MiSTer FPGA System

KC-Slater · Mar 14, 2021

TeenageFBI said:
Wait wait wait. What is this about an iPad screen?

..I happen to have an iPad right here!

edit: Oh, I guess it's this:

Gotta do some research.

dubc35 said:
I think it’s only iPad 3 screens although I see 4 mentioned a couple times. I don’t know a ton about it, only that it exists and seems to be a good option. The laser bear link has links in it to the screen and driver board. Smokemonster has tweeted about it in the past, check the mister forum too:

https://www.misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=819

r/fpgagaming - 2 months later and my HDMI driver finally arrived from AliExpress. I was able to get this working: A MiSTer using the display out of an iPad 3. It looks good but way too dim at 100% brightness. Anyone have any advice on how to get the

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I’ve been playing on an iPad3 display (I think I linked an inexpensive screen from eBay earlier in the thread) and it’s been great! I’m very close to finishing my build, and I’ll post photos when it’s complete. Feel free ask any questions you may have.

Lakeside · Mar 14, 2021

I'm at a weird place with MiSTer as it pertains to Neo Geo.

I have a Neo cab and a couple home cart systems (though I got rid of my home carts). I've been thinking about ordering a flash cart to clear out my massive pile of MVS kits. But honestly MiSTer satisfies this pretty well also.

Bulk_Rate · Mar 14, 2021

Lakeside said:
I'm at a weird place with MiSTer as it pertains to Neo Geo.

I have a Neo cab and a couple home cart systems (though I got rid of my home carts). I've been thinking about ordering a flash cart to clear out my massive pile of MVS kits. But honestly MiSTer satisfies this pretty well also.

I hear you. I am 90% done (just need controller and to wire up the PSU) on a MVS supergun setup and I am wondering why I am bothering. But I will set it through!

Aeana · Mar 14, 2021

ibrahima said:
This is the kind of conversation that takes place in the ‘official misterfpga discord’.

I left the SmokeMonster discord a few months ago and there were similar conversations in there. Sentientsixp / Sentient6 in particular was very keen to adopt a weird centrist attitude to just about every topic and now retweets Gina Carano.

As coverage and news continues to build up around the platform it would seem like now would be as good a time as any to bring this kind of stuff up. There is bigotry and hatred towards BAME people amongst senior members of the community which is holding development of the platform back.

Worthwhile to note that the above account is now attempting to dox certain people, which doesn’t seem like a great idea.

Seems like they deleted the channel that this was in. Sigh. Gamer spaces are all the same. I left the classic gaming discord for a similar reason.

construct · Mar 14, 2021

ibrahima said:
This is the kind of conversation that takes place in the ‘official misterfpga discord’.

I left the SmokeMonster discord a few months ago and there were similar conversations in there. Sentientsixp / Sentient6 in particular was very keen to adopt a weird centrist attitude to just about every topic and now retweets Gina Carano.

As coverage and news continues to build up around the platform it would seem like now would be as good a time as any to bring this kind of stuff up. There is bigotry and hatred towards BAME people amongst senior members of the community which is holding development of the platform back.

Worthwhile to note that the above account is now attempting to dox certain people, which doesn’t seem like a great idea.

who is Sentientsixp / Sentient6 and Rysha in the grand scheme of things?

and does smokemonster just sit idly by?

TSM · Mar 15, 2021

ibrahima said:
This is the kind of conversation that takes place in the ‘official misterfpga discord’.

I left the SmokeMonster discord a few months ago and there were similar conversations in there. Sentientsixp / Sentient6 in particular was very keen to adopt a weird centrist attitude to just about every topic and now retweets Gina Carano.

As coverage and news continues to build up around the platform it would seem like now would be as good a time as any to bring this kind of stuff up. There is bigotry and hatred towards BAME people amongst senior members of the community which is holding development of the platform back.

Worthwhile to note that the above account is now attempting to dox certain people, which doesn’t seem like a great idea.

That's pretty fucked up and I feel bad for djhardrich that he had to put up with that racist shit. He's an awesome guy.

construct said:
who is Sentientsixp / Sentient6 and Rysha in the grand scheme of things?

and does smokemonster just sit idly by?

