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MMA-ERA |OT| Immigrant Mentality

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Riskbreaker

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Nov 1, 2017
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I. . .agree with the mark.
Great time to make my first post here, but I do.
When Strikeforce had their freakshow fights they weren't for belts.
Not to say abolish all freakshow fights but you can build your card for both, having a freakshow fight and a title fight the same night.
I just don't think the UFC is building new stars with this current strategy.
 
Vert boil

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Conor put out a statement,

I sincerely apologize for my behavior at last weekends fight event in Dublin. While trying to support a loyal teammate and friend, I let my emotions get the best of me and acted out of line. As a multiple weight UFC champion, executive producer, role model and public figure, I must hold myself to a higher standard.
The referee Marc Godard was making a horrendous decision in trying to pick an unconscious fighter up off the floor and force the fight to continue into the second round. Even against the wishes of the said fighters coach. The fight was over.
After witnessing my fighter in a fight where the worst happened and the opponent passed away from his injuries on the night, I thought the worst was about to happen again, and I lost it and over reacted. I am sorry to everyone.
I sincerely apologize to the Director of the Mohegan Tribe Department of Athletic Regulation, Mike Mazzulli, all the officials and staff working the event, Andy Ryan and his fighter John, two stonch ones that put up a great fight every time. That side will always have my respect, and lastly every one of my fans. I love yous all!
I've always learned from my mistakes and this will be no different.
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Then Marc Goddard posted one an hour later,

After a couple of days of downtime and reflection I would like to offer some clarification on the events that unfolded in the fight between Charlie Ward & John Redmond at Bellator 187. As per usual there is much assumption and conjecture so allow me to clear the up the facts and put to bed the inaccuracies.

The 1st round was progressing and passing without incident and subsequently my involvement. As the round drew to a close the 10 second warning sounded and that was heard and acknowledged by me. Soon after Charlie Ward connected with a left hand that slumped John Redmond to his knees. At this exact point I could not and had not made my determination that John was either out of the contest or not in the position to intelligently defend himself.

The punch and action that followed naturally resulted in a surge of crowd noise, one that was so significant I had already made my determination that I could not audibly hear the bell sound for the end of the round, I had made my decision to step in with the belief that bell had indeed been sounded, when in actual fact it had not. This is a critical fact to the ensuing proceedings.

At this point on my step in, and you will clearly see from the video replay that I only step across and do not wave the fight off. Charlie Ward, understandably so had reeled off in celebration thinking that I had indeed ended the contest and not as I had actually done, called time on what I believed to be the end of the round. Two distinctly different endings.

At this point Conor McGregor, who had once again been stood for the entire duration of the round in close proximity of the cage had taken my intervention, wrongly, as the end of the contest and proceeded to jump the fence to enter the fighting area to congratulate what he believed to be his team mates victory. At this point again my immediate concern was John Redmond who was still on his hands and knees and not in a position to look up and at me, please remember at this point I had still not officially called a stop to the contest.

John Redmond was moving and still in an obvious daze from the concussive blow. At this point, due to the ensuing confusion and people in the ring who shouldn't be, I had still not decided that Redmond was out of the contest and that I has stepped in to stop the fight for what I had ultimately believed to have been the bell sound. Had I have had the chance to look and assess the condition of Redmond, even in real time to ascertain should the fight be stopped then I would naturally have done so, of course I did not.

As I see Conor McGregor in the ring – this is the ONLY reason that I approach Mr Ward. Conor is of zero concern to me at this point, he "happened to be there" [wrongly] and my intention again as you will clearly see from the video is to approach Charlie to let him know that the fight was not at that point officially over, that he should return to his corner and wait for my assessment and call. Had I indeed ended the bout then the fact Conor McGregor was in the ring would have been of zero concern to me and I wouldn't even have approached them. I would have no need to.

I was talking only to Charlie Ward at this point and you will see me put my arms between him and Conor McGregor, trying to separate and restore order to notify him to go back to his corner and continue the rest period, I was trying to communicate with Charlie Ward and then trying to tell Conor to leave, it wasn't done yet. This is when Conor McGregor began firstly his verbal assault in my direction. My only thought at this point was to notify Charlie Ward, and his corner team, of my decision at the time and restore order to the fighting area. Also the condition of John Redmond and then subsequently bringing in the Dr in the rest period to make a determination. Of course the ensuing mêlée and confusion had completely prevented that from happening, that is the result of the actions of one man.

Still at this point I had no dialogue with the official timekeeper as order and control was trying to be kept in the cage. I will make zero allowance for what people believe to be a referee's intervention and not a security or commission representative's job. Know this – when a fight is in swing and in the fighting area then as long as that is going on and the relevant parties are present and involved then it is my responsibility to provide the over-riding authority, it always had/has and it always will be so please allow me to first make that categorically clear. Whilst those combatants and all who surround them are within the fighting area both before during and after the contest then they will and they are under my jurisdiction – make no mistake about that fact. So to the people who think and believe otherwise then you are categorically and wholly wrong. When I referee it is my area and I will control it.

