldn't say marketing crap per se, but yeah I'm sure it's all a bit inflated for marketing + hype purposes
Where is the fun of being reasonable at the moment of talking of next gen consoles?
Oh yeah! That is the secret sauce this time. relatively "slow write speeds" and ultrafast read speeds. Makes sense! Internet installs have only 120 MBps and BluRay tops around half that. . There is little benefit to write speeds higher than 120MB/s with the exception of copying games from an external USB-C/Thunderbolt SSD, which probably tops at 1 GBps. I can definitely believe 3500 MBps read speed now. Paired with 1000+ MBps write speed.
One whole game would be transferred from your external to the PS5 internal hotness in 100 seconds max. If it's broken in levels, it's likely going to be less than 10 seconds before you can start the game. Still quite acceptable.
The first part of the message was more than likely referring to Xbox.
Yup basically he expects both to have faster drivers than what we see today on PC.
That's not how it reads, if the first part is about the next Xbox then he's saying it could, second part is about PS5 and he straight out confirming it being faster than everything.
Thanks for clarifying. The Windows Central speculating that Series X's SSD speed is about 2GB/S is underestimating then. The general consensus (based on speculations, patents and what other devs have hinted on) is Sony will have a "much" faster solution...i.e. 5+ GB/s. It will be interesting to see if MS can close the gap before launch.
I wouldn't doubt they have pcie 4 nvme drives, but I wouldn't describe that as better than anything PC has seen. It's cutting edge, and I fully expect they'll both have faster drives than most people have in their PCs (sata ssd/low end nvme), but PC is a broad market. They're gonna top 5 GB/sec and have it in consumer production in a year? We'll see. I just hope it isn't a proprietary part.
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