Sentient6 doesn't really contribute directly to mister, but if you use the mister at all you've almost certainly used things that Rysha has worked directly on. She's a big contributor to the mister project overall.

Lakeside · Mar 15, 2021

So was Sentient6 trying to stretch for some Dr. Seuss preservation angle because they aren’t going to PUBLISH some books anymore? That would be like arguing that Nintendo had to keep NES games in print forever.

ShinJohnpv · Mar 15, 2021

ibrahima said:
This is the kind of conversation that takes place in the ‘official misterfpga discord’.

I left the SmokeMonster discord a few months ago and there were similar conversations in there. Sentientsixp / Sentient6 in particular was very keen to adopt a weird centrist attitude to just about every topic and now retweets Gina Carano.

As coverage and news continues to build up around the platform it would seem like now would be as good a time as any to bring this kind of stuff up. There is bigotry and hatred towards BAME people amongst senior members of the community which is holding development of the platform back.

Worthwhile to note that the above account is now attempting to dox certain people, which doesn’t seem like a great idea.

Wow there is some fucked up shit in here from both of them. Sentient comparing a company deciding to not publish work the company itself deems racist to nazi book burning is fucking ridiculous.

anexanhume · Mar 16, 2021

ibrahima said:
This is the kind of conversation that takes place in the ‘official misterfpga discord’.

I left the SmokeMonster discord a few months ago and there were similar conversations in there. Sentientsixp / Sentient6 in particular was very keen to adopt a weird centrist attitude to just about every topic and now retweets Gina Carano.

As coverage and news continues to build up around the platform it would seem like now would be as good a time as any to bring this kind of stuff up. There is bigotry and hatred towards BAME people amongst senior members of the community which is holding development of the platform back.

Worthwhile to note that the above account is now attempting to dox certain people, which doesn’t seem like a great idea.

There’s some definite libertarian, Joe Rogan watching vibes from the community. Makes sense given the core demographic is millennial white males.

Glimlocker · Mar 16, 2021

anexanhume said:
There’s some definite libertarian, Joe Rogan watching vibes from the community. Makes sense given the core demographic is millennial white males.

Yeah, I’ve noticed this vibe pretty much all across the retro gaming scene and have come to the same conclusion.

There is definitely a more libertarian sway compared to many other gaming communities.

Deleted member 2620 · Mar 16, 2021

ibrahima said:
This is the kind of conversation that takes place in the ‘official misterfpga discord’.

I left the SmokeMonster discord a few months ago and there were similar conversations in there. Sentientsixp / Sentient6 in particular was very keen to adopt a weird centrist attitude to just about every topic and now retweets Gina Carano.

As coverage and news continues to build up around the platform it would seem like now would be as good a time as any to bring this kind of stuff up. There is bigotry and hatred towards BAME people amongst senior members of the community which is holding development of the platform back.

Worthwhile to note that the above account is now attempting to dox certain people, which doesn’t seem like a great idea.

traaaash

That's a shame.

TSM · Mar 16, 2021

anexanhume said:
There’s some definite libertarian, Joe Rogan watching vibes from the community. Makes sense given the core demographic is millennial white males.

Unfortunately this is pretty much most nerdy hobbies online. The communities that seem like they are OK to interact with only seem that way because of most people keeping their shitty opinions to themselves. Given the opportunity you get shit like you see in those tweets. It's pretty much "ignorance is bliss" when you are in a community without strong moderation where you aren't seeing stuff like that.

erotic grandpa · Mar 16, 2021

Finally figured out how to get Jotego's beta cores to work. Looking forward to seeing more CPS2 stuff in the future (isn't figuring out Q-Sound the big hurdle at the moment?).

Tried to mess with my ini files and use my cheapo VGA to composite adapter again but just kinda threw in the towel. Just can't figure out the magic settings to get this thing to display most cores on my little TV I picked up. Maybe for the best, anyway - the screen geometry on it is pretty rough.

Did have OK luck getting Neo Geo to display on it. Made it all the way to Krizalid in KOF 99 before remembering how bullshit the second half of that fight is. Good ol' SNK Boss Syndrome.

