Sign stealing is OK as long as you have a runner on first, second or third, or provided the catcher is dumb enough to allow his signs to be seen by the first or third base coaches or from the dugout.
MLB has said its ok to "steal signs" via "Video Review" (see Aaron Judge with printouts from center field 2019 ALCS)
MLB says its ok to pick up on pitch tipping from "Video Review"
As long as none of these things are relayed in real time to the batter.
yea what they did was wrong and they shouldn't have done it. But id really like it if people stop acted like this was the biggest sports scandal since the black sox. Or that the astros were the only team doing in.
from the very article that broke the story.
"Inside the game, there is a belief which is treated by players and staff as fact: That illegal sign stealing, particularly through advanced technology, is everywhere.
"It's an issue that permeates through the whole league," one major league manager said. "The league has done a very poor job of policing or discouraging it."
Electronic sign stealing is not a single-team issue. Major League Baseball rules prohibit clubs from using electronic equipment to steal catchers' signs and convey information. Still, the commissioner's office hears complaints about many different organizations — everything from mysterious people in white shirts sending signals from center field to elaborate systems involving television cameras and tablets."
the indians did almost the exact thing as the astros, back in the 60s.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/11/13/sign-stealing-baseball-history
The mets and brewers have accused the dodgers, the rangers and brewers have also been named as well as the Yankees by a player on their roster in 2019. This information is all out there, easy to find. Yu Darvish has a public spat going on with Yelich because he believes they were sign stealing.
Mike Scott admitted the mets did the same thing in One Pitch Away he says "When I was with the Mets, we had a TV monitor in the bullpen. It was just zeroing in from center field. You could see every sign the catcher gave. We could stand out there, and if we knew it was a breaking ball, boom, we could give the hitter a sign."
Manual Corpas - on Phillies stealing signs via binoculars and relaying them this season ] - "If you're dumb enough to let us get them it's your fault. It's been going on in the game a long time. If you're dumb enough to let us get them, that's your problem."
Like, I wish the press conference was them just being like "we're sorry we cheated the game" and then at least you could feel like they acknowledged it. They are so adamant about not owning it that the entire franchise and fanbase are damn near drawing summoning circles hoping for every team to be cheaters too, trying to conflate all sign stealing (or unrelated things like steroids) into what they did.
Crane won't even acknowledge that it was a bad thing, only that they "broke a rule". I want this to be done because everyone paid up and they're not revoking titles, but it won't blow over if it's muddied up or disavowed.
At this point I don't think they should have even apologized yesterday. Literally nothing they could have said or done would appease fans of other teams or the national media.
when Jim Crane announced he fired Luhnow and Hinch media asked "when will the players apologize"
jim crane: we'll get together at spring training and handle that then.
national media *grumble grumble* why aren't they apologizing,why is it taking so long to apologize
national media yesterday "why did you wait so long to apologize"
jim crane fucking told you they'd handle it at spring training
basically this.
but i've never seen a bunch of whiny ass bitches as yankee players, fans and media (barstool in particular) (not necessarily yankee fans here)
Tanaka feels cheated? Lets go in the way back machine shall we?
2015 AL Wild Card game, played at Yankee Stadium.
Score Astros 1 Yankees 0.
so the yankees managed to *checks notes* score 0 runs at home.
2017 ALCS Home team Advantage, Astros
Yankees win all 3 games at home in relatively convincing fashion, coming back to houston with a 3-2 lead, only need 1 win to go to the world series.
They scored *checks notes* 1 run in two games. Game 7 Lance McCullers Jr throws like 150 consecutive knuckle curves. To the point that i even texted my good friend and said hey, McCann isn't even putting down a sign anymore.
2019 ALCS Home team Advantage, Astros.
Yankees take game 1 in convincing fashion, doing what they could not in 2017, winning on the road.
Yankees then lose 3 of the next four since Astros pitchers figured out how to pitch in Yankee Stadium, unlike 2017. Game 2 goes into 11 innings giving both teams plenty of changes to score more than 2 whole runs.
Game 6, Astros blow save, Chapman throws a cement mixer hanging slider that Altuve crushes, as he routinely does, game over series over.
by all accounts teams were wise to sign stealing in the playoffs and were using multiple signs even without runners on making it very difficult to decipher them.
Barstool in particular are a bunch of whiny bitches, they played a clip by bregman talking about BATS where players can pull up any pitch thrown by any pitcher in any stadium as if thats cheating. Half the damn league uses the same system.
So the Astros basically knew which pitch was coming, won the WS but are claiming it "didn't affect the game"? LOL. I've never hated any MLB franchise until now. Absolute clowns.
yea they knew every single pitch and only pretended they didn't so they would lose games and lose the world series and not set ridiciulous 162 game winning streaks.
saracasm aside, thank you for providing me a nice seaway to my next topic.
Hypocrisy.
You appear to be a Nats fan, i hope you plan on booing Will Harris then.
or this for yankees fans and media asking charmin soft questions to Cole.
Guarantee you Twins fans aren't going to be booing Marwin Gonzalez. Dodgers fans seem genuinely excited to have Mookie Betts who's former team was caught and
fined for Apple watch usage sign stealing in 2017 and currently under investigation for the exact same sign stealing as the Astros but in 2018.
Yankees fans are going to fucking LOVE carlos correa when he walks in 2 years or whenever it is and goes to the yankees to get PPPPAAAID. They ain't gonna say shit about it.
We like to act all supreme in the moment about any scandal ever. But the same national media thats killing the Astros right now, routinely call Belichick and Tom Brady the goats. This thread from our own forum
https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-over-no-more-debates-tom-brady-is-the-goat-no-contest.97526/ has 3 mentions in the first 2 pages of cheating and thats it, most everyone else just agrees.
The only reason i even got reminded of the Saints Bountygate was because of the current astros scandal. The last time before that? Who the fuck knows but i listen to sports radio almost every day. IMO Bountygate is the worst "sports scandal" since 2000, your intentionally trying to injure fellow humans. Thats disgusting.
We conveniently ignore players in the 50-70s using amphetimines and cocaine and we glorify those players as legends now. We ignore the "scandals" mentioned at the top of my post.
kindly spare me your indigent outrage about sign stealing.