Minneapolis protests over murder of George Floyd. Police response more severe than when white supremacists stormed capitol. (See Threadmarks to help)

FaceHugger

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nah. It's my opinion, dude.

Seriously, what does robbing stores do? It won't change what happened. You're not affecting the police in any way. They're the enemies, not the companies you're stealing from and the employees you're affecting. You wanna be angry at someone, be angry at those in the wrong.
The riot is the rhyme of the unheard

Edit: not trying to dog pile on you, just please realize they're sick and tired of being murdered weekly then the nation forgetting about it while nothing is done. Imagine the decades of frustration.
 

Achtung

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Oct 25, 2017
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Context for the Target raid? Did someone just break in and start stealing stuff? Or was this nearby the actual protest?
I know that corner very well.. videos in the tweets above pan and the Target is across the street. There is also a Cub Foods (big grocery store) and a Wendys opposite of the police station. Not much else besides small local businesses for a number of blocks. If they go East towards St Paul more smaller companies like Walgreens but the Target is the only big box store for a while in that area. Context is its a riot..
 

The_Reckoning

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Oct 27, 2017
132
RIP George Floyd

and all the other victims of this fucked up system.

This shit is so fucking tiring. I fear the fucking cops, and I'm a 30+ white dude. I can't imagine being a minority with this piece of shit police/justice system. WTF.
I just don't see this shit ever changing. Big credit to the people out protesting this. Be strong, be smart!
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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oh man, i laughed at that target looting video. this is the result of peoples pushed to the brink.

" Now entering through the back door. Yells of “Free food!” "


i think this has all the makings of another large scale LA riot. Where you're right, its the brink and multiple factors here.
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
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" Now entering through the back door. Yells of “Free food!” "


i think this has all the makings of another large scale LA riot. Where you're right, its the brink and multiple factors here.
yep. it's the touching off point of a people's fed the fuck up. i feel their pain. inequality, racism, all of the above. the police aren't here for us, and it's clear with their reaction here. we are all criminals in their eyes
 

Deffers

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Mar 4, 2018
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Just a reminder: milk is a good antidote against the effects of tear gas. Shopping carts can make good mobile barricades.

You know what place has both? A Target. You know what else it has that might be appealing to people who, in the midst of a pandemic, may not have jobs? Food. And once the floodgates are open on that, it's not gonna stop.

Of course the Target's gonna get hit. Nobody should lose a wink of sleep over it.
 

crienne

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Oct 25, 2017
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" Now entering through the back door. Yells of “Free food!” "


i think this has all the makings of another large scale LA riot. Where you're right, its the brink and multiple factors here.
Yeah, this absolutely feels like the start of the LA Riots. Can't say I blame them. Peace rarely works alone and without violence preceding it.
 
May 20, 2018
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they fucked the police station up.

Good, I'm shocked not a single officer opened fire when just one pane of glass was broken. Shit needs to be fixed, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but something needs to happen. Not this kicking the can down the road shit that has been happening for centuries.
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Terana
also worth sharing


 

boontobias

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Apr 14, 2018
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Right on queue, the outrage from people fake concerned about non-violent "looting" is slowly eclipsing the outrage over a man literally dying on the concrete
 

Bowling Pin

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Dec 9, 2017
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You're really missing the point here. You should never fight crime with more crime, even when you're fighting a big crime with smaller crime. You should fight it with peace and solidarity. Let your voice be heard without affecting others.
You must not yet know the bottomless chasm of cruelty present in the world. All your preaching falls deaf before the last gasp of the man which precipitated all of today's events.
 

Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
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Damn the riot destroying business property. Why is it when a riot becomes violent they deface and destroy their city and local businesses?

I had a discussion with a older man who participated in the Detroit riots back in the 60's. He always said it was a feeling of being in the moment and the sensation of empowerment. He didn't regret it.

All I see is how they hurt their neighbors and damage their city. :/

Edit: Wait is it the citizens destroying the area or the police?
 

BossAttack

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Oct 27, 2017
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"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity."
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Damn the riot destroying business property. Why is it when a riot becomes violent they deface and destroy their city and local businesses?

I had a discussion with a older man who participated in the Detroit riots back in the 60's. He always said it was a feeling of being in the moment and the sensation of empowerment. He didn't regret it.