Damaniel · Mar 16, 2021

So I got my MiSTer setup today (I went the lazy route and paid a little extra for a complete unit from Mister Addons - thanks, Biden Bucks). It came loaded with a pre-installed MiSTer system, but the card was only 8GB so I installed everything to a 64GB card instead. So far, I've messed around with the SNES, NES and GBA cores, plus I set up a Windows 3.11 installation for the ao486 core. It's actually a lot easier to set up and use than I was expecting - even the 486 core was pretty straightforward for things like floppy swapping.

I'll probably give Neo Geo a go next. At some point I need to get a small CRT TV (people actually charge money for these now! You couldn't give them away 5 years ago unless they were Trinitrons...) and get analog video working.

BPHusker · Mar 16, 2021

I'm starting to look into the Mister, what are the differences between the Analog and Digital? Is one better than the other?

AtomicShroom · Mar 16, 2021

BPHusker said:
I'm starting to look into the Mister, what are the differences between the Analog and Digital? Is one better than the other?

Digital only allows you to output to HDMI. Analog allows you to output to HDMI and Analog (Component, VGA, etc).
However Digital comes with a power switch and will have leftover free pins for possible new add-ons.

mute · Mar 17, 2021

erotic grandpa said:
Finally figured out how to get Jotego's beta cores to work. Looking forward to seeing more CPS2 stuff in the future (isn't figuring out Q-Sound the big hurdle at the moment?).

Q Sound is pretty much done unless a bug pops up, or one of the unreleased beta games needs changes to work.

Acidote · Mar 18, 2021

Fularu · Mar 18, 2021

SFZ2..

HYPE

Young Magus · Mar 18, 2021

we outcha eattin fam

Also: fuck that discord server, left the other day. Got no time for that shit

mute · Mar 18, 2021

Nanairo Quiz Hype :P

Young Magus · Mar 18, 2021

mute said:
Nanairo Quiz Hype :P

Hyped for that as well!
A character from that also was in tatsunoko vs capcom!

Shaneus · Mar 18, 2021

Young Magus said:
Also: fuck that discord server, left the other day. Got no time for that shit

How so? Bit of a clusterfuck?

Young Magus · Mar 19, 2021

Shaneus said:
How so? Bit of a clusterfuck?

The recent.......issues stimmin from the wiped channel

Polyh3dron · Mar 19, 2021

construct said:
who is Sentientsixp / Sentient6 and Rysha in the grand scheme of things?

and does smokemonster just sit idly by?

Rysha is one of the main MiSTer programming people...

Sentient6 is a admin in both the official MiSTer discord and the Classic Gaming one.

Smokemonster is responsible for making these amazingly organized, fully comprehensive ROM packs for retro console flash carts and arcade flash carts and was a very big MiSTer cheerleader in the early days. He used to make lots of YouTube videos about it but has stepped away from the scene almost completely. The attention Smoke brought to MiSTer is probably the only reason we have these advanced cores that we have now.

Smokemonster's ROM packs live on as scripts in Github that you can use to organize your own ROM collections.

DRULYBXA · Mar 19, 2021

Some real sketchy rationalisation going on in those posts - but as noted above can't say I'm surprised given the demographic. The Nazi book burning bit was pretty toe curling - wtf.

Bulk_Rate · Mar 19, 2021

OK so I carefully followed the .txt file in Jotego's CPSII update today and SFA2 etc all work perfectly. But I need a sanity check:

I've played a lot of SFA2 on the Saturn, back when I owned my first Saturn in the late 90s and again since I picked up another one a year ago. Recently I've been playing on a SD CRT and loving life.

Anyway, on to my question: SFA2 on MiSTer is noticeably more responsive and seemingly even runs a bit faster vs. the Saturn version (selected "Turbo" at the SFA2 character selection screen for both). Have I been living a lie all these years thinking the Saturn version was near arcade-perfect? Mind you, the Sat version is still amazing, and moreso I definitely prefer the audio mix on the Saturn version.

anexanhume · Mar 19, 2021

Sectorseven · Mar 19, 2021

Those composite adapters are nice, but we really need someone to implement support directly into the framework.