So to all of you out there who wrongly assumed that I approach Charlie to eject Conor then you are sadly mistaken and plain wrong, the only reason I approach is to tell Charlie to Go back to his corner as the fight was not over. It's called restoring order and gaining control – who else was going to do it?

People have a strange habit, particularly in highly charged and emotional affairs such as MMA contest's of seeing and believing what indeed has not happened. There has been the notion and belief of the fact that I had pushed Conor McGregor when this factually and categorically untrue – please again watch the video and you will see very clearly that I have my arms in between Charlie and Conor whilst trying to tell Charlie to return to his corner and let me make my determination, pushing fighters, or anyone unnecessarily so is simply not in my nature, or protocol of conduct to do so. It is then again, clearly, that you will see Conor McGregor who put his hands on my chest to shove me, I then turn and walk away to go back and check on the condition of John Redmond.

Immediately behind me Conor McGregor is running after me, incensed that the fight was not yet officially ruled over, trying to get round a commission representative, this is unbeknown to me and again if you look at the video he then breaks free of the commissioner and round into my back, it was a light and insignificant touch of no concern to me but what is of paramount importance here is the facts. The video does not lie. Again at this point I wanted to look at Paul Redmond and had notified his corned that it was not over, I had called for what I had believed to be the bell. Conor McGregors actions and ensuing melee of additional people with and connected to him, again with zero need or authority to even be in the cage, had also resulted in Paul Redmond being knocked around by the very people who were trying to ensure his safety and well being.

It was then that finally, in a second of respite amongst the carnage do I get to see the timekeeper who tells me that bell was sounded one second after I had stepped across. This is when it becomes apparently and easily clear to me that the fight was now officially ruled and over and Charlie Ward had indeed rightfully won the fight, based upon my actions alone.

Conor McGregor was then forcefully ejected from the cage, whilst still trying to get to me and continuing his verbal tirade and threats, including "seeing me in Birmingham" [my hometown] Conor McGregor's threats are of no concern to me. He then circled outside of the cage and jumped back up on the cage and when a commission official tried to get him down he struck out to him. The video presents all the evidence that is needed. People are mistakenly under the belief that they are entitled to their own opinion and I'm not really up for that train of thought however, we can argue that one, but what you're never entitled to is your own facts – these will always remain unchanged.

It is of imperative importance that this point is understood – once I know that I had stepped across and in between the fighters at 4:59 [or any time for that matter] then the fight is officially over and there is no going back. Again at this point it was categorically clear to me that John Redmond was indeed in no state to continue and the rightful winner was Charlie Ward. Had I been allowed to make my determination without the interference of unauthorized persons in the cage in the first place then the ensuing melee would have indeed not occurred and normal protocol could have ensued. I then notified all concerned and we could conclude the bout officially and satisfactorily. At no point did I attempt to "pick up an unconscious fighter" [he was not unconscious] and of course would never "force the fight to continue"

The important point to note here is that the condition and safety of the fighter trumps any and all other decisions. Their ability to be safely allowed to continue in a contest is only ever called by the referee, the person in charge of that contest and the sole arbiter. When I am unfairly delayed or robbed of that opportunity from outside and external sources it brings not only the sport into disrepute but from my primary role and function of being able to make the right decision, the correct decision that is both safe and fair to the athlete concerned.

I have enjoyed a very good and enjoyable relationship over many, many years with fighters and members of SBGi who have always represented themselves and the team with class and respect. I would like to thank all the team who approached and messaged me directly. I wish you all continued success and good fortune.

Literally thousands of messages received too, I appreciate your support and kind words but this is about MMA not me. I have declined every single media/news request to speak publically, these are my own words. I would like to thank Mike Mazzulli ABC president and the inspectors from the Mohegan Tribe Commission for the support.

I do not wish for any further action to be taken against any party, in particular Conor McGregor, but ultimately that is entirely out of my hands. I hope that the situation can be reviewed, learned from on how we could prevent a repeat instance and then case closed, we move on for the good of the sport.

I have known, witnessed and refereed Conor on many previous occasions over the years and watched, even in support of his meteoric rise, speaking publically to commend him and offer an insight when others had turned against him. I have known Conor before he was the mega star that he is now, long before he amassed his fame and fortune – the difference being I respected him the same and treated him no different back then.

The sport of MMA is the bigger picture here and is of my primary concern and anyone who knows me, truly knows me, will underline that. As I said on Saturday morning before leaving Dublin – I operate with integrity, belief and values – all of the time, every time.

I apologise in advance for the lengthy statement.

My respect and thanks.
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KefkaPalazzo

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So Woodley will be headlining UFC 219 it seems.

