MLB 2020 Offseason |OT| - Bang Bang

captive

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,029
Houston
captive, why do you think the problem is solely the sign stealing or even the "technology" aspect of it?
because thats what they got punished for. There's no rule in the MLB rulebook that says sign stealing is illegal. The "illegal" part was using either a "mechanical device" as denoted by a memo from the MLB office in 1960 or 61, or an "electronic device" as from a memo in the early 2000s from the MLB office. And finally the memo from Manfred in 2017 after giving the red sex an undisclosed slap on the wrist for using "electronic devices" to relay signs.

the problem is like everything else MLB has ignored this issue and in fact didn't discourage it. After replay review was introduced in 2014 teams asked the league office if they could use those to "decode signs" and the big brains at the league office, despite literal decades of "illegal" sign stealing, said yea sure, you can do that. Teams even asked if they could set up cameras as "training devices" trained on the catcher. And not a single person at the league office said, man i bet these guys will use that to steal signs in real time?

The league doesnt care about this shit. The only reason they did anything about PEDs is Consecos book. The only reason they are pretending to now is because Fiers went public. From my reading on the subject, the Astros along with a host of other teams have been repeatedly turned into the league office for "illegal sign stealing." And every time the league does nothing. They don't care because offense puts butts in seats. In fact they care so little about it, i haven't found a single instance of a player or team being punished for illegal sign stealing before the 2017 Red Sox were punished for it.

even doing a modicum of research you come up with story after story like this. about "illegal" sign stealing, PEDs, corked bats, pitchers using foreign substances, scuffing balls, you name it. Literally every article ive found on the subject has some team using a mechanical or electronic device to steal signs and in most of the articles its often treated as "unwritten rule" don't make it too obvious, IE having pine tar on your neck when your pitching, and everyone stays mostly mum about it.

 

zulux21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,112
oh hey. one of the white sox games are broadcast today and my tmobile sub is still alive. guess I'm watching some baseball today
 

Luap

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,023

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
25,038
Which is stupid as hell. There should be plenty of teams that could benefit from Puig. What's going

Hes not good enough to warrant whatever contract he might be seeking, even as a one year deal. He’s not really improved much over the years, and his production for a corner outfielder just isn’t that special. Some team with anemic OF depth will eventually pick him up, but it just dawned on me today because I was reading Keith Law’s top 100 prospects list and both Downs and Gray made it. Not a good look for the Reds.
 

Ron Paul

It's Happening
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,436
Texas
because thats what they got punished for. There's no rule in the MLB rulebook that says sign stealing is illegal. The "illegal" part was using either a "mechanical device" as denoted by a memo from the MLB office in 1960 or 61, or an "electronic device" as from a memo in the early 2000s from the MLB office. And finally the memo from Manfred in 2017 after giving the red sex an undisclosed slap on the wrist for using "electronic devices" to relay signs.

the problem is like everything else MLB has ignored this issue and in fact didn't discourage it. After replay review was introduced in 2014 teams asked the league office if they could use those to "decode signs" and the big brains at the league office, despite literal decades of "illegal" sign stealing, said yea sure, you can do that. Teams even asked if they could set up cameras as "training devices" trained on the catcher. And not a single person at the league office said, man i bet these guys will use that to steal signs in real time?

The league doesnt care about this shit. The only reason they did anything about PEDs is Consecos book. The only reason they are pretending to now is because Fiers went public. From my reading on the subject, the Astros along with a host of other teams have been repeatedly turned into the league office for "illegal sign stealing." And every time the league does nothing. They don't care because offense puts butts in seats. In fact they care so little about it, i haven't found a single instance of a player or team being punished for illegal sign stealing before the 2017 Red Sox were punished for it.

even doing a modicum of research you come up with story after story like this. about "illegal" sign stealing, PEDs, corked bats, pitchers using foreign substances, scuffing balls, you name it. Literally every article ive found on the subject has some team using a mechanical or electronic device to steal signs and in most of the articles its often treated as "unwritten rule" don't make it too obvious, IE having pine tar on your neck when your pitching, and everyone stays mostly mum about it.

A few years ago didn't we sue the St. Louis Cardinals and win the suit?I forgot how the Cards were cheating off us, but I know they cheated using the Astros for something
 

captive

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,029
Houston

Baked Pigeon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,071
Phoenix
Kinda surprised it was not posted already, but it was discovered that Madison Bumgarner was participating in rodeo events under the alias Mason Saunders 😂. He even took first place in a team roping event and won 26k. No one in the DBacks front office had any idea this was going on 😆.
 

affeinvasion

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,622
Kinda surprised it was not posted already, but it was discovered that Madison Bumgarner was participating in rodeo events under the alias Mason Saunders 😂. He even took first place in a team roping event and won 26k. No one in the DBacks front office had any idea this was going on 😆.
That sounds like something a relief pitcher would do. Mason Saunders is a great alias, though.
 

Baked Pigeon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,071
Phoenix
Baseball confirmed
very nice 👍

Couldn't something like this void his contract?
When asked, Mike Hazen declined to answer anything about contracts. My guess is they had a talk and both sides move forward.
 

zulux21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,112
if the regular season goes like spring training it will be a good season for the white sox and I don't know if I will make it.
white sox are 3 and 2
in their three wins they won in the 9th, won in the 9th, and won decently, but going into the 9th it was a 3-2 game and they added 4 runs.
in their two losses they had the tying run on third with 1 out in the 9th and got blown out in a split squad game
they also have a tie which they... tied it up in the 9th
 

boxter432

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
2,121
if the regular season goes like spring training it will be a good season for the white sox and I don't know if I will make it.
white sox are 3 and 2
in their three wins they won in the 9th, won in the 9th, and won decently, but going into the 9th it was a 3-2 game and they added 4 runs.
in their two losses they had the tying run on third with 1 out in the 9th and got blown out in a split squad game
they also have a tie which they... tied it up in the 9th
And how many players involved in these 9th inning heart attack games will be playing in the majors?