TSM · Mar 20, 2021

Sectorseven said:
Those composite adapters are nice, but we really need someone to implement support directly into the framework.

It's not really necessary since it can simply be transcoded from either RGB or Component video. The problem has been that there wasn't an existing commercial product that would do it and also properly maintain 240p video. You'd end up with 480i which doesn't look right at all.

Polyh3dron · Mar 20, 2021

Bulk_Rate said:
OK so I carefully followed the .txt file in Jotego's CPSII update today and SFA2 etc all work perfectly. But I need a sanity check:

I've played a lot of SFA2 on the Saturn, back when I owned my first Saturn in the late 90s and again since I picked up another one a year ago. Recently I've been playing on a SD CRT and loving life.

Anyway, on to my question: SFA2 on MiSTer is noticeably more responsive and seemingly even runs a bit faster vs. the Saturn version (selected "Turbo" at the SFA2 character selection screen for both). Have I been living a lie all these years thinking the Saturn version was near arcade-perfect? Mind you, the Sat version is still amazing, and moreso I definitely prefer the audio mix on the Saturn version.

In its first beta, I'm not quite sure if SFA2 is arcade perfect yet... but Jotego is a stickler for ultimately having arcade perfect cores so it'll get there if it isn't already.

As for the audio in the Saturn it's most likely better because Saturn has better audio hardware, and CPS2's audio is inherently aliased as all hell. It has been discussed that there is some kind of audio low pass filter happening on CPS2 cabinets which is not simulated in this core, we are just getting the raw PCM audio. But the audio is faithful to the CPS2 aside from that filter.

I'm running SFA2 Gold on PlayStation right now and it's definitely using Redbook CD audio that is incredibly superior to the aliased mess in the CPS2. But again, the MiSTer CPS2 audio is faithful. And yeah the MiSTer version is way more responsive. It really is night and day.

Shaneus · Mar 20, 2021

Young Magus said:
The recent.......issues stimmin from the wiped channel

Oh, I only just noticed the screens above. Fucking yikes, yeeesh.

Mantrox · Mar 20, 2021

Polyh3dron said:
In its first beta, I'm not quite sure if SFA2 is arcade perfect yet... but Jotego is a stickler for ultimately having arcade perfect cores so it'll get there if it isn't already.

As for the audio in the Saturn it's most likely better because Saturn has better audio hardware, and CPS2's audio is inherently aliased as all hell. It has been discussed that there is some kind of audio low pass filter happening on CPS2 cabinets which is not simulated in this core, we are just getting the raw PCM audio. But the audio is faithful to the CPS2 aside from that filter.

I'm running SFA2 Gold on PlayStation right now and it's definitely using Redbook CD audio that is incredibly superior to the aliased mess in the CPS2. But again, the MiSTer CPS2 audio is faithful. And yeah the MiSTer version is way more responsive. It really is night and day.

Is it just the low pass filter missing? It sounds like it's more than that.
You can tell the low end is almost missing but the samples are super aliased, and they sound very smooth on a real board.

For example, on the "Round 1" "Fight", the aliasing is super pronounced.

Even though this second clip is not a direct capture, that's how it always sounded to me.
I had the board for a few years. Still have an Alpha 3 kicking around.

Deleted member 442 · Mar 20, 2021

Mantrox said:
Is it just the low pass filter missing? It sounds like it's more than that.
You can tell the low end is almost missing but the samples are super aliased, and they sound very smooth on a real board.

For example, on the "Round 1" "Fight", the aliasing is super pronounced.

Even though this second clip is not a direct capture, that's how it always sounded to me.
I had the board for a few years. Still have an Alpha 3 kicking around.

I think you’re right about there being an issue. Certain sounds and voice clips in Puzzle Fighter are very harsh too. Background music otherwise seems fine so it would be interesting to know what is going on there.

Bulk_Rate · Mar 20, 2021

ibrahima said:
I think you’re right about there being an issue. Certain sounds and voice clips in Puzzle Fighter are very harsh too. Background music otherwise seems fine so it would be interesting to know what is going on there.

