Miniature Gaming ERA - Modelling, Playing & Painting

Hjod

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,348
Behind my desk.
I love building and painting terrain almost more than painting minis. It's a lot of work but it comes together so nicely in the end.
I've kind of changed my mind, it's all about my mindset. I'm painting them in a hurry so me and a friend can play Kill Team on friday so I'm in a hurry. But today I took my time picking out details, highlighting stuff and I started enjoying it again.
 

Griselbrand

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,214

Can't believe I've completely misplaced my old Aeronautica squadrons. I'll have to completely excavate my closet and all those boxes to find what I can.

I didn't know the models would be so drastically different. Thunderbolts were already so big compared to Ork Fightas back then but I guess they're a little closer now.
 

Kharnete

Member
Oct 25, 2017
354
As I'm still unable to get my hands on some black Contrast to finish the undead/necromancer BB team, I've decided to tackle one of the gazillions 40k units I have pending. Still a lot of work to do (clean some of those black outlines, all the cables, pedals and shit attached to the armour, details everywhere, highlight the non-white parts, my usual weathering...), but at the same time I'm trying to instruct myself on overlooking certain mistakes that would be totally/almost invisible at tabletop distance. It's hard as fuck, tho, my brain keeps rebelling to that idea.

Also, fuck outlining white panels with black, it's one of the things that frustrates me the most. I really need to find some kind of hack for that.

 

Griselbrand

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,214
For panel lining I take care of it in the wash stage. I go:

Basecoat
Wash
Basecoat
Layer
Highlight

It requires a good bit of brush control to not undo the wash after the initial Basecoat and it can be a little slow for me. Back in the day people also suggested super fine tip markers, but for me they dry way too fast to be able to quickly fix errors.
 

Kharnete

Member
Oct 25, 2017
354
My problem with that method, which usually would be *the* way to go, is I just refuse to paint "white" without an airbrush when it's the main colour. I still have nightmares from when I still didn't have an airbrush and tried to paint some White Scars figures. Won't happen again :P

With my current method (outlining wherever it's needed with black ink and patience) I usually only need to clean with some "white" here and there, but both the outlining and the cleaning gets on my nerves. The former due how long it takes (for what it is) and each time I fuck it up, something dies inside me no matter how big it's the mistake. The latter, as it's really hard to get a proper tone to fix certain areas, as I try to do the base colour on a zenital way.

The super fine tip markers are great for certain things (like outlining tribal/squad marks, for instance), but on my experiences they aren't that good when it comes to the recesses between panels and underlining parts of the armour. At least on Space Marines size miniatures, and with the markers I've tried. I really need to get my hands in one of those Gundam pens.
 
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Boat Times

Member
Oct 25, 2017
467
Kharnete You mentioned you have black ink, I've found that a semi-diluted black ink makes for a very good substitute for the black contrast paint. At the very least, my black vallejo ink is very similar.
 

Griselbrand

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,214
Diluted ink is a great idea. Unless I want really heavy weathering, I much prefer using diluted ink for painting directly into recesses as opposed to all over washes.

I've made tons of progress on this guy in the course of a single day. I think it's ready for a wash too at this point. Well except that I need to paint the payload (forest green bombs and white missiles) and and additional pass on the Celestra Grey underneath.

Oddly enough the decal sheets didn't come with a single plain Aquila. I'd like to put one on the stripe behind the wings. I may pencil one in and trace it in red.




Can't wait to get started on the Marauders. They are twice the size and are bristling with weapons, especially the Destroyer.
 

Kai Dracon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,664
Rita Repulsa's Moon Palace
When it comes to panel lines I've taken to a technique I figured out for the green glowing recesses in Necron rifles.

Dilute the paint with enough water to make it a wash, then dripping it in with a fine tip brush so that it fills the channel on its own due to physics, and levels off at the edges. It may take 2 or 3 applications to get the desired opacity. But when done well I generally don't have to do any clean-up past the edge of the recessed channel.

It also tends to naturally create a gradient towards the top of the channel, as the wash runs down the sides to pool at the bottom.
 

Kharnete

Member
Oct 25, 2017
354
At the end I decided to give a try to a different fine tip marker, and oh my, what a diference with the one I had.



The one in the left is the one I posted above, with the panel lines made with ink and brush. The other two, with the pen on a fraction of the time and half the fuck ups to clean.
 

affeinvasion

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,293
Finished my wights from the Lord of the Rings game. Following the awesome videos from Sarastro, I decided to try the glowing skull OSL effect and weathering. My weathering turned out a little bright, but the verdigris looks cool and the glowing skulls are cool. Troll is up next.