Colby is the only fight that makes sense with RDA-Lawler scheduled, and Wonderboy just having two shots, but it's supposedly not him.

Diaz? Unless they think they can strike lightning with Till. Think it's too early for him and Usman though.
 
Heel

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Riskbreaker said:
I. . .agree with the mark.
Great time to make my first post here, but I do.
When Strikeforce had their freakshow fights they weren't for belts.
Not to say abolish all freakshow fights but you can build your card for both, having a freakshow fight and a title fight the same night.
I just don't think the UFC is building new stars with this current strategy.
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There's just a ton of problems when it comes to the UFC and creating stars. I don't think this example is chief among them.

I hesitate to call them "freakshow fights", because all of the fights themselves ultimately proved to have merit in competition - all of which began with Bisping beating the "merit-based" champion fair-and-square as a late replacement.

In the end, UFC is righting the ship by giving the...lineal merit-based interim champion Robert Whitaker a title shot bound by contract, so it's not like the UFC is completely without compass when it comes to legitimizing the title.

Welcome!
 

Riskbreaker

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Heel said:
There's just a ton of problems when it comes to the UFC and creating stars. I don't think this example is chief among them.

I hesitate to call them "freakshow fights", because all of the fights themselves ultimately proved to have merit in competition - all of which began with Bisping beating the "merit-based" champion fair-and-square as a late replacement.

In the end, UFC is righting the ship by giving the...lineal merit-based interim champion Robert Whitaker a title shot bound by contract, so it's not like the UFC is completely without compass when it comes to legitimizing the title.

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I would rank Bisping v Hendo 2 as a freakshow fight, but maybe that's me.

I feel like the UFC would not be pulling a lot for the things they can do if they had actual competition.

And that lack of competition allows them to do things like have fighters sign over their likeness for life and make up a fake ranking system that raises sometimes the day of a fight.

I just feel a good promoter can elevate a non charismatic fighter, like the UFC used to be able to do.

And I feel like they do this out of fear of a say a Maia winning and dominating their weight class.

But that's the point of competition. Boring fighters eventually fall to greater competition.
 
stro

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I'd say having a president who goes out of his way to diminish people's drawing ability based on his petty personal issues is one of the more harmful things in the Ultimate right now. I'm sure we remember him going out of his way to sell the public that GSP was trash and couldn't come back when they weren't able to agree to terms and GSP threatened to go to Bella.
 

Riskbreaker

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stro said:
I'd say having a president who goes out of his way to diminish people's drawing ability based on his petty personal issues is one of the more harmful things in the Ultimate right now. I'm sure we remember him going out of his way to sell the public that GSP was trash and couldn't come back when they weren't able to agree to terms and GSP threatened to go to Bella.
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That's another thing. Why should I plonk down 60 bones on a fighter Dana just called a coward, or boring 4 months prior. It'd be like if Don King stated all Mike Tyson's wins were against cans or something. Arguable. Yes. Drums up interest for me to watch a fight? Not so much.
 
NinjaScooter

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lmao @ Oscar De La Hoya. Didn't he call Conor's fight with Floyd a disgrace...now he's shamelessly trying to get in on the money train? Get real Oscar you ain't passing a piss test.
 
Biosnake

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Supposedly Woodley is not fighting against a ranked welterweight. It's either gonna be GSP or one of the Diaz brothers I'm guessing.
 
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Syder

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Woodley v Nate on the New Years card?

I wouldn't complain.
 
canseesea

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Styles make fights, and a Tyron vs Diaz fight lets UFC enter 2018 as the number 1 sleep aid in the country with no known side effects.
 
Mahkor

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Yari said:
https://twitter.com/CTaylor_96/status/930580381165748224
"I'm told that Nate Diaz is currently finalizing the deals for his next fight. I was not given the opponent but was told "Nate's supporters will love this matchup"."

Tony Ferguson then I guess
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I don't think Nate can make that weight anymore, would love to be wrong since that would be an amazing fight (completly unfair for El Cucuy but still an awesome matchup) so I'm going with Woodley, the Diaz bros are my favorite fighters but a lot of the times they seem to struggle with wrestlers so Woodley would be a safe bet in that match.
 
Chumley

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Tony won't and shouldn't fight anyone until Conor steps up.
 
Yari

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Mahkor said:
I don't think Nate can make that weight anymore, would love to be wrong since that would be an amazing fight (completly unfair for El Cucuy but still an awesome matchup) so I'm going with Woodley, the Diaz bros are my favorite fighters but a lot of the times they seem to struggle with wrestlers so Woodley would be a safe bet in that match.
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Hmm, wasnt Nate vs Conor 3 supposed to be at that weight?

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Styles make fights, and a Tyron vs Diaz fight lets UFC enter 2018 as the number 1 sleep aid in the country with no known side effects.
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My thoughts exactly. I can't really get excited for any fight involving Woodley anymore at this point.
 

