So what are your thoughts on turmoil and Fanto leaning wise?
Turmoil has been odd to me for a while.
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Turmoil has been odd to me for a while.
Caught up, still fine with my vote, I dont have time to play as i normally would here or get into many conversations. If Scum lets me live to see the upcoming weekend phase, I will have plenty to say then based on rereading all of this stuff after we see our flip for the day.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to check in again before EoD, kind of busy today and have a meeting right at EoD.
If you have a question for me, now is the time to ask and if I can respond within 10 minutes then I will.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to check in again before EoD, kind of busy today and have a meeting right at EoD.
If you have a question for me, now is the time to ask and if I can respond within 10 minutes then I will.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
exodus (3 votes)
Fantomas - #230
Alexem - #357
Maolfunction - #358
Ketkat (2 votes)
Maolfunction - #80 #358
TheChuggernaut - #338
turmoil7 - #373
TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
Stantastic - #134
turmoil7 - #211 #305
Funky Dude Sparks - #212 #226
언이라브 - #275
Maolfunction (2 votes)
Soneji - #384
exodus - #397
Alexem (1 votes)
Verelios - #75
turmoil7 - #305 #335
Reki (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #182 #211
TheChuggernaut - #228 #262
Stantastic (0 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #54 #228
turmoil7 - #87 #103
Funky Dude Sparks (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #103 #182
Fantomas - #108 #230
Soneji (0 votes)
Alexem - #162 #357
언이라브 (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #61 #87
Fantomas (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #335 #373
Soneji - #336 #384
Verelios (0 votes)
Fantomas - #47 #108
Not voting: Reki, Ketkat, Zippedpinhead
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 53 Fantomas: 53 Stantastic: 35 turmoil7: 33 Verelios: 29 Funky Dude Sparks: 27 Maolfunction: 26 Alexem: 24 언이라브: 15 Soneji: 13 exodus: 12 Zippedpinhead: 10 Reki: 9 Ketkat: 9
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
exodus (3 votes)
Fantomas - #230
Alexem - #357
Maolfunction - #358
Ketkat (2 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #338
turmoil7 - #373
TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
Stantastic - #134
언이라브 - #275
Maolfunction (2 votes)
Soneji - #384
exodus - #397
Alexem (1 votes)
Verelios - #75
Reki (0 votes)
Stantastic (0 votes)
Funky Dude Sparks (0 votes)
Soneji (0 votes)
언이라브 (0 votes)
Fantomas (0 votes)
Verelios (0 votes)
Not voting: Reki, Ketkat, Zippedpinhead
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 53 Fantomas: 53 Stantastic: 35 turmoil7: 33 Verelios: 29 Funky Dude Sparks: 27 Maolfunction: 26 Alexem: 24 언이라브: 15 Soneji: 13 exodus: 12 Zippedpinhead: 10 Reki: 9 Ketkat: 9
Current Countdown:
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I see a lot of grand talk about tactics and play styles, but not a great deal else beyond a thought or two on Chuggs and defensiveness towards Mao. I do hope we see this excellent strategy pay off on D2 after all this build-up, otherwise I'll be quite disappointed.
Yeah. Might be able to make it back to change it before the day ends if some nonsense goes down, but I can't say for sure
Not sure, I want some nonsense to happen
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I think everyone is settling for exodus to be lunch tho
Do you have a reason for voting for me besides activity? Why me specifically out of the people with low participation?
Also, I should be around until the end of day phase now
Why is that an issue on D1? Do you want low hanging fruit to keep hanging there deep into the game for scum to take advantage of?
Let's flip this. Do you want to provide scum who are incredibly active an opportunity to attempt to take over the conversation and steer things in a way that is favorable to their team?
I have been there being lunched on D1 with a dogpile on me and no contesting wagons, since I have been reluctant to make a wagon go out of control as it can hardly be reversed
Why the presumption that scum is incredibly active and why do you think that I, knowing my alignment is town, would allow scum to control any conversations?
I changed to Mao for their lack of hunting despite being around and for the twisting of my words to make my motivations look scummy in regards to post activity. It could look like just arguing over playstyles from the outside, but for me it's the tone within our conversation that has me gut reading them scum.
turmoil is null leaning scum, Fanto slight town. turmoil seems like a pretty wildcard style player, which I historically have trouble reading.
That sounds more like a reluctance to form big wagons than a reluctance to target players who are low hanging fruit.