 

Foofaraw

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Oct 25, 2017
320
At the end I decided to give a try to a different fine tip marker, and oh my, what a diference with the one I had.



The one in the left is the one I posted above, with the panel lines made with ink and brush. The other two, with the pen on a fraction of the time and half the fuck ups to clean.
Looks great! I think pens are under used for panel lining in miniatures. They are one of the gold standards in making mechs, specifically Gundams, for a reason. Glad to see it works so well to get your Marines looking extra crispy!
 

Burny

Member
Oct 26, 2017
316
The Descent collection is growing... I'd eventually like to collect at least all Heroes and Monsters addons, as they bring more choice and variety into the campaigns. They're also just a cool collection of fantasy themed minis.

Visions of Dawn nearly ready for painting:


Guardians of Deephall


Stewards of Secret


They're not all created equally though. Apart from a general change in modeling style towards more cartoonish (and closer to the artwork), the sculpts of later addons are much, much better executed.

I'll also have to think about reducing time for individual models. The heroes sculpts I'm not that fond of and the less standout monster sculpts will be likely candidates for some time saving... Then again, I find the trolls, ogres, blood apes and nagas all awesome and they're the large minis. 😝
 
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SillyEskimo

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
2,473
I have everything available for the original Descent and all the boxed releases for 2.0. The crossover set with 1.0 is a godsend. When FF released the lieutenants and monsters for 2.0 separate, it totally pissed me off. What a blatant cash grab. It felt like micro transactions for board games and grossed me out. Most all that stuff was included with 1.0 so selling it all separately was super gross to me. Especially when I would open a $40 expansion box and there would only be like, 10 minis in the there. It was obvious stuff was left out on purpose to sell separately (especially lieutenants). I refused to back that business model. They’ve gone on to use it for their Star Wars games and many other releases too.
 

Burny

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Oct 26, 2017
316
I have everything available for the original Descent and all the boxed releases for 2.0. The crossover set with 1.0 is a godsend. When FF released the lieutenants and monsters for 2.0 separate, it totally pissed me off. What a blatant cash grab. It felt like micro transactions for board games and grossed me out. Most all that stuff was included with 1.0 so selling it all separately was super gross to me. Especially when I would open a $40 expansion box and there would only be like, 10 minis in the there. It was obvious stuff was left out on purpose to sell separately (especially lieutenants). I refused to back that business model. They’ve gone on to use it for their Star Wars games and many other releases too.
That's one aspect. Another aspect is that the quality and execution of most sculpts from the H&M addons visually completely and utterly trounces everything from 1st edition. Having looked through the 1st edition base game minis from a friend recently, they're not even in the same ballpark anymore, especially the later H&M ones. The entry price for the 2nd edition base game was also lowered and its size thankfully reduced due to including less of an army of super low quality plastic, while the play value compared to 1st edition was increased by including a decent campaign system instead. But I'm with you on the lieutenants - selling character minis as addons to replace cardboard tokens from the game for around the price of the complete box stings. Then again, if that helped them push the price of the boxed content down, it's a win for probably the majority of customers who're not hell bend on having every character as plastic miniature. You'll only maybe see them in one or two scenarios of the campaign anyway. A pack including all lieutenant addons for the base game or the big box expansion for ~25€ and less forced attempt to up sell these situational character minis as self contained addons would've been much preferred however. But personally, even if I had the option to get the 1st edition and conversion kit cheaply now, I'd rather collect the H&M addons. I'm too mini focused and all 1st edition plastic has been made obsolete for me by much better sculpts being available. Still nice to have the option to reuse practically all 1st edition content minis without shelling out for the later released H&M packs. Updated rules from the monster/hero cards of the H&M can just be printed out, since all the details are available in the Descent wiki.

Idk. about the pricing of the Heroes and Monster packs everywhere else, but here you can get them all for 25€-30€ per pack. That's not cheap for game minis and there are nine of these addons to collect (none are necessary for the game), but it's by no means expensive either. Very comparable to buying a bunch of minis from the Reaper Bones range (at ~3€ / mini and 10 larger and smaller minis on the very low end you're also at ~30€ buying Reaper bones). It may just be too expensive to justify for people who're looking to add playable content rather than being mini enthusiasts. They are better off buying the boxed addons. Which, even without the H&M mini range, offer plenty of content as it is and imo hit a rather affordable sweet spot of game content and decent enough minis. We're not talking about Games Workshop here after all. 😅
 
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Fright Zone

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Dec 17, 2017
1,200
London
I’ve become obsessed with looking at Armies on Parade entries.
That really appeals to me, making a diorama with a unique/themed army, and my mind is bristling with ideas.
If only I had the time and space to actually do it!