All I see is how they hurt their neighbors and damage their city. :/
So someone who participated in the Detroit riots told you why they did it, this thread has further expounded on why riots happen, and yet you still don't get it.
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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Damn the riot destroying business property. Why is it when a riot becomes violent they deface and destroy their city and local businesses?

I had a discussion with a older man who participated in the Detroit riots back in the 60's. He always said it was a feeling of being in the moment and the sensation of empowerment. He didn't regret it.

All I see is how they hurt their neighbors and damage their city. :/
ya know what,

i need to take a break.


Wow. What the fuck. What the actual fuck was the point of that?!
My dude.

This is why people are currently rioting. This is how police treat a good % of citizens.
 

EdibleKnife

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Oct 29, 2017
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I apologize if it seems like I'm ignoring the murderers to concentrate on this, because trust me, I'm not. All of the cops at the scene deserve to be charged with murder and accessory to murder (is that the legal term?) and it's shitty how they haven't been arrested yet. But I can't help but see the looting and think "Well, that's pointless"
Here's the thing: What exactly do you think will happen when the looters are caught? What exactly do you think will happen when a TV is broken or a car window is smashed? If you were to see a looter in the news get arrested, what's your assumption? What's the natural order? They'll be jailed, tried, and convicted/fined in accordance with what they've taken. A TV will be made again in a factory along with thousands of others. Insurance will kick in to repair damages. A mechanic can hold a car for a day plus and replace a car window. This is the natural assumed order of everything. You don't stress about it every day because you already know this is the way it works. For people like this or black and brown people in general who fear the police, if/when they have a fatal encounter, they can't be replaced. They can't be certain of justice. They can't be certain of being treated fairly by the justice system or the media or of their families being compensated if there even is such a thing as a sufficient amount for a person unjustly killed. In the grand scheme of things, this is injustice. This injustice is the focus of this protest and these riots. This is the focus because it needs to change and has needed to change since the inception of this country yet is still stalled. It's the focus because the damage and ripple effects exceed the cost of literally anything that can be broken or stolen from any Target in the nation.

Here's a question: What exactly do you want from people when you talk about how bad looting is? If you want people to agree with you that it's bad, I'll agree. You won't run out of people who will tell you it's not good to loot if that's what you want. If you want protesters to somehow stop the looters, there's reason looters aren't these people's priority and though this is a community, like any other community they can't be held accountable for literally every other person's behavior especially in the grip of a fucked justice system that they can't trust to arrest the right person or to use their power to protect them. If someone amongst them chooses to use their time to loot, it's not on them to do the job police should be doing. If you want some justice to be served, that's on the police who are and have been using their resources to abuse these communities and have created the circumstances for the looters they supposedly hate. If you want some law to stop looting, those laws are already on the books and enforced accordingly. This is why people are at a loss. You say looting is bad or isn't the right message or that you need to fight hate with love or whatever else as if these lessons aren't as old as these fights. You're not adding anything new to the context of civil rights. It's a refain that, as people have pointed out already, MLK heard to the point of getting sick off even more than actual dyed in the wool unapologetic bigots.

We've been peaceful. We've been loving. Respectful, obedient, compliant. And we're still in the same old fights. You say "well I know but looting definitely isn't the way", ok then. If you want to take up the flag of leading hundreds of thousands of rightfully justified people and pointing them in the perfect direction of the absolute right way to gain their humanity you're free to do it. You'll need more than "looting is bad, peace is good" to do it though because people braver and smarter than this entire board have already heard that spiel, acted it out and been bitten anyways hundreds of times over. At the very least we've learned one thing over the generations, that in a capitalist system, capital will only be pushed in the right direction when threatened by loss. Too often, money and property are the only signals to people in power that things need to change and when the system is set up like that, despite not encouraging looting, I have no interest in acting like it's some absolute evil that needs to be addressed as a priority.
 

Commedieu

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Some of their cop fireworks? -- exploding on the ground, in the crowd.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Atlanta GA
Damn the riot destroying business property. Why is it when a riot becomes violent they deface and destroy their city and local businesses?

I had a discussion with a older man who participated in the Detroit riots back in the 60's. He always said it was a feeling of being in the moment and the sensation of empowerment. He didn't regret it.

All I see is how they hurt their neighbors and damage their city. :/

Edit: Wait is it the citizens destroying the area or the police?
If you are protesting against a literal nationally funded and federally protected genocidal organization but you don't want to kill anyone, what's the best way to get the attention for your movement? Bear in mind the last 200+ years have proven that prayer, discussion and "peaceful protest" don't work in this scenario and the option to vote has been taken away from about half the people in your community.
 

Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
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So someone who participated in the Detroit riots told you why they did it, this thread has further expounded on why riots happen, and yet you still don't get it.
I know why they happen. But when the outrage turns away from government buildings towards local businesses is what I don't get.

When anger and destruction destroys your own property.
 

Deffers

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Mar 4, 2018
2,404
It is good to loot, though, if you're looting milk when cops are firing tear gas at you. It's unambiguously good. It's unambiguously good to loot food when you don't have a job and don't know how long your benefits are gonna last. The fuck else are you gonna do?

Target isn't your own property! It's owned by a global corporation! That money doesn't come back to your community except through the employees, it's not a mom and pop. You think they're gonna fire the Target workers over this?
 

The_Reckoning

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Oct 27, 2017
132
Here's the thing: What exactly do you think will happen when the looters are caught? What exactly do you think will happen when a TV is broken or a car window is smashed? If you were to see a looter in the news get arrested, what's your assumption? What's the natural order? They'll be jailed, tried, and convicted/fined in accordance with what they've taken. A TV will be made again in a factory along with thousands of others. Insurance will kick in to repair damages. A mechanic can hold a car for a day plus and replace a car window. This is the natural assumed order of everything. You don't stress about it every day because you already know this is the way it works. For people like this or black and brown people in general who fear the police, if/when they have a fatal encounter, they can't be replaced. They can't be certain of justice. They can't be certain of being treated fairly by the justice system or the media or of their families being compensated if there even is such a thing as a sufficient amount for a person unjustly killed. In the grand scheme of things, this is injustice. This injustice is the focus of this protest and these riots. This is the focus because it needs to change and has needed to change since the inception of this country yet is still stalled. It's the focus because the damage and ripple effects exceed the cost of literally anything that can be broken or stolen from any Target in the nation.

Here's a question: What exactly do you want from people when you talk about how bad looting is? If you want people to agree with you that it's bad, I'll agree. You won't run out of people who will tell you it's not good to loot if that's what you want. If you want protesters to somehow stop the looters, there's reason looters aren't these people's priority and though this is a community, like any other community they can't be held accountable for literally every other person's behavior especially in the grip of a fucked justice system that they can't trust to arrest the right person or to use their power to protect them. If someone amongst them chooses to use their time to loot, it's not on them to do the job police should be doing. If you want some justice to be served, that's on the police who are and have been using their resources to abuse these communities and have created the circumstances for the looters they supposedly hate. If you want some law to stop looting, those laws are already on the books and enforced accordingly. This is why people are at a loss. You say looting is bad or isn't the right message or that you need to fight hate with love or whatever else as if these lessons aren't as old as these fights. You're not adding anything new to the context of civil rights. It's a refain that, as people have pointed out already, MLK heard to the point of getting sick off even more than actual dyed in the wool unapologetic bigots.

We've been peaceful. We've been loving. Respectful, obedient, compliant. And we're still in the same old fights. You say "well I know but looting definitely isn't the way", ok then. If you want to take up the flag of leading hundreds of thousands of rightfully justified people and pointing them in the perfect direction of the absolute right way to gain their humanity you're free to do it. You'll need more than "looting is bad, peace is good" to do it though because people braver and smarter than this entire board have already heard that spiel, acted it out and been bitten anyways hundreds of times over. At the very least we've learned one thing over the generations, that in a capitalist system, capital will only be pushed in the right direction when threatened by loss. Too often, money and property are the only signals to people in power that things need to change and when the system is set up like that, despite not encouraging looting, I have no interest in acting like it's some absolute evil that needs to be addressed as a priority.
Sadly, I feel like your words will fail to reach their intended target, but, well said.
 

Charsace

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Nov 22, 2017
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Damn the riot destroying business property. Why is it when a riot becomes violent they deface and destroy their city and local businesses?

I had a discussion with a older man who participated in the Detroit riots back in the 60's. He always said it was a feeling of being in the moment and the sensation of empowerment. He didn't regret it.

All I see is how they hurt their neighbors and damage their city. :/

Edit: Wait is it the citizens destroying the area or the police?
You are talking like a straight up fool.
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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Can we get a threadmark that cites complaining about looting? Like a link about civil rights/riots?