I'm not presuming that scum is incredibly active, but the simple possibility that literally anyone in this game is capable of being scum right now. When you look at "low hanging fruit" or low activity posters you're essentially taking a conclusion and working backwards from it, ignoring possibilities that could provide help to scum.
A lot of people are already allowing scum to control the conversation right now as the focus is repeatedly being aimed at low activity posters with some people defending each other with very flimsy reasoning of "They'll be useful later on." Which is being used very selectively in this game as well as just not being an argument that has come up in the past.
I'm controlling all conversation in the game right now, though. All of that conversation was started by me, why do you think scum is at all manipulating town when the only activity happening right now is centered on what I've been talking about.
The conclusion I'm working with is town typically lunches town on any given D1 and I want to lunch a player that leaves little to be desired from a town perspective.
You're also not voting and haven't all day, you plan on putting one down somewhere?
VOTE:exodus
Exo, I'd love to play more with you but out of the current wagons you're the one that looks worse. Ketkat also has few posts - aware that's rich coming from me - but it feels like she has participated more in meaningful debate.
Already explained why Chuggs feels towny and found myself agreeing a lot with Mao over the last discussions. Tried to look elsewhere but there's nothing overly suspicious I could find.
Exo, I'd love to play more with you but out of the current wagons you're the one that looks worse. Ketkat also has few posts - aware that's rich coming from me - but it feels like she has participated more in meaningful debate.
Already explained why Chuggs feels towny and found myself agreeing a lot with Mao over the last discussions. Tried to look elsewhere but there's nothing overly suspicious I could find.
That's what I mean by having a conclusion and working backwards. You aren't trying to aim for scum, but to remove obstacles that you think will get in the way of your own personal scum hunting. Town don't always hit scum Day 1, that's true. But, Day 1 is important at the very least because of the interactions and votes that it provides for us down the line. By aiming for low hanging fruit or people that are in the way, we're essentially skipping all of the potential that exists there and it does nothing except benefit scum. Scum are able to get a free flip with no consequences on any of the low activity people they start a train on, and they'll all have plausible deniability.
And yes, I'm going to put a vote down. Right now, I'm mostly leaning towards you, Fantomas, or Chuggernaut. I don't have strong feelings on most of the players in this game right now, but these interactions and defenses that exist don't feel like town plays to me.
It is important, which is why I'm pushing people to either vote exodus, or somewhere else. Votes are valuable info down the line when scum start flipping. If they manage to stay off big wagons, or are reluctant to go for the low hanging fruit D1, that becomes obvious down the road as we get flips.
You keep thinking scum get a free flip because it's easy to hop on an easy wagon, but they almost never lead those wagons themselves because of how obvious they are.
This entire series of posts gives me bad vibes. Like the kind where it's obvious these posts were made just to have something to say. It's simultaneously saying nothing while also sitting on the sidelines watching other people fight.
The thing about D1 is that town outnumber scum, so law of averages means that there's a strong chance of mis-lunching, especially since there's no previous days' worth of interactions to go on. I think it's rare that a D1 vote is going to be much more than speculative in all honesty, but it's better to vote for a reason than vote 'just because'. I know my vote on exodus is, in all honesty, as risky as any other, but I had my reasons for doing so. Of course, it'll be disappointing if he flips town, but he's given his thoughts on Chuggs, Brian and Mao that can be taken into consideration going forward. Granted, they could be mistaken, but it's still something to think about rather than just getting him out of the way for the sake of getting him out of the way.
No, just the mood of the room in general and Turmoil's comments about 'settling for exodus'.
If not there, would you still vote Fanto?
You played in SU too, Ketkat. Do you think he reads like mafia!Chuggs this time?
You had to ruin my argument, you meanie.
It wouldn't be fun (for me)
Also haven't you been playing very safe so far, Vere?