Riskbreaker

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canseesea said:
Styles make fights, and a Tyron vs Diaz fight lets UFC enter 2018 as the number 1 sleep aid in the country with no known side effects.
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The Diaz'es aren't exactly counter strikers.
This is going to be a human bloody punching bag fight/highlight reel slams for Woodley. More than likely the former due to lack of risk.
Generally, fans love those types of fights.
 
parrotbeak

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I'll give Tyron the benefit of the doubt and think he'd try to go for the ko, at least early on. Diaz wins by wearing him down so he should try to finish early. Diaz is hittable and Tyron has ko power, at least early.

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What else can they do for this last PPV?
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The question really is how did they get to this where the NYE show has no scheduled ME a month out, and they're struggling to find stars that are worthy of the final PPV of the year.

10 years ago this was the December PPV

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Both UFC and Pride had built up their 205 champs as unbeatable KO machines. Then in 2006 Wand got in the UFC cage wearing the Pride logo and declared to the world, "I want to fuck Chuck". We waited a full year, and then in October 2007, the news hit: superfight in December. That's how to make people buy a fucking PPV.

GSP/Hughes 3 was the bonus fight.
 
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Syder

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UFC 217 was an anomaly, UFC lucked out with that and any other PPV that was half decent this year.

They don't build up and comers and Dana openly shits on fighters. You can be as good as you want but if you can't talk and build fights yourself, you're screwed because UFC ain't gonna do it for you.
 
parrotbeak

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Ya I know, I just wanted to see what the PPV was 10 years ago and that's what it was. Then I got excited.
 
Stove

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Went away on holidays for the last couple of weeks. No access to internet.

I come back to Rose, GSP, Dillashaw being champions.

Kind of blown away by how awesome that is.

Also, damn it Edgar. I want to see you as Champion again.
 
Chumley

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Woodley v Nate won't be boring but Nate is going to get utterly smashed
 
pixelation

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Woodley vs Nate?, noooo thanks. I can see Tyron just taking/keeping the fight on the ground all 5 rounds.
 

Riskbreaker

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Can people name the great fighters that have finished Nathan Diaz and done what Tyron Woodley is supposed to do?
I would not label Punk as such.
Nobody blankets Diaz's they are too dangerous from the ground.
I just. . .don't see this recipe for boringness that you guys are seeing.
Tyron doesn't throw jabs, no one blankets a Diaz, and no one subs a Diaz either.
This is just going to be someone getting lit up on the feet.
 
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Woodley vs Nate? That's a dangerous game for Nate imo. Woodley can't afford to stand with any Diaz bro since they're all about punches in bunches. Their weakness is wrestling though. I can see Woodley working the takedowns all night and possibly trying to GnP his way to a W.

The Diaz Bros are hittable so I can definitely see Woodley landing one shot and wobbling Nate and/or dropping Nate.
 
Chumley

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As I saw per Twitter, if Nate can't even stop Benson Henderson from taking him down he will get wrestlefucked by Tyron.
 
parrotbeak

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Riskbreaker said:
Can people name the great fighters that have finished Nathan Diaz and done what Tyron Woodley is supposed to do?
I would not label Punk as such.
Nobody blankets Diaz's they are too dangerous from the ground.
I just. . .don't see this recipe for boringness that you guys are seeing.
Tyron doesn't throw jabs, no one blankets a Diaz, and no one subs a Diaz either.
This is just going to be someone getting lit up on the feet.
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I agree. They'd both throw. I do see Tyron taking Diaz down if it goes to later rounds, but he's not going to blanket him. He'll throw and Diaz will get up in scramble. People are judging Tyron by his last 3 defenses against very specialized opponents.

I don't even know which Diaz we're talking about.
 
KefkaPalazzo

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Man, I really wanted Woodley-Colby...it wouldn't be a glamorous fight, but at least it wouldn't be completely one sided like a Nate fight would be. Woodley is too smart of a fighter to keep it on his feet if he knows he can dominate with his wrestling.
 
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Riskbreaker said:
Can people name the great fighters that have finished Nathan Diaz and done what Tyron Woodley is supposed to do?
I would not label Punk as such.
Nobody blankets Diaz's they are too dangerous from the ground.
I just. . .don't see this recipe for boringness that you guys are seeing.
Tyron doesn't throw jabs, no one blankets a Diaz, and no one subs a Diaz either.
This is just going to be someone getting lit up on the feet.
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The Diaz brothers aren't nearly so dangerous on the ground that people are afraid to take them there. I remember Benson and RDA handling Nate pretty easily.

There's potential for a Woodley/Diaz matchup to be a snoozefest, but I don't see why Woodley wouldn't be able to pound on Nate even worse than the aforementioned fighters did.
 
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