Minneapolis protests over murder of George Floyd. Police response more severe than when white supremacists stormed capitol. (See Threadmarks to help)
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Bro, seriously?
Can someone please explain to me how robbing stores is going to do any good? Like, please explain it to me. What is that going to do except get you arrested for theft? I'll be happy to listen.
Shut the fuck up.
Do not tell the oppressed how to react to oppression.
if it helps you sleep better- looting is no more a reaction to injustice as flying cows and trucks are natural forms of precipitation from a tornado.
The riot is the reaction.
It’s not the reaction to a single slow motion senseless murder in broad daylight by people tasked with our protection- but the pent up pressure release of thousands of similar events - from filling newly built private jails with profitable guests, to utterly inadequate training for undereducated staff, to the radical militarization of a civilian role and the deliberate instillation of us vs them warrior mentality and Punisher logos.
all this while violent crime is at record lows.
it’s a pressure release of frustration because not only is little to nothing being done to address the issue - its flames are being fanned deliberately by the president and their unions have become flagrantly hostile and provocative - openly political and nakedly racist- often right there with the president.
The looting is a side effect that is picked up by the same tornado.
You are seeing the mote in thy neighbor’s eye down the length of thy own pressure treated 2x4.
but hey let’s worry about freeloading tide pod challengers.
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Heard by a biased justice system? What is this world you live in. I'd love to visit it one day. But this is America. Where blacks are disproportionately affected by everything. Statistically speaking. Silence and solidarity isn't working out too well. Especially when you meet peaceful BLACK LIVES MATTER protests with all lives matter and blue lives matter.
So the whole notion of suffering in silence is complete nonsense. No one is going to come to the rescue of black people. Especially folks slamming out some line off of a bumper sticker.
You ever hear that other MLK quote? It might be next to the yadda yadda peace and stuff one on your fridge. it's about riots being the language of the unheard? That is where the solution is. Not complaining about the symptoms. The cause is systematic racism in America. Which includes not even taking into consideration why the blacks are at it again.
The people looting and the protestors who aren’t looting will be charged with crimes. The cops who murder us will not. Can you explain to me why any of us here should give a fuck about the looting with that crushing fact in mind?
i love this. hope this asshole stays trapped in his house fearing for his life and not being able to have a good nights sleep.
Police officer's house.
First off, the protesters will be charged with crimes when all they're doing is protesting? What the fuck?
But the point of what I said in that quote is that you'll just be put in jail for looting, silenced by the police. Then what? Chances are, it accomplished nothing.
I wonder if people have tried that in the past? If they had, surely we wouldn’t be in this situation, right?
This argument is so fucking stupid because even if peaceful protesters were just bashing up local businesses for funsies, literally who gives a shit about material goods compared to the entire point of the protest.
If it scares white people so much to see property damage in their neighborhoods maybe stop bringing death to others. Stop protecting white supremacists, stop protecting the police. They should all be afraid.
If it scares white people so much to see property damage in their neighborhoods maybe stop bringing death to others. Stop protecting white supremacists, stop protecting the police. They should all be afraid.
People are robbing stores right now all over. If someone robbed a store they'll be arrested or at least you'd assume that they would. The issue with making this the focus and why people are pissed when others make this the focus is that it means absolutely nothing in context. The point of this protest isn't rob all the stores in the area nor is it about venerating store robbers as heroes. This was triggered by violence against this community by officers. It's them who have shit to answer for because its them with the power to arrest and kill. I can sleep just fine thinking about some random dude swiping loot from a Target but I can't sleep just fine knowing there's a powerful institution in literally every state that employs multiple people with bigoted ideals and unchecked power who are allowed to abuse it as they like without fear of equivalent repercussions. I don't encourage looting and don't want people to loot but in the context of this entire event, having a moral fit about how detrimental looters are just strikes me and others as insignificant. Stopping looters aren't why these people are on the streets & if the police or anyone else has such a hard on for looters then they should have cultivated a community that they didn't violently abuse and mistreat to the point of legitimate outrage at a level that supposedly "enables" looting. This is a community that has zero reason to fear or seek justice against looters over police officers who actually post the most consistent and fatal danger to them and it's the fault of law enforcement for that and no one else.
I disagree.
If shit REALLY hit the fan, they have two choices
1)Full totalitarianism. Which, in 2020 is possible, but they don't have the numbers.
2)Placate the protestors by, i dunno, actual reform.
The issue is that they had peaceful protests and effectively did everything 'right' for Philando Castile, and a more egregious crime has happened in that wake. Imagine how much of a sucker you must feel to go out, protest, hold hands, do all the right things, have that cop walk free and this bullshit to happen. Imagine that anger.
What I fear is, similar to civil rights in the 60's, we need to get to church bombings, cities burning and multiple assassinations building to outright chaos that threatens the 'gotta hear both sides' average indifferent American (who co-signs these things to continue) before the powers that be make the change.