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
exodus (4 votes)
Fantomas - #230
Alexem - #357
Maolfunction - #358
Reki - #421
Ketkat (2 votes)
Maolfunction - #80 #358
TheChuggernaut - #338
turmoil7 - #373
TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
Stantastic - #134
turmoil7 - #211 #305
Funky Dude Sparks - #212 #226
언이라브 - #275
Maolfunction (2 votes)
Soneji - #384
exodus - #397
turmoil7 (1 votes)
Verelios - #425
Reki (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #182 #211
TheChuggernaut - #228 #262
Stantastic (0 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #54 #228
turmoil7 - #87 #103
Alexem (0 votes)
Verelios - #75 #425
turmoil7 - #305 #335
Funky Dude Sparks (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #103 #182
Fantomas - #108 #230
Soneji (0 votes)
Alexem - #162 #357
언이라브 (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #61 #87
Fantomas (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #335 #373
Soneji - #336 #384
Verelios (0 votes)
Fantomas - #47 #108
Not voting: Ketkat, Zippedpinhead
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 54 Fantomas: 53 turmoil7: 38 Stantastic: 35 Maolfunction: 32 Verelios: 32 Alexem: 27 Funky Dude Sparks: 27 언이라브: 15 Soneji: 14 Ketkat: 13 exodus: 13 Reki: 11 Zippedpinhead: 10
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
exodus (4 votes)
Fantomas - #230
Alexem - #357
Maolfunction - #358
Reki - #421
Ketkat (2 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #338
turmoil7 - #373
TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
Stantastic - #134
언이라브 - #275
Maolfunction (2 votes)
Soneji - #384
exodus - #397
turmoil7 (1 votes)
Verelios - #425
Reki (0 votes)
Stantastic (0 votes)
Alexem (0 votes)
Funky Dude Sparks (0 votes)
Soneji (0 votes)
언이라브 (0 votes)
Fantomas (0 votes)
Verelios (0 votes)
Not voting: Ketkat, Zippedpinhead
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 54 Fantomas: 53 turmoil7: 38 Stantastic: 35 Maolfunction: 32 Verelios: 32 Alexem: 27 Funky Dude Sparks: 27 언이라브: 15 Soneji: 14 Ketkat: 13 exodus: 13 Reki: 11 Zippedpinhead: 10
Current Countdown:
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I've played more D1s than any other phase since I had a bit of a penchant to either die or be investigated N1/2, so I've had plenty of chances to hone the D1 opening strategies.
I would need to actually go back and read over that game some. I really don't remember much from SU except my night chat and trying to plan a vig shot if I died.
I liked their responses to me well enough earlier to not be voting them today.
Took my lunch, I'll be here for 20 minutes or so.
Vote:Ketkat
Lots of noise coming from her with very little actual opinions on players other than paranoia that the high post count players are Scum and taking advantage of the day, which feels like nothing but wild speculation to me.
Keep in mind I'm on mobile and am bad at typing on my phone, so I cannot do much quoting and whatnot.
Vote:Ketkat
Lots of noise coming from her with very little actual opinions on players other than paranoia that the high post count players are Scum and taking advantage of the day, which feels like nothing but wild speculation to me.
Keep in mind I'm on mobile and am bad at typing on my phone, so I cannot do much quoting and whatnot.
Well dang, now it's just going to look like an OMGUS vote.
Vote: Fantomas
I have given opinions on players and this line of logic that you're using here feels disingenuous to the point that it does cement these negative feelings I've had about your play this day phase. You want to protect people who you think will be useful later in the game despite anything they might actually do right now, but at the same time you aren't willing to entertain the idea that this could be blinding you to scum or that aiming for low activity posters creates an easy vote for people to sit on without having to justify it.
Do you honestly expect Fanto to be lunched today? Are you just gonna sit off the contesting wagons then?
Like, let's flip that vote around. I'm suspicious of high post players because they are players in this game and the only alignment I know 100% is mine. But, you're more forgiving towards people who are resigned to hit town no matter what and want to take out low activity players?
Resigned? I'm playing the odds and going after a trending mafia tactic of not posting. Yes, I expect town, but even if they are, town loses very little while if you're wrong and Fanto is town, you've just killed one of the most active driving forces in the game.
Breaking down those wagons, the votes on most of them are incredibly weak.
Most of the votes on Exodus are that he has primarily fluff posts and hasn't contributed much to the game, which is true of almost everyone in this game right now. It's Day 1, and not the most particularly active one either.
Chuggernaut has a prod vote still on him that wasn't removed, as well as one vote that's just about some "vibes".
The votes on Maol feel like they have the most reasoning behind them, but Soneji's could be seen as an OMGUS vote as the two were arguing back and forth for a bit about how anti-town the other feels.
The vote on Turmoil isn't really anything either and feels more like a jokey prod vote, although it came pretty late in the day.
I could gamble and vote on one of these for an attempt at self-preservation but no one has made a convincing argument anywhere that makes me feel worse about these people.
Look we gotta work together, Exodus is a safe lynch for day 1, meets low post count, small game so better odds on the low post scum being caught.
Ketkat going off wagon could be town, could be meta-gaming, but I like it.
So
Vote: exodus