Heck yeah, the SPF2 voices sound like they're filtered through a worn-out Taco Bell drive through speaker.

Also as for the Saturn vs. MiSTer SFA2 speed, I figured it out. The Saturn lets you select up to 8 levels of Turbo in the option menu; default is 4. If you set the Saturn to 6 it is equivalent to the arcade board set to "Turbo 2" or "Free Select 2" in the Test menu.

Mantrox · Mar 20, 2021

Jotego is a G though. He will figure it out in time.
I'm just waiting for Dimahoo. I really wanna get back into it, on the arcade cab.

The weapons and armor collecting mechanics on that game are rad.

Hope everything is alright with Josh, the cave core developer, he's been radio silent for a while.

Deleted member 442 · Mar 20, 2021

Skip to 40 seconds in.

Might be worthwhile comparing to above video of direct capture from a darksoft board via an OSSC. I can understand if there’s an amount of ground noise or similar on the OSSC capture but there seems to be a pretty noticeable difference in the ‘Round 1 Fight’ voice clip.

I’ve posted a quick reply on the patreon post. With any luck there will be some useful feedback over the next few days that will help narrow down the issue.

stan423321 · Mar 20, 2021

Is CPS2 "mixing sound by muxing" like early Mega Drive, Namco's wavetable cart for Famicom etc.?

Deleted member 442 · Mar 20, 2021

stan423321 said:
Is CPS2 "mixing sound by muxing" like early Mega Drive, Namco's wavetable cart for Famicom etc.?

CPS2 QSound runs off a single DSP and a small amount of supporting hardware, so I don’t believe it would on that basis.

Futaleufu · Mar 20, 2021

The CPS2 sound always had too much echo/reverb, don't expect it to sound crystal clear nor realistic.

Lakeside · Mar 20, 2021

MisterAddons has MiSTerCade for preorder (JAMMA version).

mute · Mar 20, 2021

It's funny as I played the Saturn version of one of the Alpha/Zero games for the first time recently and thought to myself "this doesn't sound right" :p

Roge_NES · Mar 20, 2021

F34R · Mar 20, 2021

Roge_NES said:

I'm jealous of that dang crt setup.

Deleted member 442 · Mar 21, 2021

Got a reply from jotego on the patreon post. He's going to look at the sound issues this week.

Mantrox · Mar 21, 2021

ibrahima said:
Got a reply from jotego on the patreon post. He's going to look at the sound issues this week.

Cheers

mute · Mar 21, 2021

I was trying to cheese Nanairo quiz by using the core credits screen to pause the question timer. A lot of stuff I have no idea about (and a lot of names that I'm not going to be able to read even if I know the answer) but I did get a question about Knight Rider correct lol.

BlockABoots · Mar 21, 2021

Has anyone here made there own Scart cable to use along with a HDMI to VGA adapter?

Jegriva · Mar 21, 2021

Bulk_Rate said:
OK so I carefully followed the .txt file in Jotego's CPSII update today and SFA2 etc all work perfectly. But I need a sanity check:

I've played a lot of SFA2 on the Saturn, back when I owned my first Saturn in the late 90s and again since I picked up another one a year ago. Recently I've been playing on a SD CRT and loving life.

Anyway, on to my question: SFA2 on MiSTer is noticeably more responsive and seemingly even runs a bit faster vs. the Saturn version (selected "Turbo" at the SFA2 character selection screen for both). Have I been living a lie all these years thinking the Saturn version was near arcade-perfect? Mind you, the Sat version is still amazing, and moreso I definitely prefer the audio mix on the Saturn version.

AFAIK, CPS2 games on Saturn were great ports, but seldom "arcade perfect". For example Sat didn't support the 384x224 resolution, and cropped the games horizontally.

Replicant · Mar 21, 2021

BPHusker said:
I'm starting to look into the Mister, what are the differences between the Analog and Digital? Is one better than the other?

They are the same. Analog allows a vga output where the digital has an on/off switch. I made the mistake of buying the digital thinking that was the only way to get hdmi output, but hdmi is on the nano itself. You apparently you can get a cheap hdmi to vga adapter that works for converting to analog output

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