I don't blame the protestors; this lies directly at the feed of the system. If you give people no hope in law and order, you won't have law and order. To wave the finger at the looters seems a little too late at the justice breakdown, don't you think
Black people in this country have tried peace and solidarity for well over a century. Let's ask them how it's turned out.
Oh, they're all being killed by racists. Well...uh...back to you in the studio, I guess.
This guy gets it. Also fuck the love of "property" over someone's life. We should be this mad all the time when the police kill a black man. Shits long over due in my opinion.
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I don't feel bad for Target, they're insured.
I do feel sympathy for the employees out of that store who might be out of work for a bit, and certainly for the people who have been pushed to this point by a police force who doesn't value their lives.
I do feel sympathy for the employees out of that store who might be out of work for a bit, and certainly for the people who have been pushed to this point by a police force who doesn't value their lives.
Police have the ability to deem protest illegal and arrest protestors. In a case like that that’s a rather simple thing to do.
you should actually ask yourself why do you think your concern of looting matters? What do you think this accomplishes? why in your mind does the act of looting undoes the grave injustice that spurred the looting
I keep thinking about the film "Do The Right Thing" and what critics took away from it.
Correct, "peaceful protest" as a concept is wonderful, but you do not enact systemic change through peaceful protest. That's almost never ever happened in history when we are talking about social issues as rampantly violent and as ingrained in a society as this one. BIPOC cannot actually thrive in this country until the police are dealt with.
White Americans love to feel like they live in a civilized society that has moved beyond mass riots and violent turnovers of social norms. They just want to feel safe in their pockets of Real America.
This is not a functioning society for the majority of Americans. Not for all black people. Not for most people of color. Not for queer people. Not for any poor people from any background or culture. It hasn't been for a long time if ever, and it won't be unless radical change comes through change of leadership and legislation, or through other means as necessary.
Whining about property damage occurring during the protest against white genocide of black Americans is so fucking beyond the pale at this point.
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I apologize if it seems like I'm ignoring the murderers to concentrate on this, because trust me, I'm not. All of the cops at the scene deserve to be charged with murder and accessory to murder (is that the legal term?) and it's shitty how they haven't been arrested yet. But I can't help but see the looting and think "Well, that's pointless"
I see your point. Hopefully there's actual reform before we ever get to that total anarchy stage, but god knows how fucking idiotic the American government and justice system can be.
Saw what the police did during the arrest on our news here in NZ last night....made me fucking furious, so yeah I understand why people are pissed. Imo it's murder and that wanker kneeling on his neck should be facing serious jail time.
It's not about a tangible goal. Riots are an expression of anger and rage towards larger social grievances, basically the proverbial kettle boiling over. It's a signal to authority that their people do not care about arbitrary boundaries and decorum anymore, because why should they? What do they have to lose? The local corporate chain wasn't doing anything for them before Mr. Floyd was murdered, so who ultimately gives a fuck about the sanctity of the store? You can finger-wag all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that- eventually- the oppressed will tear shit up when they feel like they have no other outlets to express their frustration.
You want to quell riots? Stop letting white people get away with killing and disenfranchising us. Also, don't put our well-being below replaceable property. It's pretty simple.
Protesters on the 101 Freeway in Los Angeles
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live/cbsn-la/video/5272758-20200528011105-cbs2-news-at-600-part-2/
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live/cbsn-la/video/5272758-20200528011105-cbs2-news-at-600-part-2/
Well damn. Minneapolis was the only major one I had seen until now.
whatever you do, don't think about the traffic being blocked.
We're in a pandemic and an economic meltdown in addition to a literal war for the lives of people and the safety of their communities. And people are upset that someone needs to steal necessities and protesters need MILK to protect themselves from the MILITARY GRADE TEARGAS being shot at them from nazis
susan collins ass motherfuckers, if you're concerned about Target go defend it
susan collins ass motherfuckers, if you're concerned about Target go defend it
The politicians and business people want the status quo to continue. Any attempt to "ask" to not kill black people are rebuked and vilified.
Leaders of movements to force change and build political power are assassinated and/or harassed by the state.
Kneeling during a football game is perceived as a threat. Saying "I can't breathe" is perceived as a threat to the police.
And it keeps happening over and over again. And no one with real power does anything to stop it.
Leaders of movements to force change and build political power are assassinated and/or harassed by the state.
Kneeling during a football game is perceived as a threat. Saying "I can't breathe" is perceived as a threat to the police.
And it keeps happening over and over again. And no one with real power does anything to stop it.
yeah, I’ll use my voice to tell you to shut the fuck up. You sound goofy as shit
And the newscasters are saying they were "hanging" onto the hood of the cruiser as the cruiser decides to just accelerate and mow the protestors down as if the protestors are wrong.
Literally. The ignore function was made for this shit.